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In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
|'''[[William Shakespeare]]''', ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]''}}
{{quote|It is rare to find a country where the people are not at daggers drawn with the aristocracy, or the nobles not divided among themselves...The inhabitants of two different localities will usually be on bad terms. Their hostility derives from disputes over water, woodland, or pasture. Each village wishes to expand its borders at the expense of another.|Quoted from an eighteenth century [[Badass Spaniard|Spanish]] [[Four-Star Badass|General]] in ''Military Experience in the Age of Reason'' by Christopher Duffy }}
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In a [[Fur Against Fang]] setting, may result in a [[Vampire-Werewolf Love Triangle]]. See also [[Dueling Dojos]] and [[Small Town Rivalry]].
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== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* In ''[[Ghost Hound]]'', the main and branch family, Komori and Ogami respectively, are at odds with one another, silently feuding despite two different generations trying to bring them together. Makoto and Tarou eventually overcome this.
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== [[Film]] ==
* [[Buster Keaton]]'s silent comedy ''[[Our Hospitality]]'' centers on one of these that parodies the Hatfields and McCoys.
* In [[Elton John]]'s ''[[Gnomeo and Juliet]]'', The Red gnomes and the Blue gnomes.
* In ''
== [[Literature]] ==
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* Grangerfords vs. Shepherdsons from ''[[Adventures of Huckleberry Finn]]''. It ''was'' pretty funny until {{spoiler|Buck died}}.
* In ''[[The Dark Elf Trilogy]]'' a feud between the Do'Urdens and Hun'etts leads to the downfall of both houses in the end.
** In the general Realmslore, the dark elves has theocracy [[Enforced Cold War]]: nobles must either limit their hostilities, or will be forced into an open conflict before they can pull others into it, with laws ensuring that one side will be ''completely'' wiped out. This may have something to do with some of their early settlements being destroyed by infighting, so thoroughly that the greatest of these places [[Fantastic Nuke|came to be known as "the Great Rift"]].
* The Montanas and Petrocchis in [[Diana Wynne Jones]]' ''[[Chrestomanci|The Magicians of Caprona]]''.
* Venezuelan novel ''Doña Bárbara'' averts this. While in the backstory is mentioned the long rivalry of the Luzardo with the Barquero. the protagonist, Santos Luzardo (a character so perfect he almost is a [[Mary Sue]]) ends the feud with Lorenzo Barquero, both of them the last of their family.
* ''[[Dune]]''. In fact, feuding families are so prevalent in the ''[[Dune]]'' universe that it has evolved into an art form. There's "Kanly," which is one-on-one combat, and the all-out War of Assassins, which is just what it sounds like. The rules are codified in the Great Convention, which sets out exactly who are the acceptable targets and what weapons or poisons are permitted. Noble families in the ''[[Dune]]'' universe accept the fact that you can be knifed in the back at any time as just another hazard of the job.
* ''[[Discworld]]'':
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* The Starks and Lannisters in ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]''. The only reason they are civil to each other is because Ned Stark's best friend Robert Baratheon married into the Lannister family. {{spoiler|But once Robert dies (and it's strongly hinted at the his wife Cersei killed him), all bets are off and the Lannisters utterly devastate the Starks, though not without suffering some losses themselves.}} It's worth noting that Martin based this feud lightly on the [[Wars of the Roses]].
* In the [[Star Trek Expanded Universe]]:
** In the novel ''Imzadi'', two planets have been
** In the ''[[Star Trek: New Frontier]]'' novel "Martyr," the Unglza and Eenza tribes of the planet Zondar had been at war for over 500 years, and Calhoun's arrival was predicted to usher in peace. Then in "Cold Wars" in the ''Gateways'' series, the Aerons and Markanians had been separated warring for the "sacred world" of Sinqay, with the Gateways recently renewing their hostilities, until the ''Excalibur'' and ''Trident'' actually return them to their "sacred world," {{spoiler|now an uninhabitable black rock}}. [[Does This Remind You of Anything?]], [[What Do You Mean Its Not Symbolic|Israel and Palestine?]]
