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* In the ''[[H.I.V.E. Series]]'' about a school of evil villains, villians like Dr Nero disprove of needless violence when it comes to being evil.
 
* In the ''[[H.I.V.E. Series]]'' about a school of evil villains, villiansvillains like Dr Nero disprove of needless violence when it comes to being evil.
* Tom Walker in Washington Irving's story ''The Devil and Tom Walker'' is pretty much lacking in redeeming qualities, but when he first makes his [[Deal with the Devil]] and the Devil proposes that he serve him through the slave trade, Tom immediately refuses, saying he won't have anything to do with that. He then eagerly accepts the Devil's second proposal, which is that he become a ruthless [[Loan Shark]] who ruins the lives of those around him. It's been suggested that this might have been meant satirically toward the stereotypical Northern businessman, who like Tom, was a greedy, unscrupulous miser, but abhorred slavery.
* The ''[[Belgariad|Mallorean]]'' has a deeply chilling example in the fourth book. Belgarion finds a prophecy written by Torak, the villain of the first series. It reveals exactly what Zandramas, the current [[Big Bad]], is planning (in essence, creating a new god of darkness). At the end, Torak has added a personal message to Belgarion... which says, in part, "If you're reading this, you've already destroyed me. What is foretold in these pages is an abomination. ''Do not let it come to pass.''" As Belgarath notes, Torak was stunned out of his madness long enough to feel revulsion at what he foresaw.
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*** Barratry, treason and [[But You Screw One Goat!|carnal knowledge of an animal]], actually.
* [[Terry Pratchett]] likes doing this in ''[[Discworld]]'', especially with his Assassins' Guild. Like Leon, they do not accept contracts to "inhume" [[Wouldn't Hit a Girl|women]] or [[Wouldn't Hurt a Child|children]], nor do they ''ever'' work for free, and they cannot accept contracts on someone who cannot defend himself (though "rich enough to hire bodyguards" qualifies as "capable of defending himself").
** In ''[[Discworld/Witches Abroad|Witches Abroad]]'' it's stated that Genua's branch of Assassins all left years ago because "some things sicken even jackals".
** In ''[[Discworld/Hogfather|Hogfather]]'' the head of the Ankh-Morpork branch is horrified by the excesses of [[Psychopathic Manchild]] Jonathan Teatime and frightened by his unpredictable actions. Teatime later hires a bunch of criminals who are also scared and repelled by him; they did kill people, but unlike Teatime, only when it was neccessary.
*** Fittingly for this trope, the scene that introduces Teatime notes that Lord Downey, leader of the Assassins Guild, does not have actual morals, but he ''does'' have standards. Teatime... doesn't.
** In ''[[Discworld/Guards! Guards!|Guards Guards]]'', the dragon is rather disturbed by Lupin Wonse's plan to use human psychology so that the citizens of Ankh-Morpork will begin to grow used to the idea of having to sacrifice young maidens to the dragon, and bluntly replies to Wonse that dragons "never burned and tortured and ripped one another apart and called it morality.":
{{quote|''You have the effrontery to be squeamish'', it thought at him. ''But we were dragons. We were supposed to be cruel, cunning, heartless, and terrible. But this much I can tell you, you ape'' – the great face pressed even closer, so that Wonse was staring into the pitiless depths of his eyes - ''we never burned and tortured and ripped one another apart and called it morality.''}}
*** That is to say that dragons ''did'' burn and torture and rip one another apart, they just [[At Least I Admit It|never called it a "good" thing]] or [[I Did What I Had to Do|try to excuse it.]]
** In ''[[Discworld/Going Postal (Discworld)|Going Postal]]'' this is part of Moist's reason for going against Gilt. Admittedly, Moist is more of a [[Loveable Rogue]] to Gilt's [[Corrupt Corporate Executive]].
*** Moist also abhors violence (not only the violence done to him, but doing any violence himself to try to prevent it being done to him, to the extent that he absolutely refuses to carry weapons of any kind) while Gilt has no qualms about having people brutally murdered right and left and employs a particularly terrifying killer to do it for him.
