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Sometimes, it's easy to ignore music from the favorite artist of a fandom that they perceive end up sucking. If this happens to an entire genre of music, it becomes a [[Dead Horse Music Genre]].
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== Canon Discontinuity ==
* The [[Bee Gees]]' "First" LP was actually their fourth - they released two prior albums as a local Australian act, "The Bee Gees Sing and Play 14 Barry Gibb Songs" and "Spicks & Specks." (They also recorded a wealth of material for a third LP, of which an acetate was pressed, but the disc was never released - at least, until all but two of its tracks appeared on an unauthorized German compilation, "Inception/Nostalgia.")
** Likewise, the group universally ignores their 1981 album "Living Eyes." Due to legal issues surrounding the band at the time, as well as the huge backlash brought on by the end of disco, the album slipped quietly in and out of the marketplace without any attention whatsoever. Ironically, it was the first rock album to appear on CD - but its initial pressing would be its only CD edition.
* [[Kraftwerk]] is insistent that their catalog begins with "Autobahn" - completely ignoring "Tone Float" (released under the band name Organisation, but later amended to Kraftwerk for an unauthorized CD release), "Kraftwerk", "Kraftwerk 2", and "Ralf und Florian." None of these albums have seen an official CD release, despite "Kraftwerk" containing the well-known track 'Ruckzuck.'
* [[Brooks and Dunn]] pretty much disowned their 1999 album ''Tight Rope'', their last album with original producer Don Cook. Most critics thought the album was phoned in and tired sounding; it was also their lowest-selling and did not produce any big hits. Launching it with a tepid cover of John Waite's "Missing You" (an obvious attempt to try and re-make their wildly successful cover of B.W. Stevenson's "My Maria" in 1996) didn't help. Most fans skip straight from ''If You See Her'' to ''Steers & Stripes''.
* After "Slow Motion Daydream", [[Everclear]] released a Greatest Hits album and then evaporated into the ether.
* Gogol Bordello seem to have disowned their first two albums, Voi-La Intruder and Multi Kontra Culti Vs. Irony because they hadn't really "found their sound" until Gypsy Punks (album number three). Which is too bad, 'cause those first two albums are still pretty good.
* In a case of [[Canon Discontinuity]] [[Creator Backlash|by the artist himself]], Noel Gallagher tries to forget [[Oasis]]' third album, ''Be Here Now'', which he describes as "a bunch of guys, on coke, in the studio, not giving a fuck." Even if reviewers consider that, beyond the overblown production, there are standout tracks.
** Liam, on the other hand, likes it. The fans are [[Broken Base|split down the middle]] not only with regard to BHN but with every one of their albums except the first two. When a survey was done asking 100 fans which twenty songs should appear on the "best of" compilation album, there were ''no songs'' (even obvious choices) that featured on everyone's list. No songs from ''Be Here Now'' appeared on ''Stop the Clocks'' (the aforementioned "best of" collection) anyway. Not even "Don't Go Away", the one song on the album that was universally praised by critics. (Noel considered including "'D'You Know What I Mean", but felt [[Epic Rocking|its length]] ruined the pacing)
** And now that the band is over, [[The Band Minus the Face|Beady Eye]] tries to forget its existence, not playing any Oasis material in concerts (unlike Noel).
* [[Autechre]] seems to have forgotten that its first release was a generic oldskool hardcore single from 1991, ''Cavity Job'', and not its first foray into [[IDM]], "The Egg" (released on the seminal 1992 Warp compilation ''Artificial Intelligence'').
** Similarly many fans of Warp Records would rather forget that it ever released straightforward [[Techno]] in its earliest years rather than IDM, or that it now focuses on more commercially-accessible indie rock.
* Irish band Altar of Plagues stated in an interview that they disregard the first EP they recorded, the "First Plague" EP. Indeed, if one goes to their [[Myspace]] page, only their debut album and the other three [[E Ps]] they recorded are listed.
== Fanon Discontinuity ==
* From [[Pearl Jam]]'s ''Vitalogy'': Most people stop the album after "Immortality", ignoring "Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me".
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* About the only two [[Dream Theater]] albums that all fans agree exist are ''Images and Words'' and ''Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From a Memory''. ''Images and Words'' is considered their defining album and ''Scenes From a Memory'' is considered their masterpiece, but their other albums all draw large numbers of people trying to ignore them. ''Train of Thought'', ''Octavarium'', and ''Systematic Chaos'' are considered too heavy, ''When Dream and Day Unite'' sounds too much like it came out of the '80s (it was released in 1989) and they have a different singer (ironically, the current singer is considered the weakest member of the band and is often [[The Scrappy]] or the [[My Friends and Zoidberg]]), ''Awake'' is considered unable to live up to its predecessor, ''Images and Words'', ''Falling into Infinity'' is too mainstream sounding, ''Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence'' is generally well received, though it has just one song that stands out ("The Glass Prison") and the title track, for a 42 minute long song, isn't as epic as expected, leaving some fans a little disappointed. Their most recent album, ''Black Clouds and Silver Linings'' has been well received, but the sheer amount of [[Narm]] in "The Count of Tuscany" and "A Nightmare to Remember" (along with Portnoy's rendition of a death metal growl that needs a little work) leads some fans to disown that album as well. Not all fans dismiss all albums but the two mentioned above, which makes it even more difficult to know what songs to avoid mentioning out of fear of flame wars. And to make it even more complicated, not all songs on all their albums have similar sounds, so it's even possible for certain songs to be disowned while the album in general is liked. Things can get a little messy there.
** Many old-school metalheads will tell you that their only albums were ''When Dream and Day Unite'', ''Images and Words'', and ''Awake''. Sometimes ''Scenes from a Memory'' is included, but they'll still tell you they've never heard of anyone named Jordan Rudess.
* Many [[Green Day]] fans would like to pretend ''[[Twenty First21st Century Breakdown (music)|21st Century Breakdown]]'' doesn't exist. The previous album ''[[American Idiot]]'' [[Broken Base|splits the base]], and others will tell you that Green Day ceased to exist after ''Dookie''.
* If you ask a Celtic Frost fan about Cold Lake, they will either punch you in the face and tell you to shut up, or give you a strange look and agree that, yes, most lakes are indeed cold.
* Remember when [[Gamma Ray]] put out an album called ''Sigh No More''? No? Me neither. Some fans extend this to Ralf Scheepers' whole tenure and pretend they debuted with ''[[Crowning Music of Awesome|Land of the Free]]''.
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** Some of us found Owens voice obnoxious but respected the musicianship of the rest of the band and are actually excited.
** This is known as the Chiodos principal. While its agreed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aNUgUvlRs&feature=related This] is better than [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvEzJpKg4ko&feature=related This], It still pales in comparison to [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUTXPaE7qM This]
== Negative Continuity ==
== UNSORTED ==
[[Category:Examples Need Sorting]]
 
