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''Peeps were hatin' on it 'fore I left my comment''|'''College Humor''', [http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3980096/we-didnt-start-the-flame-war "We Didn't Start the Flame War"]}}
Something about the anonymous nature of the internet makes people [[GIFT|behave in ways that they wouldn't when face-to-face with people]]. What starts as a minor disagreement like "how to [[Shipping|ship]] two minor characters," or "what constitutes [[Canon]] or [[Fanon]]," escalates until the users are insulting each other, flinging expletives and profanities and shouting at the top of their virtual lungs. Inevitably, someone will be [[
After a time, the flames may abate, but usually [http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-you-right-now_p2.html more because of exhaustion than anyone actually getting a point across.] Once everyone has recovered their stamina, all it takes is one innocent (or [[Troll|not-so-innocent]]) person bringing the subject up to [[Internet Backdraft|start things all over again]].
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* [[Animation Age Ghetto]] can often rile up Flame Wars, especially when it comes to Anime.
* [[Subbing Versus Dubbing]]. The issue is aggravated by the fact that some DVDs are released as sub-only.
* Character names when a series is being translated [[Spell My Name With an "S"|from one language to another]]. ([[Death Note (Manga)|Raito or Light]]? [[Princess Tutu|Ahiru or Duck]]?)
* Asking "Why is ''[[Naruto]]'' such a crap Anime" on any anime forum gets 3 different responses; non-fans saying it is, fans saying it isn't and a 3rd group that actually look at the question and point out its foibles and short comings, and try to answer it logically and factually. The 1st and 2nd group will fight, and the 3rd inevitably joins in, and can take either side.
** Just ''try'' pairing ''any'' two characters together: 90 percent of the time, you'll get [[Ship to Ship Combat]].
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** Ask any Marvel two fans who was right in [[Civil War (Comic Book)|Civil War]], [[Iron Man]] or [[Captain America]]? Then duck.
*** Even better, ask whether Civil War was idiotic [[Character Derailment]] that should be retconned and forgotten, or a legitimate storyline that should continue to leave its impact on the Marvel universe. The flames ''will'' fly, and the only thing that comes close to a consensus was that the event [[Canon Defilement|sucked]] (and that is a source of a debate between some factions).
* Try and ask comic fans who a superhero's true love is. You ''will'' get a long, twisting thread of responses screaming that [[Catwoman (Comic Book)|Catwoman]] is the person [[Batman]] is meant to be with or [[Wonder Woman]] is the only one who deserves him; declaring either that [[X Men|Jean Grey and Scott Summers]] are OTP or that people should move on and accept Emma Frost; or fighting over whether [[Spider Man|Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson's]] retconned-away marriage can be salvaged in the future or is [[Ruined FOREVER]]. Then there's the heroes who don't have alternate potential love interests, who some fans will insist should not have any love interests at all (yes, even supposed untouchables like [[Superman|Clark Kent and Lois Lane]]). And don't even start considering the personality changes and deleted characters and relationships between [[Pre Crisis]] to [[Post
* Take a panel from any Big Two superhero comic, from any era, and ask fans what they think. You will be beset by arthouse snobs insisting that everything before the [[Modern Age]] is crap, [[Silver Age]] nostalgists complaining that a scene has the wrong character dynamics (or characters), Marvel fans whining about DC characterization, DC fans whining about Marvel narration, old school fans complaining about modern continuity, new fans whining about four-color artwork, people insulting thought bubbles, people insulting the lack of thought bubbles, people hating on a character, people hating on a different character, irrelevent complaints about the writer/arc/future continuity/past continuity thrown, etc, etc, etc. Superhero comics doesn't have a [[Broken Base]]. It has a shattered base where each shard represents one single fan's opinions.
* DC fans have a division over the New52 relaunch. One side loves it, one side unreservedly loathes it and all it stands for, and the [[Silent Majority]] likes certain aspects. [[Dan Di Dio]] noted that most the hate comes from fans who have favourite characters replaced or benched. Wally West/Barry Allen, old [[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Teen Titans]]/ Lobdell Titans, old/new Starfire and the Batgirls issue are notable fan schisms, with Earth 2, Power Girl's costume and Action Comics also inflaming fans. Tellingly, series that have been better received by fans have smoothed out prior schisms.