** Q-in-Law featured a pair on massive space ships, literally making Enterprise the man in the middle, trying to provide neutral ground for the intermarriage. Since Q is around, it definitely does not go as planned. A case of [[Hilarity Ensues]] done well.
** So to recap, Peter David really likes
* One of the ''[[Nightside]]'' books involves a Romeo and Juliet type situation where the couple persuade their families to call a truce and get married, only to both be murdered at the wedding dinner.
* ''[[Kushiel's Legacy]]'' has a gradually building example of this. In ''Kushiel's Scion'' {{spoiler|one of Imriel's reasons for sitting on the information that cousin Bernadette de Trevalion tried to have him killed is to try to end the [[Cycle of Revenge]]; his mother was responsible for the disgrace of her and her husband's families}}.
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** In one of the books, two feuding families have been going at it for generations. One side even cursed the other so that female children are sometimes born as mermaids who cannot conceive. This all comes to a crashing halt when one side gets ahold of Farslayer, a sword which does exactly what it sounds like it should do. Most of the two sides are wiped out in one night.
** To clarify: Farslayer is a magical sword, which can fly towards any target the weilder uses and [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|slay it, no matter how far away.]] The catch is, one Farslayer hits the target, it stays there. Where it is free for the target's kinsmen to pick it up and retaliate. Rinse and repeat until there's no one left to aim at.
* In the backstory of the [[RCN Series]] there is a feud between the Learys' and the Mundys'. This sets up a [[Star Crossed Lover|Star Crossed Friendship]] between Daniel Leary and Adele Mundy.
== [[Live Action TV]] ==
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* ''[[Justified (TV series)|Justified]]'':
** The Bennet-Givens feud which started during Prohibition when a Bennet thought a Givens had sold him out to the cops and killed him in revenge. Almost a century later there are suspiciously few Bennets and Givens left in Harlan County. The women of the two families had kept a truce going for the last fifteen years since Rylan Givens and Dickie Bennet got into a fight during a baseball game and Dickie ended up limping for the rest of his life. After {{spoiler|Raylan kills Coover Bennet}} the feud starts heating up again and it culminates with {{spoiler|the deaths of Aunt Halen, Doyle Bennet and Mags Bennet}}. It remains to be seen whether {{spoiler|Dickie Bennet}} will be able to come back and try to finish it.
** Season two also had a Crowder-Bennet feud start up when Dickie Bennet threatened Boyd Crowder and Boyd robbed Dickie's dope deal to send a message as to who is in charge of crime in the area. The Crowders make short work of a Bennet attempt at retaliation.
* ''[[Coronation Street]]'' has this as a stock plot, and for some reason it seems to keep happening to the Platts. First there was feud with the Windasses which ended when David got Gary sent to prison. Currently there seems to be a feud between the Barlow's and the Platt's which started when Tracy Barlow lied to incriminate Gail for murder, while she was serving time herself and trying to cut a deal. It continued when Deirdre tried to steal Audrey's(Gail mum) boyfriend, only to have him turn around and steal four grand from her stepson Peter's business. With it recently being revealed that Gail's son Nick was having an affair with Peter's wife this feud looks to be continuing for quite a while yet.
* The Starks and Lannisters in [[Game of Thrones]]. As of the end of season one, they are {{spoiler|at war.}}
* ''[[CSI: NY]]'' had a first season episode with feuding circus families that led to a suicide pact.
* ''The'' blood feud of American history - [[Hatfields
* An early episode of ''[[Star Trek Deep Space Nine]]'' featured a set of these whose feud had been going on for so long and caused so much collateral damage that their government banished them to a barely-habitable rock many light-years from their home, and for good measure they pumped the planet's atmosphere with nanites designed to give the belligerents [[Resurrective Immortality]] but kill them if they ever left the planet. This was several hundred years before Captain Sisko and some of his officers crash-landed there, and they were still at it despite the fact that ''nobody even remembered what started the whole thing in the first place''; it was still grinding on largely because that was what they'd always done. {{Spoiler|Sisko's desperate attempt to talk some sense into the leaders of both factions fall on deaf ears, and in the end he patches up the runabout and leaves the planet before Dr Bashir can do anything about the nanites because they deserve each other.}}
== [[
* ''[[Warhammer 40,000]]'' setting often involves this as a part of the whole [[Feudal Future]] faction setup - naturally, this usually appears in [[Warhammer 40,000 Roleplay|RPG]] parts.
