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To [[Canon]][[A Worldwide Punomenon|dorfs]], this can get annoying. Enough that people that continue to perpetuate it are treated with the same respect as a [[Troll]], although [[Hanlon's Razor|many times they merely made an honest mistake]]. As the following examples demonstrate, however, many other times the purists are not railing against mistakes, but against things which are not technically wrong, such as dub names, simply because they happened to dislike the alternate adaptation.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't seem to be related to [[Brand X|Gannon Car Rentals]]. Or Gannon University, for that matter. Or Officer Bill Gannon from ''[[Dragnet]]''.

* This can, on rare occasions, be inverted in the anime fandom, with posters saying "You aren't Japanese, so stop using the Japanese names." While certainly some are just elitist, some just use the original name or spelling because they like it better or if it's just what they're used to. There's also the problem some newer members of the fandom may have with correct pronunciation, potentially making it difficult to figure out what they're talking about.<br /><br />It can also be inverted in real life, when hardcore fans or self-professed Internet scholars attempt to use the "original" Japanese name for anime/game characters around people who have only watched/played the Western version of said show/game, and are completely bashed for being total dorks. Another example suggests that you should never use the Western names for ''[[Pac-Man]]'' ghosts when taking part in online ''Pac-Man'' fan conversations -- a corollary to that should be that you're better off not using anything OTHER than the Western names (more specifically, the nicknames Inky, Blinky, Pinky, and Clyde) when talking about ''Pac-Man'' to 90% of the people you will actually meet in real life.<br /><br />In English-speaking circles, [[Gratuitous Japanese|going out of one's way to use the Japanese words for things that are typical of anime in general when the English equivalent would suffice]] is considered to reflect poorly on the speaker; for instance, saying you dig ''vampire catgirls'' isn't a big deal, but going to the trouble of saying ''kyuuketsuki nekomimi-shoujo'' will put you on the Chumptrain to Douchetown.

** Many fan translations are militant in their use of Japanese equivalents of a word whenever possible, and occasionally reverse-translate portions of a manga (EX, changing Lordgenome into Genome-sama for [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]], when it was one word, and changing perverted to [[Ecchi]] in other manga when it damages a normal readers ability to understand the text.)

** There are also the so-called purists who insist of saying "Saiyajin" instead of "Saiyan", since the latter is an "Americanized" term. ("Saiyajin", in Japanese, means "someone from Saiya". "Saiyan", in English, means... "someone from Saiya".) However, the anglicization of "Saiyajin" to "Saiyan" was first used by Bandai for their Super Battle Collection action figures, which [[Older Than They Think|predated]] any of the American adaptations.

*** The English Dub references this at one point by having Buu mispronounce "Saiyan" as "Saiyajin."

** What if you know his name is [[wikipedia:Fran%C3%A7ois lchr(27)Olonnais|l'Olonnois]] Zorro (it has two Rs, [[Word of God]] says it's ''that'' [[Zorro]])?

** [[None Piece|We all know his name is Zoro Zolo.]]

** Many fans of the show have a tendency to call Light "Raito". This is the most understandable of the romaji transliterations, as early translations used Raito, but it gets really crazy when fans talk about "Ryuuku" and "Nia" and even "Eru". There has even been "Desu Noto" floating around... basically fans are [[Department of Redundancy Department|calling characters with English names the romaji spelling of their names]].

* CLAMP and ''[[Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle]]'' fans often get pissed off when someone calls the series ''Tsubasa Chronicle.'' See, the anime is called ''Tsubasa Chronicle'' and it was beyond awful. It was so bad CLAMP themselves disowned it; in the fandom's mind, calling it Tsubasa Chronicle most likely means you have only seen the anime.

* ''[[Inuyasha]]'': [[Oh God With the Troping|Oh god with the Tessaiga]]. Viz's translations created a lot of confusion as to how to spell it. Some prefer the romanization of "Tetsusaiga," while some like the previously used romanization. There are other variants as well, I'm sure.