*** We also learn that Igors have a tradition (and rules about) making a break for it when The Marthter starts going off the deep end. You make sure the larder is full and everything is all tidy before you go, and it is, apparently, permissible (but not encouraged) to suggest that other, particularly likable servants might like to take a holiday in a different town right now. (Igors know that there's no percentage in being around when the pitchforks and torches come out.)
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*** Further to that, Vimes finds out in a later book that he's been taken off the register. Aside from being slightly disappointed at that at wondering if he can appeal, he reflects that the Assassins only take someone off the books if killing them would cause too much political chaos (Vetinari being the only other person they will not accept a contract on).
*** They seem to have found another use for him though, {{spoiler|as a training exercise for over-confident students}}.
** In ''[[Discworld/Carpe Jugulum|Carpe Jugulum]]'', the Magpyrs' Igor gets [[Beleaguered Assistant|increasingly fed up]] with not only their lack of respect for [[Good Old Ways|vampiric tradition]], but their condescending [[Social Darwinist]] attitude, complaining constantly that "the old marther" never went as far as the current bunch. This eventually drives him to [[Heel Face Turn|side with the witches]].
** There's also the Thieves' Guild, which takes a very hostile attitude towards unlicensed theft. The Guild also requires thieves to stamp a receipt for the "customer", so the same people aren't hit too often or for too much.
** In ''[[Discworld/The Fifth Elephant|The Fifth Elephant]],'' It's insinuated that even [[Rich Bitch|Serefine von Uberwald]] was horrified by some of the actions of her son [[Complete Monster|Wolfgang,]] which included {{spoiler|altering the family tradition of [[Hunting the Most Dangerous Game]] so that the human prey had no chance at survival}} and {{spoiler|murdering his infant sister because she wasn't able to change form like "proper" werewolves.}}
** ''[[Discworld/Thud|Thud!]]!'' has Chrysophrase of the troll mob, who doesn't deal in drugs. Well, not any more. And not the ''bad'' drugs, the kind that kill their users or cause them to become psychotic. Commander Vimes isn't impressed. Also during that book, one of his goons makes the mistake of making an indirect threat toward Vimes's family ("He knows where I live." "''Yeah'', he does."). Later, Chrysophrase says the threat was not on his orders, and the offending goon has been...dealt with, and incidentally would Vimes like a rockery for his garden?
** In ''[[Discworld/Eric|Eric]]'', Astfgl's attempts to run Hell like a corporation disgust even the other demons.
* In the [[James Bond]] book and movie ''On Her Majesty's Secret Service'', Marc-Ange Draco, head of the Unione Corse, the biggest European crime syndicate, is an okay guy because he doesn't traffic in drugs. Murder, extortion, protection rackets, female slavery, those are fine; but drugs? No. [[wikipedia:Union Corse#Involvement in the heroin trade|The real Unione Corse does deal in drugs.]]
* It's stated in ''[[Good Omens]]'' that even demons find certain actions unthinkable, including using holy water on another demon. Ironically, [[Noble Demon]] Crowley is the one who crosses that line, though it's done to save his hide more than anything else. Later on, Crowley rejects the idea of tormenting Hastur by playing the tape he's trapped on in his Bentley until he becomes a Queen song ([[It Makes Sense in Context]]) because even a demon can only sink so far.
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* In the [[Dale Brown]] novel ''Plan of Attack'', Russian Army General Nikolai Stepashin, who sees nothing wrong with sneak nuclear bombings on North America, is disgusted by president Gryzlov's nuking of a Russian airbase to take out American infiltrators and the man's refusal to check for Russian survivors. {{spoiler|This most likely contributes to his [[Redemption Equals Death]] later.}}
* In [[Andrew Vachss]]'s Burke book ''Strega'', both Mama Wong, implied to be with [[The Triads and the Tongs]], and some neo-Nazis express disapproval of child sex offenders. Burke himself, as well as his [[Badass Crew]], are Type V Antiheroes (IV if you try real hard) who all have no problems with [[Pay Evil Unto Evil]] and breaking any number of laws in the process. Sexual crimes are right out, though.