* [[Real Life]] example: The [[wikipedia:Hatfield-McCoy feud|Hatfield and McCoy]] feud. It was the inspiration for the [[Lucky Luke]] album ''The Rivals of Painful Gulch''.▼
** ''[[Dark Heresy]]'' and ''[[Rogue Trader]]'' automatically give characters with Noble Born origin "Vendetta" trait - there's always ''someone'' powerful out to get them, and it doesn't matter that the character chose a career elsewhere and eventually wound up the right hand of someone with enough firepower to break a continent in two, or in the Holy Ordos of the Inquisition.
* ''[[Real Life Comics]]'' example: The [http://reallifecomics.com/archive/080111.html Aggie and Longhorns] feud.▼
** ''[[Rogue Trader]]'' [[Background-Based System|background character options]] (i.e. factors that ''shape'' the character's life) include "High Vendetta" and "Rivals" (the latter also involves compulsion to act on it, whenever the members of one's rival group are encountered), though clan vs. clan is not the only variant for this.
* L.A. Banks's short story "Spellbound" has the two families practicing voodoo, making things complicated when the newest generations meet at college and fall in love.▼
* More [[Real Life]]: ▼
** The Pazzi family and the Medici family of Renaissance Florence, Italy. The former is famous for their botched assassination attempt on Lorenzo and Guiliano de' Medici on April 26, 1478 after High Mass on the steps of the Duomo. To be fair to the Pazzi family, [[The Pope]] didn't like the Medicis either. Not many people did, except the people of Florence.▼
** And thus, the inspiration for first arc of ''[[Assassin's Creed]] II''. Only the main character is on the Medici's side.▼
* The War of the Roses, with House York and House Lancaster. It likely inspired the War of the Lions in ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'', a war of succession between Duke Larg and Duke Goltanna. Their feud all but destroyed the kingdom of Ivalice, and [[Evil Power Vacuum|allowed several other factions to sweep in and take power for themselves]].▼
* The a German branches of the House of Welfs and the House of Hohenstaufen in the 12th century. Not even marriage between them could end it, though both families where much too large and powerful to actually die out from a mere feud.▼
* The Japanese have had a bunch of these. Several of which led to country wide civil wars. Most famously the Gempei war between the Taira (Heike) and the Minamoto (Genji) clans.▼
* The Vikings of the Scandinavian lands were infamous for this. They would always fight each other for even the smallest things. The only thing that would make temporary truces was to invade England or France. It was only when Christianity came to the northern lands, and then the viking cheiftains took inspiration of the feudal systems in the mainland and reformed their turfs into united kingdoms, that the feudings ended. ▼
* In Korea, the Shims and the Yooms. The feud started in the mid 1700's and went on for about 250 years.▼
* A more lighthearted version of this is from many [[Brits With Battleships|British regiments]]. The British military system still maintains traces of the eighteenth century [[Proud Warrior Race|warrior fraternity]] air in an age of heavily bureaucratized warfare. Several regiments are traditional "enemies" and will continue their feuds with [[Practical Joke|practical jokes]] and [[Bar Brawl|bar brawls]].▼
* Similar ritual feuds have been noted by anthropologists among low-tech cultures. As lethal weapons are sometimes used the proportion of ritual and the proportion of feud is debatable and in any case probably depends on the nature of the dispute.▼
* Oddly enough ''potential'' feuding does have a positive(or at least [[Not Quite the Right Thing|less negative]] ) side effect in serving as a substitute for military and constabulary deterrence in places where [[The Government]] is weak. In such places a common custom is to pay blood-money for cross-tribal offenses weighted at the economic or political value of the person injured. This provides a face-saver that allows [[The Patriarch]] s of a given [[The Clan|clan]] to settle the dispute without a feud, but the [[Prove I Am Not Bluffing|threat of feud]] remains a feature of local politics. ▼