** Vowel sounds in general should be done as precisely as possible. In this case the first would be written as さくら while with second would be さこら. A more extreme example of this are possible words for 'someone's husband' and 'prisoner', the first possibly being しゅじん or shujin while the second possibly being しゅうじん or shuujin... yes that one う/u makes a difference.

* Don't call Ryuzaki from ''[[Daimos]]'' Richard on any anime forum or you are in trouble.

* Chances are, if you mention "Robotech", you're going to have to listen to why ''Robotech'' sucks, why Harmony Gold sucks, why it ruined ''Macross'', and a number of other things, that usually don't relate to the other two series ''Robotech'' used. Even if it is a Robotech video on Youtube...

** Nearly every single Macross video has at least one Robotech basher who just randomly starts the bashing without any provocation or anyone mentioning Robotech before the basher does.

* On at least one forum, posters can be targeted by cries of "[[Mahou Sensei Negima|NEGIMA]] BANNED!!" for calling Negi's mother {{spoiler|Akira}} or referring to his cousin Nekane as his biological sister. Generally, though, Negima fans seem fairly understanding, because [[The Law of Conservation of Detail|there's]] [[Chekhov's Armoury|a lot]] [[Kudzu Plot|to keep]] [[Loads and Loads of Characters|track of]]...

* ''[[Tales From Earthsea]]'' runs into this trope. Most purist fans insist on referring to the film by its Japanese name, ''Gedo Senki''. In fact, most [[Studio Ghibli]] films get this treatment from the purists. The most notable example of fans' refusal to use an English name is ''[[Princess Mononoke]]'' (referred to almost universally as ''Mononoke-hime''), with ''[[Spirited Away]]'' (''Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi'') third most likely to suffer from this).

'''Chandler:''' "No, it's not like he's Phil Spiderman. He's a SPIDER <beat> MAN. You know, like 'Goldman' is a last name, but there's no '[[Chrome Champion|Gold-man]]'." }}

* This sometimes happens regarding [[Lex Luthor]]'s name in Superman media, particularly [[Justice League Unlimited]]. A talk show host interviewing Luthor, who happens to be running for President at the time, pronounces it Luther, while in another episode Superman gets it right by forcing the 'thor' part.

* In general for the DC comics, mixing up characters. Many different people have gone by the same superhero, though in general movies and cartoons stick to one character (for example Dick Grayson is almost always Robin).

 

* The editor of one early (late 1970s) British computer magazine persistently claimed that the difference between compilers and interpreters was "academic", even in the face of corrections from knowledgeable readers, until one month he learned the hard way just how wrong he was, by wasting three pages of the mag on a worthless hex-dump of the workspace of a BASIC interpreter. The mag didn't last very much longer after that issue.

* Any real-life incident where a tech support person gets a call that starts out with "We bought the internet from you", "Is this the internet?", "I think I need to reboot the internet", "I deleted the internet" will lead to ''vicious'' mocking.

** Be very careful about who you talk to. Most other distros' users will get a bit irritated with you if you call the kernel GNU/Linux. Some Debian users do too. For further clarification this goes back to a very old argument between Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman over who should get credit for free operating systems.

* Call Microcomputers such as the Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum and the Amiga "PCs" in front of Microcomputer fans.

== Films ==

* James Cameron's ''[[Avatar]]'':

*** Presumably they also wouldn't like it if you pointed out that an avatar is a ''virtual'' representation (in this context, not the Hindu one). A ''corporeal'' representation...is called a [[Unfortunate Name|waldo]], after an early example in a [[Robert A. Heinlein]] story. That wouldn't look ''nearly'' as cool on the poster over the Na'vi eyes, though.

**** It's only in the digital world that "avatar" refers to a virtual representation. Outside of the specific meanings (Hindu, digital, and the movie Avatar) the general definition of an avatar is any embodiment or personification, so it's not really correct to say that an avatar must be virtual.