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* What's the qualification for a film to become a cult film. Should huge mainstream ''successful'' films with cult followings qualify? (like ''[[Star Wars]]'') Or should cult only apply to obscure failed films that are remembered years after the fact?
* The flames burn hot in the debates between the original versions of the ''[[Star Wars]]'' trilogy and the special editions. Likewise with the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy.
* The [[
* [[Highlander (Franchise)|Highlander]]. The [[Broken Base|broken and divided fanbase]] of this series is purely LEGENDARY; take ANY issue and you'll be met with about 6(+) different factions of fans who all stick to their own individual continuities and will flame anyone who dares disagree with them/think their version is better/think differently/come up with their own take/etc.
* Tokusatsu [[Flame War|FlameWars]]
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** Ultraman fans vs. Toei-only fans.
* You are only allowed to like either the Pre-''[[The Lord of the Rings (Film)|Lord of the Rings]]'' films [[Peter Jackson]] made, or only the films he made after ''[[Heavenly Creatures]]''. You are not allowed to like all of his films, under any circumstances. ''Ever''. Yes, that's right, there are flame wars between Peter Jackson fans over whether only his early work was good or only his later work. And neither side is willing to see eye-to-eye.
** This baffling attitude comes from his older fans thinking that he [[Money, Dear Boy|"sold out"]], and that the ''[[The Lord of the Rings (Film)|Lord of the Rings]]'' films are long and boring and don't showcase his talent well. They're also prone to calling his newer fans 'kids' or 'noobs' during debates over which of his films are good.
** Also, his newer fanbase may be more fond of the Splatter films he made early on. They tend to think his older fans are snobs.
*** Either way, you ''have'' to pick a side. Appreciation for ''all'' of the man's work is '''unthinkable''' and '''[[Fandom Heresy|blasphemous]]'''.
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* [[Star Trek the Original Series (TV)|Kirk]] vs [[Star Trek the Next Generation (TV)|Picard]] is a classic that shows up less often now. If only because people prefer to complain about [[Star Trek Enterprise (TV)|Archer]] and [[Star Trek Voyager (TV)|Janeway]].
** Then there are those who think that [[Star Trek Deep Space Nine (TV)|Sisko]] was the greatest captain EVAR and refuse to accept any and all Star Trek that isn't completely serialized like Deep Space Nine was.
* A specific example from ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]'': the [[Flame War]] that resulted after it was announced that [[Christopher Eccleston]] was only doing one series as the Ninth Doctor got so out of control the entire [[Outpost Gallifrey]] forum had to be shut down for two days. Matters weren't helped when [[Small Name, Big Ego|prominent fan]] Ian Levine, in what can only be described fairly as a moment of [[Fan Dumb|hysteria]], elected to describe Eccleston as 'lower than a cockroach'.
** In general, discussions about whether the New Series is better than the Classic Series or vice versa have a good probability of ending up as one of these.
** Another common, yet pointless debate common on forums is [[I Am Not Shazam|whether the first name of the protagonist is 'The Doctor', or 'Doctor Who']].
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* Name any genre of music and associated subculture, any, and flame wars will ignite. Particularly volatile topics are: what is acceptable as heavy metal, which school of blackmetal is true/kvlt and how to 'define' goth.
** Mentioning that you like [[The Smashing Pumpkins (Music)|The Smashing Pumpkins]] is a good way to make some people ramble madly at how you are some [[Emo]] shitbag, loser, and like buggering small animals at night. They are the only ones that react exactly like what they are accusing you of, but usually they are [[Hatedom|too fanatic about their hate]] to realize that little [[Irony]].