* The Bavarian town of Herzogenaurach, located about 15 miles northwest of Nuremberg, is today considered one of the greatest laboratories for sociologists thanks to a local family feud that has since expanded to ridiculous proportions. It all started in 1924 when hometown boys Adolf "Adi" Dassler and his brother Rudolf opened an athletic shoe company which is today known as Puma. The Dasslers achieved worldwide fame when Jesse Owens ran in their shoes when he won several gold medals at the 1936 [[Olympic Games]]. But the Dassler boys - the biggest employers in town - hated each others' guts, and their hatred for each other only grew worse during [[World War II]]. In 1948, the brothers announced to their workers that their hatred for each other had reached an irreconcilable point and that Adi was leaving to open a rival company – Adidas - on the other side of town, across the Aurach River. The employees then started choosing sides. After a quarter century, most of the people in town had relocated themselves to the side of the river that corresponded with whichever company they favored. Now the town - which had been united for over 900 years – is like a house shared by two pissed-off divorcees who refuse to move out after everything else has been settled. Except that instead of two people, there are about 24,000 people. Today, each side of the river has its own businesses, athletic teams, schools, etc. And if you wear Pumas on the Adidas side of the river, or vice versa, you probably won't get served at local businesses, you probably will be heckled, and you may be assaulted. ▼
* The clans of Scotland were known for this for a long time, though it died down after the country's acquistion by the United Kingdom, which served to unite many of them to rebel against a percieved common enemy.▼
== [[Theater]] ==
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** The McCoys and Weavers, in the 1938 short ''A Feud There Was''.
** The McCoys and Martins, in the 1939 short ''Naughty Neighbors''. The feud is broken up by a "non-aggression pact" (an allusion to then-looming [[World War II]]) signed by the respective heads of the families (Porky and Petunia Pig).
▲* [[Real Life]] example: The [[wikipedia:Hatfield-McCoy feud|Hatfield and McCoy]] feud. It was the inspiration for the [[Lucky Luke]] album ''The Rivals of Painful Gulch''.
▲* ''[[Real Life Comics]]'' example: The [http://reallifecomics.com/archive/080111.html Aggie and Longhorns] feud.
▲* L.A. Banks's short story "Spellbound" has the two families practicing voodoo, making things complicated when the newest generations meet at college and fall in love.
▲* The War of the Roses, with House York and House Lancaster. It likely inspired the War of the Lions in ''[[Final Fantasy Tactics]]'', a war of succession between Duke Larg and Duke Goltanna. Their feud all but destroyed the kingdom of Ivalice, and [[Evil Power Vacuum|allowed several other factions to sweep in and take power for themselves]].
▲* The a German branches of the House of Welfs and the House of Hohenstaufen in the 12th century. Not even marriage between them could end it, though both families where much too large and powerful to actually die out from a mere feud.
▲* The Japanese have had a bunch of these. Several of which led to country wide civil wars. Most famously the Gempei war between the Taira (Heike) and the Minamoto (Genji) clans.
▲* The Vikings of the Scandinavian lands were infamous for this. They would always fight each other for even the smallest things. The only thing that would make temporary truces was to invade England or France. It was only when Christianity came to the northern lands, and then the viking
* It was not unusual in the Italian city-states to have a quarrel between two families quickly escalate to bodily harm or murder, expand to involve their friends, then divide ''the entire city'' into two parties led by rival powerful clans, and then perhaps involve external forces (such as siding with Guelphs and Ghibellines). In several Italian city-states one of the requirements of citizenship was to forswear vengeance as that supposedly now belonged to [[The Government]] which was supposed [[Lawful Neutral|dispense it impartially]]. The fact that that had to be made an explicit requirement tells things about Medieval Italian culture. The problem was, they have lost the ancient traditional solutions for ending feuds, then reverted to conditions in which feuds were pretty much inevitable.