* [[Smith Will Suffice|Smith]], the main villain in the second and third ''[[The Matrix|Matrix]]'' films, is an Agent only in the first movie, and his entire existence in the second and third revolves entirely around the fact that he is not an Agent anymore. Some in the ''Matrix'' community will unplug you if you call him an Agent in the context of the latter two films.

* To the fanbase of the "Underworld" series of movies, particularly every single person who knows anything about mythology, It is Lycan''thrope''. The term "Lycan" is a clear shortening of the scientific name for the disease/curse (or rather the real-world symptoms that mimic it), designed to be a slang insult to the species (at least until the prequel, at which point they tossed out their own sense).

* Granted, fans of ''[[The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen]]'' tend to be a bit more tolerant than most, because they know that it's not exactly faithful to the [[Alan Moore|source material]]. However, there are some no-nos even here, chiefly in character name spelling. It's Dorian Gray, not Darien Grey or any other permutation. It's Jekyll, not Jekall or Jekil or (heaven forbid) Jekkie.

 

* [[Timeline-191|In one series]] of [[Harry Turtledove]] books [[Timeline-191|(known, alternatively, as TL-191 or the Southern Victory series)]], a Confederacy that survives into the 20th century is taken over by the dictator Jake Featherston, who is basically a Hitler analog. For some reason, people insist on misspelling it as "Featherstone". This really pisses off fans, but what took it beyond the pale was when the misspelling appeared on the freakin' dustjacket of one of the books.

* Referring to any of the books of ''[[The Inheritance Cycle]]'' as a "[[Doorstopper|brick]]" can ''actually get you in trouble with the staff'' in some quarters. But in other places, even on fansites, the staff call them "bricks" too, but used as a term of affection rather than, well, ridicule and scorn.

* Some fans of that lady who wrote the ''[[Dragonriders of Pern|Pern]]'' books are rather grumpy about "McCaffery", probably because her last name is "[[Anne McCaffrey|McCaffrey]]".

* There's a huge [[Broken Base]] among ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]'' fans about whether ''The Magician's Nephew'' should be considered the first Narnia book, or sixth book in the series and a prequel to the first book, ''The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe''. The publisher hasn't exactly helped, what with deciding at one point to renumber the books in chronological order.

* In the world of [[Lewis Carroll]]'s ''Hunting of the Snark'', if your snark<ref>no, not ''[[Deadpan Snarker|that]]'' kind</ref> happens to be a boojum, "you will softly and ''suddenly'' vanish away, and never be met with again." ''Not'' "softly and ''silently''". This did cause arguments [[Older Than Radio|way back then]], with one fan, [[Online Personas|Snarkophilius Snobbs]], becoming infamous for persisting with this misquote.

** '''Technology at Hogwarts''' isn't permissible in any dose.

*** Things that work electronically, as below, ''do not work.'' Things that work ''mechanically,'' such as Harry's watch, do work.

*** It's "Hermine" in Germany.

*** ''[[My Immortal]]'' deserves mention just for the sheer fact that it manages to break all six of these rules in a spectacular [[Crosses the Line Twice]] fashion.

** Even worse are the discussions in fandom what the Elder Sign looks like - a star of a tree. Problem is that in different stories it is described as either. Mocked in the musical ''[[A Shoggoth On The Roof]]'' where in the opening a fight breaks out over this question. 'Star!' - 'Tree!' - 'Star!' - 'Tree!'...

* In the presence of hardcore [[Lewis Carroll|Carrollians]], never refer to the Hatter as the Mad Hatter, or to the Jabberwock as the [[I Am Not Shazam|Jabberwocky]].

 

 

*** Interestingly enough, in the [[Re Boot]] [[The Movie|TheMovies]] of [[The Sixties]], Peter Cushing refers to '''himself''' and listed in the credits as "Dr. Who." It is extreme [[Canon Dis Continuity]] now.