* Less dedicated fans of [[Queen]] would probably pretend ''Hot Space'' didn't exist, if it weren't for the fact that it contains "Under Pressure," one of the band's biggest hits.
** It's worth mentioning that [[David Bowie]] was meant to guest star on all the songs, not just that one, but he, well, hated them. And this was right before ''his'' [[Canon Discontinuity]].
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* [[Daft Punk]] have released from one to four albums depending on who you talk to. To elaborate: their first album was the French house-style ''Homework''. Their second album, however, was the electropop ''Discovery'', causing some of their house fans to disown them. The pro forma third album, ''Human After All'', is the one most often discarded for sounding rushed, repetitive and incomplete. Whether or not the live album ''Alive 2007'' counts depends on how you view the first three (though review website Pitchfork admitted that ''Alive 2007'' did help to validate the existence of ''Human After All'').
** This does not count the first live album, ''Alive 1997'', which consists of songs from ''Homework''.
* The popular-within-their-own-country band [[The Tragically Hip]] has a long discography (12 studio albums and counting...) that chronicles the evolution of and changes to their sound over the years. Many fans have gotten on and off the bandwagon along the way. For instance, there are some who prefer the grittier sounds of their first three albums, though most fans would have to include their hit-filled fourth album''Fully Completely'' among the canon (sometimes even to the extent of discounting everything else). After that it gets a little blurry. The next two or three albums get softer but still pack in the hits. Some fans draw the line of continuity after ''Phantom Power'' (1998) or ''In Between Evolution'' (2004). With most of band starting to release solo work/side projects around those points, it starts becoming personal preference as to what is and is not canon.
 