** As described e.g. in ''History of Florence'' by [[Niccolo Machiavelli]], the city had some or other clan-on-clan war on half the time. Buondelmonti vs. Uberti, Cerchi vs. Donati, Ricci vs. Albizzi and so on.
▲** The Pazzi family and the Medici family of Renaissance Florence
▲*** And thus, the inspiration for first arc of ''[[Assassin's Creed]] II''. Only the main character is on the Medici's side.
▲* In Korea, the Shims and the Yooms. The feud started in the mid 1700's and went on for about 250 years.
▲* A more lighthearted version of this is from many [[Brits With Battleships|British regiments]]. The British military system still maintains traces of the eighteenth century [[Proud Warrior Race|warrior fraternity]] air in an age of heavily bureaucratized warfare. Several regiments are traditional "enemies" and will continue their feuds with [[Practical Joke|practical jokes]] and [[Bar Brawl|bar brawls]].
▲* Similar ritual feuds have been noted by anthropologists among low-tech cultures. As lethal weapons are sometimes used the proportion of ritual and the proportion of feud is debatable and in any case probably depends on the nature of the dispute.
▲* Oddly enough ''potential'' feuding does have a positive (or at least [[Not Quite the Right Thing|less negative]]
▲* The Bavarian town of Herzogenaurach, located about 15 miles northwest of Nuremberg, is today considered one of the greatest laboratories for sociologists thanks to a local family feud that has since expanded to ridiculous proportions. It all started in 1924 when hometown boys Adolf "Adi" Dassler and his brother Rudolf opened an athletic shoe company which is today known as Puma. The Dasslers achieved worldwide fame when Jesse Owens ran in their shoes when he won several gold medals at the 1936 [[Olympic Games]]. But the Dassler boys - the biggest employers in town - hated each others' guts, and their hatred for each other only grew worse during [[World War II]]. In 1948, the brothers announced to their workers that their hatred for each other had reached an irreconcilable point and that Adi was leaving to open a rival company – Adidas - on the other side of town, across the Aurach River. The employees then started choosing sides. After a quarter century, most of the people in town had relocated themselves to the side of the river that corresponded with whichever company they favored. Now the town - which had been united for over 900 years – is like a house shared by two pissed-off divorcees who refuse to move out after everything else has been settled. Except that instead of two people, there are about 24,000 people. Today, each side of the river has its own businesses, athletic teams, schools, etc. And if you wear Pumas on the Adidas side of the river, or vice versa, you probably won't get served at local businesses, you probably will be heckled, and you may be assaulted.
▲* The clans of Scotland were known for this for a long time, though it died down after the country's
* It is common during a large war, for local feuds to exploit and be exploited by the warring parties. If for instance during the American Revolution, the Archies are Loyalists, the Bargies will be with the Continental Congress, but it might as well be the other way as neither cares except insofar as it gives them an accepted excuse to shoot at each other.
** Other interactions between local and larger conflicts are possible, as many as can be imagined. For instance during one feud in the Filipino backcountry one women (from a tribe where women are often the diplomats), before arranging a peace conference made a point to visit a nearby guerrilla leader and ask him to clear the district because many of his men were affiliated with one of the families causing danger of escalation. The warlord agreed to the request and the truce proceeded.
* One of the most absurdly named feuds was [[Silly Reason for War|War of the One Eyed Woman]] between MacDonald and MacLeod caused because an arranged marriage was made between a MacDonald chief and a MacLeod princess with the matchmaker failing to mention that the bride was one-eyed.
** They had been feuding for a long time but the marriage which was supposed to produce an heir failed to do so during the handfasting (provisional marriage)and the loss of an eye was a pretext for breaking it off. The local MacDonald chief though returned her tied backwards on a one-eyed horse, led by a one-eyed servant and followed by a one eyed dog as a deliberate insult.
* The chariot racing fans in the [[Byzantine Empire]] weren't families exactly. But they were lined up in four gangs named after different colors and resembled modern street gangs. Naturally they were always rioting against each other.
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