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* [[Crosses the Line Twice]]: Almost anything Sue does or says, though she certainly outdid herself in season 5 when she managed to take Figgins's place as principal by planting false evidence in his office, including gambling bills, porn magazines, ''gay'' porn magazines, gay porn ''foot fetish'' magazines, and '''''an autographed copy of Mein Kampf'''''.
* [[Designated Evil]]: Finn called Kurt's decorating "faggy". While he really shouldn't have said that, Kurt was way over the line, and Burt overreacted when he heard Finn say it. Even if he ''had'' handled it more rationally, Kurt clearly never cared that his behavior was seriously inappropriate, and complaining to their parents probably wouldn't have helped because of how protective Burt is toward his son. Though Burt did backtrack on it in "Duets", saying that while Finn shouldn't have said that, Kurt's behavior wasn't acceptable either.
* [[Designated Hero]]: Kurt Hummel. The fact that [[Word of God|Ryan Murphy]] [[Author Avatar|created the character specifically to play up Chris Colfer's strengths after seeing something of himself in the young actor]] means that [[Jerkass]] things Kurt says often go unchecked, and there are many cases where logic takes a backseat so that he’s only half-wrong or whoever he’s wronged reacts so disproportionately to the slight that Kurt comes out smelling like daisies anyway. [[Incompatible Orientation|His own feelings for Finn]] lead him to [[Manipulative Bastard|purposefully sabotage Rachel by giving her a bad makeover in order to ruin her chances with him]], telling her [[Lack of Empathy|she should be thanking him]]? It doesn't stop Rachel from [[Easily Forgiven|giving him a sympathetic wave near the end]]. He [[Your Cheating Heart|confides in a boy he meets at the local music store through sharing flirty puns and lets Elliott peck him on the cheek in a friendly selfie that they took after some subtle flirting]]? The first case ends with Kurt telling him that they'll make long-distance work rather than say he's sorry about really screwing up here while ''Blaine'' is the one who apologizes, and the second case is set up as karma that hands Blaine his hindquarters for pointing out that sometimes things are just handed to him after being named valedictorian to Artie and Tina's displeasure <ref>He dismisses the obligatory claims that Kurt's stepping out on him, but [[Green-Eyed Monster|it does raise alarming enough suspicions for Blaine to go and angrily confront Elliott that Kurt is his fiancé, not his]] - however, all it takes is Elliott reassuring him that Kurt loves him for that issue to be dropped entirely.</ref>. Kurt watches Blaine fall into such a deep depression after their engagement is so horribly called off that it ''affects his NYADA work and leads to him being given the boot'' without giving two shits, but still expects Blaine not to move on as he talks about getting him back, despite the fact that ''he'' made the call to end things, before being horrified upon finding out that Blaine's found someone? It doesn't matter because [[Easily Forgiven|Blaine immediately forgives him]] next they meet back in Lima and then tells him that he ''wanted'' to see him, thereby absolving Kurt of all guilt over clearly thinking Blaine was waiting for his triumphant return.
* [[Die for Our Ship]]:
** Artie. At PaleyFest 2011, Kevin McHale revealed that he often gets "hate Tweets" from Brittana shippers, protesting "[[I Am Not Spock|I'm not Artie!]]"
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** While Karofsky is a complex character and many of his fans accept his flaws as part of what makes him so interesting, some of his more rabid fans completely overlook the way he injures, threatens, and tries to force himself upon Kurt.
** With the help of Grant Gustin and the show's "interesting" way of character development, Sebastian is slowly but surely becoming this. Because there has to be a traumatized [[Jerkass Woobie|woobie]] beneath that "façade".
** Santana, as many of her fans tend to downplay her role in bullying other characters to turn her into [[The Woobie]] due to her torment over her sexuality. While rewatching early season 3 episodes would suggest that her bullying was in response to people attacking her and making fun of or taking advantage of Brittany, which she then gets punished for — and punished for being punished - it's still not an excuse. On top of that, she still struggled with her sexuality, thus providing an [[Alternative Character Interpretation]] that put her in a better light, especially among the young gay kids who can ignore the rest of her character to get some comfort in a shared experience.