** Using "Timelord" instead of "Time Lord" or any spelling other than TARDIS is a bad idea.

* On ''[[The Price Is Right]]'', "Showcase Showdown" is when they spin the big wheel; "Showcase" is when they bid on the prize packages. Many people have been chewed out for confusing the two.

** Speaking of [[Power Rangers]], Jason David Frank was once booed for saying that he would have preferred it if Steve Cardenas had returned for Forever Red instead of Austin St. John.

* Confusing the British original and American remake versions of ''[[Skins]]'' is likely to get you gannon-banned from fans of the former - who make up the majority of the fandom, and most of whom see the American version as somewhere between forgettable and an unwatchable atrocity.

 

* Talk to any [[Radiohead]] fan and mention "Tom York". Or, "Johnny Greenwood".

* If you're discussing [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart]] with any serious classical fan, don't make the mistake of mentioning how Salieri poisoned him. ''[[Amadeus]]'' plays ''quite'' fast and loose with historical fact; it was never intended to be a Mozart biopic so much as just the film of Shaffer's play. Pretty much no reputable Mozart scholar out there thinks Salieri poisoned him or plotted against him, and in fact, the two men actually got along quite well and greatly respected each other. Salieri also had nothing to do with either the commission for or the completion of Mozart's ''Requiem''. And by the way, Salieri wasn't the talentless hack portrayed in the movie. In fact, he taught Beethoven ''and'' Schubert along with being one of the most successful composers of ''his'' time (even if its popularity died down after his death).

* A lot of die-hard music fans get very picky over genres, to the point of getting into lengthy flame wars over which of two very similar subgenres of metal a particular band fits into. Even worse is when you get a band that seems to fit perfectly into a certain genre, and the only thing stopping them from doing so is the fact that the bandleader insists otherwise. For a good example of this, look at the My Chemical Romance entry a few lines up, and think of the lives that have been lost because incredibly easy mistakes were made.

** Always head into any thrash or power metal discussion with shields raised, targs forwards. Inevitably, you will hit this. May also occur with goth. Standard accusations are mostly that said bands are [[No True Scotsman|not (genre) enough to count as real (genre) bands]]. See also: 'hair metal' like Poison in comparison to the rest of metal, with all but the most generic metal fans proclaiming they are merely 'hard rock' to disassociate from them.

* The genre is called "country music" or "country"; it hasn't been "country western" since the 1960s. Using the "western" tag automatically identifies you as a non-fan, and is nothing short of a [[Berserk Button]] for fans of the genre.

* Its [[Motley Crue|Mötley Crüe]], not Motley Crue. The [[Heavy Metal Umlaut|dots]] are important. However, since most English (North America and the UK) computer keyboards don't have an umlaut feature and not too many people know the "alt + numberpad combo = special character" feature, it's somewhat forgivable.

** Also, the final track on the same album is "Meaning of Life" despite many who might claim it's called "Psycho".

* Eve of Destiny are Goth. Not Visual Kei. [[Serious Business|This point is nowhere near as trivial as it seems]]. Anyone who calls [[Eo D]] visual runs a significant risk of being [[Internet Backdraft|shot down and stamped on]] by an indignant fan/fans. It doesn't help that having [[Eo D]]'s genre mistaken in this manner has become something of a [[Berserk Button]] for frontman Haruhiko Ash, to the point where he has severed ties with promoters who sold Eve of Destiny as a Visual band.

* Many fans of Canadian band, The Tragically Hip, can be quite hostile towards people who the drop "The" from the band's name -- or don't capitalize it.

** Also, Led Zeppelin is a band -- not a solo artist. Saying "Yes, I like ''him''" will mark you as a poseur by hardcore fans.

** Though causal fans might take a bit of ribbing if they say "Zo-so" instead of 'Page's Symbol.'

* ''[[The Phantom of the Opera]].'' Serious opera fans will slaughter you if you say ''Phantom'' is the last opera you saw.