** Indie music tends to bring up flame wars about whether something is indie enough. Did a band sell out or not? [[
* Old school rap [[The Eighties|80s]] and [[The Nineties|90s]] vs. The new stuff. The discussion starts off civil enough, then everything goes to hell. Exemplified by fans of the new stuff calling the other group a bunch of old out of touch whiners with a [[Nostalgia Filter]], and the former calling the latter group a bunch of white kids pretending to be black over the internet, or a bunch of suburban/dumb girls/uncle toms etc who like popcorn [[Glam Rap]] cause they can't hack real serious [[Hip Hop]]. It has gotten real personal in some cases, even outside the internet.
* Whether or not [[Soulja Boy]] is real [[Hip Hop]]...So many poor souls.
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* My favorite violinist vs. yours. ''Period!'' Go to any Youtube video on any virtuoso and just see the comments unfold below.
* [[Justin Bieber (Music)|Justin Bieber]]'s "Baby" video had been flamed by an internet group The "Metal Militia" on September 1, 2010. Bieber himself has taken a lot of fire for his popularity, and, in the eyes of some, mediocrity.
* In the [[Vocaloid]] fandom Kagamine fans are known for really long arguments over whether the two are twins, lovers, [[Brother
** There's also the ongoing battle between [[
* ''Jazz.'' The entire fanbase [[Broken Base|more or less split wide open]] in the 80s, with one side embracing the more commercialized aspects of jazz-rock fusion and smooth jazz introduced in the 70s, while the purists vehemently hating them. These days, smooth jazz generates ire from [[Dead Horse Genre|either side of the fence]], but the purist debate on what jazz is supposed to be rages on.
** Jazz split many times before the 80s. Bebop was controversial when it first came out, and Bossa Nova made jazz safe again for the mainstream. Then you have free jazz, which still has its detractors. And jazz fusion...
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* Any genre of classic music - Four words. Historically Informed Authentic Performance. Opinion wars have been known to end up more hysterical than historical.
* [[Nightwish (Music)|Nightwish]] has HUGE flame wars over whether Tarja or Anette is the better singer, despite the fact that Tarja left over six years ago. The war is still going strong.
* [[Two Words Obvious Trope|One band:]] [[Linkin Park]]. To wit, [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|"Old Sound vs. New Sound"]], [[Hate Dumb|"Manufactured Boy Band]] vs. [[Fan Dumb|Badass Nu-Metal"]], [[Alternative Rap|"Fort Minor]] vs. [[Post Grunge|Dead by Sunrise"]], [[Fandom Rivalry|"Linkin Park vs. Deftones", "Linkin Park vs. Limp Bizkit"]], [[
* [[Green Day]]: Either anything after ''Dookie'' is bad, or only their new stuff is good, or anyone who likes ''[[American Idiot]]'' is a noob and a sell-out, or anyone who likes ''21stCenturyBreakdown'' is also a noob and a sell-out, or if you like the band period, you're a fag who doesn't listen to "real" rock music.
* Pop-R&B vs. straight forward R&B. Some thinks that regular R&B doesn't even exist on mainstream radio anymore because of Pop-R&B. The flames come from arguments on whether or not the former pop artists are good singers, and or manufactured. Alternatively does that even matter and are the complainers out of touch?
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* ''[[The Legend of Zelda (Franchise)|The Legend of Zelda]]'':
** [[Viewer Gender Confusion|Talking about what sex Sheik is]] will likely garner heavy flaming from the conflicting groups, despite [[Word of God]] on the matter.
** A really fun one: Take some ''Zelda'' Fans of various ages and drop the words "[[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|The Wind Waker]] and [[
** The timeline. Both before ''and'' after the Hyrule Historia confirmations. [[Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement|Let's stop here.]]
* [[PC vs. Console|PC gaming vs. console gaming]]. If the two are even brought up in the same paragraph, it always has to be a competition.
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** Almost anything involving ''[[Final Fantasy]]'', such as which one sucked, which one was awesome, whether they're the best thing since sliced bread or the sign of everything wrong with the game industry today.
** The [[Final Fantasy]] main series is controversial enough, but if you [[Despair Event Horizon|bring up any of the spin offs]] (such as X-2 or any of the [[Final Fantasy VII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VII]] compilation) on a forum about one of the main games expect an all out [[Flame War]].