** Quinn Fabray gets a lot of this from fans who tend to [[Ron the Death Eater|take her side when other characters criticize her for her actions, even when she is supposed to be in the wrong]]. In "On My Way", when Quinn publicly declared {{Spoiler|Dave Karofsky attempting suicide by hanging}} to be an act of [[It's All About Me|selfishness]] because ''she'' had never been driven to the edge even with all the pain she's been subjected to, Kurt arrives and informs Quinn about how "the world never stopped loving [her]" even after getting pregnant and completely reinventing herself with pink hair, a nose ring, and a tattoo — Will even reminded her of how the glee club and its members have always supported her in the past [[Ungrateful Bastard|and how she has never once been thankful for it]] in "I Am Unicorn". However, while Kurt, for instance, [[Jerkass Has a Point|could have given this argument without making the ways in which Quinn had it rough seem unimportant through phrasing it as "[having] a baby when [she was] sixteen" and "[having] a bad dye job for two weeks"]], this seems to be enough for a lot of fans to hold Kurt solely responsible for the quarrel and act as if the writers were out to get her. It's not like Kurt said this in response to Quinn [[Misery Poker|expressing discontent over what she's been through and hoping her friends will lend an ear to sympathize]], he said this in response to Quinn failing to take notice that no one can be in exactly the same position as someone else and instead judging {{Spoiler|Dave}} in a harsh and reductive manner. Will later has all the glee club members, including Quinn, let him know what they're looking forward to in the future, to remind them that it's easy to forget what's ahead of them when they feel like their lives have sunk so low — [[Driven to Suicide|revealing that he tried to take his own life after cheating on a math midterm]], something that most people might not see as a big deal — [[Misaimed Fandom|so this little quarrel between Kurt and Quinn appeared to be setting her up for a lesson anyway]].
** Quinn's entire character arc is centered around learning to [[It's All About Me|not care so much about herself]] and appreciating the support of the glee club that she never really gets from the Cheerios. This is most apparent in the third season as it is the one where this lesson finally sticks; Will reminds her of how the glee club and its members have always supported her in the past and [[The Reason You Suck Speech|calls her out on blaming]] [[Never My Fault|''him'']] [[What the Hell Hero|for her transformation into a bad girl]] in "I Am Unicorn". Sam tells her that she should enjoy her senior year while it lasts instead of constantly stressing about Beth in "Hold On to Sixteen". Kurt tells her to have some compassion since she finds it hard enough to see a situation in which she'd consider taking her own life after finding the strength to go on fighting that [[It's All About Me|she writes off Dave Karofsky as selfish]] just because he didn't in "On My Way", since she at least had people lining up to help her out when she was going through a hard time - be it Finn's mom, Puck's family, Mercedes welcoming her into her home, or the ''entire glee club'' supporting her and telling her how much they loved her. However, some fans remained convinced that Quinn instead could do absolutely no wrong and that this just meant the writers were out to get her, [[Ron the Death Eater|something going as far as to stress Quinn's suffering to the point of framing those characters as the bad guys for their comments]].
* [[Ear Worm]]: Going by the shows covers, there are too many to list, but the original songs they have done can be rather catchy. Special mention goes to "Loser Like Me", "My Cup" and "Big Ass Heart".
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]:
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** The main plot of "Asian F" is pretty racist, especially since an A- doesn't even affect GPA, which just makes it clear that this plot is feeding into Asian stereotypes regarding overly strict parents who push their kids to become doctors. The Asian jokes about Mike and Tina's relationship are also moving toward [[Unfortunate Implications]], if not there already. At first the "dim sum with your mom" jokes were a cute gag, but since then it's become the defining feature of Tina and Mike's relationship and their character development this season, and no scene featuring them can get by without an Asian joke. When Tina asked Mike why "everything has to be Asian", she may as well have been speaking for the fans who wonder why they can't be more than a [[Token Ship]].