* Which of [[Led Zeppelin]]'s works can safely be considered canon? Some fans don't even give them all of LZ I-IV. The safest ground for a fanon would be those four albums and the two that followed them, effectively (fittingly?) ending with "Achilles Last Stand" from 1976's ''Presence''. The albums, reunion shows, and ''Coda''s released afterwards, however....
* There's some argument about when [[Barenaked Ladies]] broke up. Some say it was after ''Stunt'', some say after ''Maroon'', but almost nobody believes they stayed together after ''Everything To Everyone''—the release of multiple albums after that notwithstanding.
* [[Talking Heads]], 70s and 80s New Wave group, went through a couple of potentially alienating style changes . Some diehard fans prefer their initial CBGB era sound and refuse to acknowledge the band making it big (selling out?) and chumming around with experimental music producer Brian Eno. By far the larger and more generous fandom appreciated the band and its line-up expansion, as this is the era of their greatest successes like ''Remain in Light'' and the ''Stop Making Sense'' movie. But the albums that followed are more controversial, and the last two are mostly forgettable save for a few songs. It's worth noting that band tension and solo-career embarking had begun even as they reached the pinnacle of their success together at the beginning of the eighties.
 
* According to several fans, [[Muse]]'s fifth album ''The Resistance'' was just a great big self-parody album and that the boys will stop taking the piss and go back to making proper music soon enough. Particularly noteworthy when Muse, until that album, had changed their style between every album without alienating many of their older fans. In fact, ''The Resistance'' is an odd one out as it could be regarded as the most predictable, suggesting that a fair few fans dislike it for reasons contrary to what usually fuels dis-continuity. Still, at least a huge quantity of the fanbase is united in their agreement that Muse have never ever had anything to do with the Twighlight films, and that they ''certainly'' never created the song "Neutron Star Collision", despite some silly rumours to the contrary.
* When I was but a little troper, my mother would sing me a version of ''Puff The Magic Dragon'' that contained a final verse she herself made up, wherein little Jackie Paper's son goes on and becomes Puff's new friend after his dad grows up (with the implication that Puff will always be a friend of the Paper family). Despite all the [[Downer Ending]] evidence to the contrary, I will argue to the grave that this is how the song actually ends.
** Muse themselves disowned any of the music they wrote before work started on ''Showbiz'' and have expressed embarrassment when recalling the gigs they played during their very early teenage years when they just wanted to be Nirvana. The fanbase being what it is, you can find loads of scraps of ancient demos and live videos floating around youtube thanks to a few scavengers with internet connections. They also wish they'd never made the first video for their single Uno, although the second, less embarrassing video seems to be more dis-continuity since the frontman never seems seem to remember it was ever made.
** Our mothers are in on it: Peter Yarrow (the first of Peter, Paul, and Mary) recently made a book out of Puff the Magic Dragon, where the last page features Jackie Paper, a grown man, watching from behind a tree as his daughter runs to meet Puff. Coincidentally, that was ''exactly'' how my mother described it, too!
* [[The Doors]] never released two albums without Jim Morrison titled ''Other Voices'' and ''Full Circle''. Even the band themselves won't own up to this.
** Either your mother and my mother are in cahoots, or someone actually recorded a version of the song that ends that way. There's a children's book based off it that ends with Jackie Paper's kid visiting Puff, too. Apparently that [[Downer Ending]] isn't too popular.
*** There is an official version of the song with an extra verse in which Jackie's daughter befriends Puff. If anything, it makes it more of a [[Tear Jerker]].
** The version I had on cassette didn't have the final verse and ended on a repeating chorus after "/he ceased his fearless roar." After hearing some of the other versions though, I still think the version I recall from childhood to be the best, possibly because it seems so sad. All a matter of perspective I suppose.
 
 
 
* To the Chinese Cultural Department, [[Guns N' Roses]] [[Banned in China|never released Chinese Democracy]].
** Many fans not situated in China would like to take a similar stance, holding that nothing was released following the ''Use Your Illusion'' albums. (And nothing ''was'' released after 1994 until 2008, except for the one-off song "Oh My God", yet another unpopular song.)
** Basically when Slash left the group, the band ceased to be.
* [[Radiohead]]'s first album ''Pablo Honey'' is ignored not only by most fans, but also by the band. It's been aeons since the last time they played a song from it.
** And the one song ("Creep") they used to play all the time dropped off the setlist for about five years because fans used to come for the song and then leave. Apparently, they've softened up and play it once every couple dozen gigs now.
* Another [[Creator Backlash|disowned]] debut: [[The Prodigy]]'s ''Experience''. Since their second album came out and Oldskool Rave went out of fashion, Prodigy fans would deny there was ever a time when Howlett's music was bright, humorous and cartoony.
** Similarly some fans would rather forget about their 2004 album ''Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned''; and The Prodigy themselves have disowned the 2002 non-album single "Baby's Got a Temper".
 