* ''[[Plunkett of Tammany Hall]]'' by William L. Riordan is a series of interviews on municipal politics supposedly given by George Plunkett. Plunkett distinguishes between "honest graft" and dishonest. "Honest" means it is supposedly all right to flag a contract to your cousin as long as it does in fact help the city. "Dishonest" means it does not follow that guidline.
* In ''[[Rainbow Six (novel)|Rainbow Six]]'', [[The Dragon]] Dmitriy Popov is a [[Renegade Russian]] former KGB intelligence offer who abets three terrorist attacks, including {{spoiler|an attack on the wives of Clark and Ding}}, commits two murders of his own during the story's length and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|has no qualms about stealing]]. Finding out the truth of the [[Big Bad]]'s plan horrifies him enough that {{spoiler|he tells on it to Clark and the FBI}}.
** To a lesser extent: Clark and Ding are hardened special forces badasses. Clark in particular once, in another book in the series, went on a [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge]] where he carried out creatively vicious kills and [[Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique]]. Nevertheless, they consider the [[Curb Stomp Battle]] against the ecos so one-sided it's pure murder.
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* [[Flashman]] is, and admits he is, evil in many ways...but even he has lines he will not willingly cross.
** "A scoundrel I may be, but I ain't an assassin, and you will comb my memoirs in vain for a mention of Flashy as First Murderer." (Flashman's response to a clear hint that, if all else fails to turn him aside, Flashman is to bump off {{spoiler|John Brown}}. Later, he says nearly the same thing about a proposal to have him do in {{spoiler|Emperor Theodore of Abyssinia.}})
** While he is a self serving racist that is fine with slavery in principle and wanted to avoid dealing with it only because of how illegal and risky it was, even he was repulsed by the conditions slaves were put in when loading them into the ship and wanted to let them go out of benevolence.
* The narrator in ''The Tell-Tale Heart'' when he refuses to kill the old man until he is awake "for it was not the old man who vexed me but his Evil Eye." (though granted his standards are insane.)
* ''[[The Wheel of Time]]. Granted, it's not a ''[[Pragmatic Villainy|moral]]'' standard...''
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* In the novelization of ''[[Demolition Man]]'' [[Ax Crazy|Simon Phoenix]] is shocked that Cocteau had Associate Bob ''castrated'' to curb Bob's ambition. Phoenix is a murderous bastard, but taking a guy's balls just isn't right!
* Taken [[Up to Eleven]] in ''[[Rumo and His Miraculous Adventures]]'': The [[Cyclops|Demonocles]] positively thrive on [[The Sound of Screaming]], prefer to eat prey alive, and will beat their friends to death [[For the Evulz|over nothing]] and then [[Why Did You Make Me Hit You?|blame them for it]]. {{spoiler|Break [[Bizarre Alien Biology|the intricate bony structure in a Demonocle's huge, complex tongue]]...and not only have you effectively crippled him, but you've demoralized any other Demonocles who witnessed the sight.}} [[Hypocritical Humor|How could any living creature do anything so cruel to another]]?
* Even at his worst, [[Artemis Fowl]] II won't stand for [[Green Aesop|mistreatment of the environment, with the exception of a certain endangered animal]]. He also won't kill people. Lemurs, maybe, but not people. When Holly compares Artemis to the villain Jon Spiro, Artemis uses this fact as his defense.
* In ''[[Garrett P.I.|Gilded Latten Bones]]'', Garrett ponders this trope when he asks Sarge and Puddle, two of assassin-for-hire Morley Dotes's criminal associates, about the doings of TunFaire's resurrection men, and both are repulsed by the notion of stealing dead bodies for necromantic research.
* In ''[[Warrior Cats]]'', there is one villain called Mapleshade who is so screwed up all the other villains are scared of her.
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{{quote|Don't worry, I don't harm family.}}
** In ''Darke'', Linda decides to invoke [[You Said You Would Let Them Go]] on a pair of lovebirds after holding one hostage to make the other bring Jenna to her. The Witch Mother stops her because a witch must keep her Darke bargains, and Linda seems to be forgetting the Rules.