** Same thing if you tell an old school ''Phantom'' fan that you just loved the 2004 movie or the stage sequel.

* Do NOT mention the controversies [[Miley Cyrus]] has been involved in certain circles. You'll either get fans trying to hand wave her behavior or another good old fashioned hateraide party, neither of which deserves spending any time in.

* If you refer to a well-known song, especially one involved in [[Memetic Mutation]], by its catchiest lyric, there is a very good chance someone will swoop in and insist you refer to it by the "proper title", which is usually much less known and thus does a poorer job of conveying which song you're talking about.

* Referring to any member of the [[Backstreet Boys]] ''except'' Kevin Richardson as a "former Backstreet Boy" is an instant [[Berserk Button]] trigger for BSB fans.

* On the Band Geek side: Gorramnit, people, trumpets are NOT the awesome ones with the slides!!

* It's [[Beatles]], not "Beetles"! (This troper recalls an article in his high school newspaper about George Harrison's death - the student who wrote the article ALWAYS spelled 'Beetles' incorrectly, though she claimed the editors insisted on it.)

** If you don't know who wrote the song, you probably shouldn't guess. Saying something like "I love 'Here Comes the Sun'! It's my favorite song by Lennon" (or any other song with the incorrect songwriter) could earn you ridicule from a die-hard fan.

* Attempting to define [[Enter Shikari]] as anything at all will generally cause backlash from the fans as they are considered to be in no genre in particular, though naming particular genres present in particular songs is certainly acceptable. This can be disregarded if the term being used is non-serious or affection in nature (Entershikaricore)

* Imply that [[Lady Gaga]] isn't as original as her fans think she is, or that her music isn't the ultimate expression of pop music greatness, in the presence of her fans and you'd better have your life insurance paid up. They might even come after your family...

** So who's the blue robot, Frenzy or Rumble? This question, when ask, will prompt other fans either saying "You had to go there, didn't you?" or straight-out causing flame wars.

* As [[Penny Arcade|Gabe]] [http://www.penny-arcade.com/2003/6/13/ discovered], [[LEGO]] fans are all too ready to point out that the plural of LEGO is LEGO.

* Calling Toa or Matoran "[[Bionicle|Bionicles]]" ''will'' result in a massive [[Internet Backdraft]].

** Heck, pluralizing the ''title'' will get you obliterated.

 

== Video Games ==

** Claiming that there is only one Link, that the games were released in chronological order, etc., is liable to get you laughed out of any timeline forum. Likewise is redirecting anyone with a timeline question to the Gametrailers timeline.

** The "Tetra"force theory — [[Sailor Earth|the theory that there are four pieces to the Triforce]], recieves quite a bit of hate.

** [[I Am Not Shazam|Call Link "Zelda" around any LoZ fan and prepare to get yelled at.]]

** For your own safety, don't call ''Zelda'' an [[RPG]].

** Also, don't call Link an "elf" in front of a Zelda fan unless you want to be slapped upside your face for being a complete [[Noob|n00b]]. You'll also probably get a huge speech about how Link is NOT an elf but rather a Hylian, the main race in the games.

*** According to pretty much every non-human entity in those games, Hylians are humans. Presumably the ears are just long.

* ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'':

** Go to a random community, mention "Hyper Shadow", and watch [[Satan]] himself flinch in fear of the [[Flame War|backlash]] you get.

** [[Viewer Gender Confusion|Tails is not a girl]], and never has been. People will gladly tell you this repeatedly.

** Calling Amy "Amy the Hedgehog" will give you some flak, though you can get into a debate that her full-name is "Amy Rose the Hedgehog". Likewise calling Tekno from the Fleetway comics "Techno" is a bad idea.

** Oh and do NOT spell Rouge the Bat's name as [[Rouge Angles of Satin|Rogue.]]

** In some fan communities, there are those who will insist on using only the Japanese names (Rockman instead of Mega Man, Forte instead of Bass, etc.) and will insist that only the events as detailed in the Japanese games are "true," even if the community is based on the American games with American fans. And even if the fan-work being discussed is ''explicitly'' based on the American continuity.