** You get the gaming equivalent to classic rock elitists that pine for the days of [[Nintendo Hard|Nintendo Hardness]] and vehemently declare that [[Nostalgia Filter|everything made after X era]] is "[["Stop Having Fun!" Guys|stupid faggy casual bullshit that takes no skill]]".
** Calling any ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' character [[Emo]], but especially protagonists like Cloud and Squall, is asking to be burnt to ashes, just to be put back together so you can be burnt down again and again.
** Kefka Vs. Sephiroth.
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** Repeat ad nauseum.
* Please don't ever mention Derek Smart. Especially in any relatively popular gaming-related forum. Especially ''especially'' on popular [[
* Common [[Super Mario Bros]] Flame War Subjects:
** Bowser's Koopalings VS Bowser Jr
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* Within the [[Pokémon]] fandom, there's fans of the first few generations VS fans of the later generations. Those who can appreciate all generations are often ignored in ensuing arguments.
** Likewise, people who think Ubers/Legendaries are perfectly legit to use in battle VS people who think using Ubers/Legendaries is cheating or an unfair advantage.
** Don't ever ask the Pokémon fanbase what their favorite generation is, unless you want to be in the crossfire of 5 different teams trying to slit each other's throats. All you have to do is mention Generation III (II in some camps), sit back, and watch the comments of "[[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|THE NEW GAMES SUCK]] [[Ruined FOREVER|THEY RUINED THE SERIES]] [[Nostalgia Filter|THERES ONLY 151 POKEMON]]" and so on fly.
** Many members of many ''[[Pokémon Special (Manga)|Pokémon Special]]'' forums are extremely jaded to Ash Ketchum; considering who they get to read about kicking ass, it's no surprise. Do not, even in jest, imply that Ash would make a good replacement for Red. If you do, your computer will have a nuclear meltdown from the sheer combined volume and intensity of the flames headed your way.
*** And now we have a new one concerning whether or not Lyra's cutsey new outfit is appropriate for super-serious Crystal, and whether or not Lyra should've been a new character.
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== Western Animation ==
* ''[[The Simpsons]]''. Anything about the Simpsons. For a good description of the usual flame wars over the Simpsons, see the [[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]] entry above, combined with every single animation-related flamewar ''ever''. And we're not even in the golden age of Simpsons flamewars anymore. The phrase "[[Worst Whatever Ever|Worst Episode Ever]]" came from the most common fan reactions to every single Simpsons episode on old [[
* Traditional animation vs CG. Some of the arguments in the ''[[Tangled (Disney)|Tangled]]'' forums before the movie was released made the title change controversy look forgivable.
** This has cooled down somewhat in the wake of ''[[Tangled (Disney)|Tangled]]'''s release... just try not to bring up the fact that it did better than [[The Princess and The Frog]].
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* The less said about the [[Pixar]] vs [[Dreamworks Animation|Dreamworks]] debate the better.
* The ''even less'' said about the [[Pixar]] vs [[Unfortunate Implications|Women]] debate the better.
* [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]] -- you either love it [[Fan Dumb|without question]], or see it as [[Hate Dumb|a gang of 40 year old neckbeards who need to stop fapping to ponies]]. And that's not even touching such [[Sarcasm Mode|deeply important topics]] such as Celestia's a bitch/a saint, the main cast are one heartbeat away from going [[Ax Crazy|totally insane]], Applejack/Rarity/Rainbow Dash are/are not abusing their little sisters, Trix -- [[Large Ham|THE GREAT AND POWERFUL TRIXIE]] is as powerful as Twilight Sparkle/Trixie is overrated, Equestria is [[Utopia]]/[[Dystopia|a tyrannical hellhole]]...
** And then you have [[Cupcakes (Fanfic)|Cupcakes]]. Sweet Celestia. The [[Internet Backdraft|storm of bile and venom]] this story can and has raised among Bronies is enough to make Nightmare Moon shudder.
** There's also those who think the show is inane, unfunny, ridiculous, and migraine inducing. Watching them take on the "Pegasis" and "Brony" camps is ''fun''. Make sure you have plenty of popcorn!
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