* In ''[[The Hunger Games]],'' residents of the Capitol have no problem with watching children as young as twelve murder each other for entertainment. {{spoiler|But when Peeta "reveals" that Katniss is pregnant, they go ballistic.}}
* Whilst it is difficult to codify "evil" in a series with [[Grey and Gray Morality]], a lot characters from ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]'' fit this trope, though it is frequently not a ''moral'' standard:
** Lord Tywin Lannister of Casterly Rock will not shy away from monstrous acts, but [[Pragmatic Villain|he would prefer that they were done ''efficiently'']] - his reaction upon seeing the corpse of Princess Rhaenys was to ask her killer why it took fifty sword thrusts to kill her when he could have simply smothered her. He also won’t kill people who surrender to him; doing so would set a precedent for others not to surrender to him regardless of the odds, which could have serious consequences. This still makes him less evil than Joffrey Baratheon, who doesn’t care whether people surrender to him or not.
** Lord Roose Bolton of Dreadfort is the same - he is a horrific villain, but a [[Pragmatic Villainy|pragmatic one.]]
** The Guild of the Faceless Men will only kill their targets, not bystanders or even bodyguards.
** The Ironborn hate slavery, although they have a very flimsy definition of it. Indentured servitude and forced prostitution: totally okay for them, but ''buying and selling people''? NEVER!
** Ser Jaime Lannister is a pretty nasty fellow, at least in the early part of the series, a pretty nasty fellow, but he was still known for this trope enough that the Starks ruled him out of the attempted assassination of Jon Arryn because it was felt Ser Jaime would look down on the use of poison. He is also disgusted by Gregor Clegane's wanton sadism and the Red Wedding.
** {{spoiler|Ser}} Bronn {{spoiler|of the Blackwater}} ''would'' hurt a child. He'd want a decent price for it, though.
*** He is also disgusted by Gregor Clegane's wanton sadism and the Red Wedding.
* In ''[[Vorkosigan Saga]]'', one of the main industries of Jackson's Hole is making clone-slaves; including clones that allow rich men to achieve immortality by transplanting their brains and throwing away the old one, thus killing it's personality. ''Nearly everyone'' outlaws that. Of course on Jackson's Whole there isn't any law.
** {{spoiler|Ser}} Bronn {{spoiler|of the Blackwater}} ''would'' hurt a child. He'd want a decent price for it, though.
**Aside from [[White Sheep|Tej and Ameri]] it is hard to see much good about the Arqua family other than being an archetype of [[Even Evil Has Loved Ones]]. At the same time, for Jacksonians it is hard to see much bad about them at least by the time of ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance''. The eldest was a record keeper for war crimes in the invasion of Barrayar but not a direct participant. The eldest male was once a pirate but is now mostly retired from that and involved mainly in brokering various types of honest and semi-honest businesses. If you push the Arquas to far you might end up rotting in a back ally of course but for a Jacksonian Great House that is almost angelic.
* In [[Vorkosigan Saga]] one of the main industries of Jackson's Hole is making clone-slaves; including clones that allow rich men to achieve immortality by transplanting their brains and throwing away the old one, thus killing it's personality. ''Nearly everyone'' outlaws that. Of course on Jackson's Whole there isn't any law.
* In [[Belisarius Series]] Narses practically lives this trope. He betrayed Empress Theodora who was practically his adopted daughter. But when told to assassinate the family of a Rajput chief, he refuses and almost becomes a hero.
**Ajutasutra, Narses' favorite assassin has an utter hatred of pimps. When told to buy the missing daughters of an Imperial councilor of an enemy nation as a scheme to ensure that Narses has eggs in more then one basket, Ajutasutra agrees. He buys them from the brothel-keeper who owned them previously, treats them kindly and settles them in a safehouse while sending a covert letter to the father through no mans land. After assuring the girls safety he turns back and does a job of his own. Thus in the letter there is not only a message that the daughters were safe but as a bonus favor the [[Pay Evil Unto Evil|hands]] of the previous owner.
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{{quote|Troi : "You're not a rapist. A thief, yes. A killer as needed. But not a rapist."}}
 
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