* In the late '90s, [[Garth Brooks]] recorded a CD in the role of Chris Gaines, the central character of his planned movie, ''The Lamb''. Sales were disappointing (by Brooks' standards; it still went double platinum), the reception was lukewarm, the movie was eventually canceled, and the whole Gaines project forgotten by just about everybody. Never mind that it produced his only top 40 pop hit.
** Garth's sales were starting to decline as early as 1995, with the generally panned ''Fresh Horses'' which failed to produce a hit on the magnitude of "The Dance" or "Friends in Low Places". ''Sevens'' was also lukewarm, but at least had a huge hit in "Two Piña Coladas".
 
* The first two [[Music/Japan|Japan]] albums, which, depending on who you ask 'are awful should never have been released', 'have good moments' or are 'the most entertaining things the band did'. Their first album 'Adolescent Sex' is considered to be sobaditsgood on the basis that most of the lyrics are 'dancing' and 'babe', a stark contrast with their later work such as Ghosts. Their second 'Obscure Alternatives' is a transitional album and doesn't flow properly despite this. Deliberately structured for the first side to represent 'rock songs' and the second to be 'experimental', it's considered to showcase the two sides of the band a bit too blatantly.
* Most fans of The Cars disown the New Cars period with Todd Rundgren singing. Especially after the original lineup, minus late bassist Ben Orr, reunited, toured and recorded the reunion album ''Move Like This''.
 
* Subverted with [[Tori Amos]]' fanbase. Instead of refusing to acknowledge the albums that they hate, Toriphiles will bash them. (With the possible exception of ''Y Kant Tori Read'', given that it's pretty much [[Canon Discontinuity]].) Although it seems to be played straight with ''Strange Little Girls'', her covers album, even with Tori herself. On her 2009 tour, she only performed material from this album ''twice''.
** On her very brief 2010 tour, one SLG song made the setlists twice. With only about a dozen shows and 11 albums, many b-sides, side projects, and other material to choose from, it's not that bad a representation. SLG songs were very plentiful in 2007, even songs that had not been done in years. 2003 and 2005 tours were not completely bereft of SLG songs either.
* Ask a [[Bon Jovi]] fan about Alec John Such. [[Nobody Loves the Bassist|See if they know.]]
* The first two [[Music/Japan|Japan]] albums, which, depending on who you ask 'are awful should never have been released', 'have good moments' or are 'the most entertaining things the band did'. Their first album 'Adolescent Sex' is considered to be sobaditsgood on the basis that most of the lyrics are 'dancing' and 'babe', a stark contrast with their later work such as Ghosts. Their second 'Obscure Alternatives' is a transitional album and doesn't flow properly despite this. Deliberately structured for the first side to represent 'rock songs' and the second to be 'experimental', it's considered to showcase the two sides of the band a bit too blatantly.
* Following the release of ''Spiritual Machines'' in 2001, Raine Maida of Our Lady Peace went into a coma and the rest of the band refused to go on without him. Since then, some other band calling itself OLP released a couple of albums, but fans of ''Clumsy'' and ''Happiness Is Not A Fish That You Can Catch'' are still waiting for Raine to wake up.
* Most fans of The Cars disown the New Cars period with Todd Rundgren singing. Especially after the original lineup, minus late bassist Ben Orr, reunited, toured and recorded the reunion album ''Move Like This''.
** Slight correction: Guitarist Mike "emtee" Turner left and producer Arnold Lanni got fired (keyboardist Jamie Edwards also left, but he was always in the background). While the latter two could arguably be forgotten, fans are waiting for emtee to come back from producing and reform the band. This OLP thing is [[Take That|Raine Maida's solo project.]]
* There's some argument about when [[Barenaked Ladies]] broke up. Some say it was after ''Stunt'', some say after ''Maroon'', but almost nobody believes they stayed together after ''Everything To Everyone''—the release of multiple albums after that notwithstanding.
*** Of course, by the same token, there is now an equal-sized (if not larger) fanbase that thinks the band debuted in 2002 with Gravity. [[Broken Base|It's more than]] [[Incredibly Lame Pun|this troper can bear...]]
* In the late '90s, [[Garth Brooks]] recorded a CD in the role of Chris Gaines, the central character of his planned movie, ''The Lamb''. Sales were disappointing (by Brooks' standards; it still went double platinum), the reception was lukewarm, the movie was eventually canceled, and the whole Gaines project forgotten by just about everybody. Never mind that it produced his only top 40 pop hit.
 