** Referring to the primary villain of the original series as "Dr. Wiley" is a bad idea. Calling him "Dr. Willy" is an even worse one.

* Go ahead and call Hyperspeed in ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' a "cheat". Don't expect to last long on any forum, official or not.

** Also, don't call [[Rock Band]] a ''Guitar Hero'' [[Did Not Do the Research|knockoff]]. You will be bludgeoned to death with various plastic fake instruments.

* Confusing speedruns and TASs is not recommended. Trying to pass off a TAS as a console speedrun is heavily looked down upon by both the speedrunning and TAS-making communities. For that matter, calling a TAS "fake" or "cheated" is a bad idea too.

* ''[[Final Fantasy IV]]'' has this persistant FWAK entry about Palom and Porom <ref>specifically, there was a rumor spread around stating they have they can be retrieved after their [[Heroic Sacrifice]]</ref> in several walkthroughs with FWAK entries in them. Repeating them in forums can be a bad idea.

* ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'', like [[Final Fantasy IV]] before, has FWAK entries, <ref>specifically that you can get General Leo to join your party after his demise</ref>. You'd better be planning to stay off the Internet for a while after repeating them in forums.

* There are people who tend to complain about the Shadaloo bosses having the "wrong names" whenever they get to play the Japanese version of a ''[[Street Fighter]]'' game, unaware of the fact that the names were actually switched for the overseas version of the series: the black boxer M. Bison became Balrog overseas, the Spanish Ninja Balrog became Vega, and the Shadaloo overlord Vega became M. Bison.

** Also, using "Shadowlaw," "Shadowloo," or "Shadaloo" will garner criticism depending on where you are.

* There's a ''lot'' of nastiness in [[Pokémon]] fandom over names. It usually results from differing translations or romanizations, works of dubious canonicity, and good old fashioned obtuseness.

** When Pokemon was first starting to get popular, kids would cringe whenever their parents (or some other adult figure) pronounced Pokemon as "Pokey-man" or "Pokemons".

 

== Web Comics ==

** Not a name-related issue, but speculating on the comic's frequent [[Schedule Slip]] on the [[Fora]] is grounds for having your post locked and receiving an infraction.

* On the [[Fora]] of ''[[Looking for Group]]'', anyone ignorant enough to post anything even hinting that they think the comic is a ''[[World of Warcraft]]'' story happening in Azeroth will get beaten up, crucified, eaten and shot, in that order. Despite the fact that the comic started as a Warcraft parody (though only for a very brief period) and incredibly obviously took significant inspiration from the games.

* [[Dreamkeepers]] fans are usually pretty torn when it comes to pronouncing Namah's name. Some people say NAA-MUH, while others believe it to be NAY-MUH and refuse to back down in their opinions.

* [[Las Lindas]] author Soul Kat has a big [[Berserk Button]] related to this trope due to so many people screwing up Davin Preacher's name, instead calling him Devin.

== Western Animation ==

* [[All Animation Is Disney|Call a Don Bluth movie a Disney movie]] when there are [[Don Bluth]] fans around. You'll be sure to irk someone.

** You'll get just as much flak for saying that her hair is blonde, which is understandable as the merchandise and recent rereleases color give her a brighter hair color than seen on previous releases and earlier artwork.

* ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' fans hate it when someone spells it "Looney TOONS". Unfortunately for them, people at Warner Bros. actually use that spelling too.

* ''[[Family Guy]]'' fans hate it when people and the media call it ''The Family Guy''.

* There was a small incident in the ''[[Transformers Prime]]'' fandom, right after episoe 21 aired, when someone who shall remain nameless for their own safety perpetuated a rumor via Wikipedia that episode 22 would be named something along the lines of "one bot, two bots, red bots, blue bots" or some such thing like that, and somehow several people fell for it. It was even uploaded onto Youtube with that name, but ended up being [[Jossed|completely wrong.]]

 

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