** Garth's sales were starting to decline as early as 1995, with the generally panned ''Fresh Horses'' which failed to produce a hit on the magnitude of "The Dance" or "Friends in Low Places". ''Sevens'' was also lukewarm, but at least had a huge hit in "Two Piña Coladas".
* Captain Beefheart's two mid-70s albums 'Unconditionally Guaranteed' and 'Bluejeans And Moonbeams' feature the avant-garde singer attempting syrupy love songs and standard blues-rock songs. Whilst they aren't really that bad, many fans completely omit them from the canon because they were so atypical of his usual style, as well as the fact that the first of the two albums caused the breakup of the 'classic' lineup of the band, and the second was recorded with session musicians. He disowned the albums later on, even saying people should take them back to the store and get their money refunded. Despite this, the albums were remastered a few years ago.
 
 
 
 
* The popular-within-their-own-country band [[The Tragically Hip]] has a long discography (12 studio albums and counting...) that chronicles the evolution of and changes to their sound over the years. Many fans have gotten on and off the bandwagon along the way. For instance, there are some who prefer the grittier sounds of their first three albums, though most fans would have to include their hit-filled fourth album''Fully Completely'' among the canon (sometimes even to the extent of discounting everything else). After that it gets a little blurry. The next two or three albums get softer but still pack in the hits. Some fans draw the line of continuity after ''Phantom Power'' (1998) or ''In Between Evolution'' (2004). With most of band starting to release solo work/side projects around those points, it starts becoming personal preference as to what is and is not canon.
* Which of [[Led Zeppelin]]'s works can safely be considered canon? Some fans don't even give them all of LZ I-IV. The safest ground for a fanon would be those four albums and the two that followed them, effectively (fittingly?) ending with "Achilles Last Stand" from 1976's ''Presence''. The albums, reunion shows, and ''Coda''s released afterwards, however....
* [[Talking Heads]], 70s and 80s New Wave group, went through a couple of potentially alienating style changes . Some diehard fans prefer their initial CBGB era sound and refuse to acknowledge the band making it big (selling out?) and chumming around with experimental music producer Brian Eno. By far the larger and more generous fandom appreciated the band and its line-up expansion, as this is the era of their greatest successes like ''Remain in Light'' and the ''Stop Making Sense'' movie. But the albums that followed are more controversial, and the last two are mostly forgettable save for a few songs. It's worth noting that band tension and solo-career embarking had begun even as they reached the pinnacle of their success together at the beginning of the eighties.
* According to several fans, [[Muse]]'s fifth album ''The Resistance'' was just a great big self-parody album and that the boys will stop taking the piss and go back to making proper music soon enough. Particularly noteworthy when Muse, until that album, had changed their style between every album without alienating many of their older fans. In fact, ''The Resistance'' is an odd one out as it could be regarded as the most predictable, suggesting that a fair few fans dislike it for reasons contrary to what usually fuels dis-continuity. Still, at least a huge quantity of the fanbase is united in their agreement that Muse have never ever had anything to do with the Twighlight films, and that they ''certainly'' never created the song "Neutron Star Collision", despite some silly rumours to the contrary.
** Muse themselves disowned any of the music they wrote before work started on ''Showbiz'' and have expressed embarrassment when recalling the gigs they played during their very early teenage years when they just wanted to be Nirvana. The fanbase being what it is, you can find loads of scraps of ancient demos and live videos floating around youtube thanks to a few scavengers with internet connections. They also wish they'd never made the first video for their single Uno, although the second, less embarrassing video seems to be more dis-continuity since the frontman never seems seem to remember it was ever made.
 
* [[The Doors]] never released two albums without Jim Morrison titled ''Other Voices'' and ''Full Circle''. Even the band themselves won't own up to this.
 
 
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