** The "Sexy" episode seemed to give the message that abstinence is completely unrealistic for ''everyone''. Rachel even gets called "frigid" when she says that she doesn't want to have sex in high school. It does appear that it's just Holly Holiday pushing that angle, but no one ever calls her out on it. Emma technically does, but her opposing argument is just as extremist as Holly's, so it really isn't effective. The anti-abstinence messages continue in "The First Time", where Artie encourages three people, including one TEACHER, to lose their virginity just because he thinks it'll make their performances in ''[[West Side Story]]'' more realistic. When Rachel later objects to this, he tells her that she must have a "strange aversion to fun." Even worse, at the end of the episode everyone ''thanks him for being such a good director'', with no mention of how inappropriate his behavior was.
** Kurt's speech to Blaine who is questioning his sexuality in "Blame It On The Alcohol", where he states that [[No Bisexuals|bisexuality doesn't exist and that men claiming to be bisexual are really just closeted gay people]]. While it could just be dismissed as Kurt holding the [[Jerkass Ball]], and Blaine does call him out on his insensitivity, the fact that Kurt is validated at the end of the episode combined with his usual history of being seen as an [[Author Avatar]] regarding LGBT issues [https://web.archive.org/web/20150609013222/http://bitchmagazine.org/post/visibility-glee%E2%80%99s-problem-with-bisexual-men-television-feminism was seen by many viewers as a case of the show being biphobic]. Not helping were comments from [[Word of God|Ryan Murphy]] made soon after regarding the fact that Blaine is 100% gay that "it’s very important to young kids that they know this character [Blaine] is one of them", as if bisexual kids don't matter. Especially considering male bisexuality has even less representation in the media than male homosexuality does.
*** The controversy got reignited after "Tina In the Sky With Diamonds", where Santana spends half of her courtship with Dani panicking over having no "real" experience since she dated a bisexual woman, and the other half sighing in relief that she doesn't have to worry about her girlfriend "straying for penis". Between implying that bisexuals aren't "real" members of the LGBT community, claiming that they're [[Anything That Moves|unfaithful and promiscuous by nature]], and wrongfully smearing Brittany's character (Brittany didn't even ''end'' the relationship between she and Santana--Santana did), [http://stillnotshakespeare.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/glee-biphobia/ viewers] [http://www.afterellen.com/glee-recap-5-02-tina-in-the-sky-with-diamonds/10/2013/ got] [http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/82142857.html angry].
** The storyline about Quinn trying to get Beth back [http://popcrush.com/glee-petition-adoption/ was criticized by adoption advocates] for giving a bad image of open adoptions, as well as just factual inaccuracy (i.e. once the birth parents sign away their parental rights they're gone for good, so if the adoptive parent is declared to be "unfit", the child is taken into foster care, not given to the birth parents). They petitioned the show to do a PSA dispelling myths about adoption; so far, nothing has come of it, but the controversial storyline also seems to have been wrapped up.
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** Will. His [[Informed Attribute|supposed virtue]] is that he is a compassionate teacher who genuinely cares for and puts all of his students first. But it's a bit hard to see him as the sweet teacher he's made out to be after he planted drugs in Finn's locker to blackmail him into joining Glee Club. And after he blatantly favors a select handful of students within his group. And after he abandons his students on their competition day to pursue a personal audition. And after he lets open acts of bullying of his own students go unreported, ''even when it lands one of them in the hospital''. And after he suspends Marley, who always dresses modestly and had suffered from bulimia in the past, for refusing to wear a skimpy bikini in a musical performance.
** Finn. Considering that [[Karma Houdini|he suffers no real consequences]] for cheating on Quinn by kissing Rachel, being complicit in Quinn cheating on Sam [[Hypocrite|''after'' telling Rachel he would never forgive her for cheating on him with Puck and making her feel horrible about it]], or yelling at Quinn to stand up and show everyone how much of a bitch she is before attacking Joe when Joe tries to get him to stop pulling Quinn out of her wheelchair, it becomes difficult to see him as the hero the show makes him out to be.
** Kurt. The fact that [[Word of God|Ryan Murphy]] [[Author Avatar|created the character specifically to play up Chris Colfer's strengths after seeing something of himself in the young actor]] means that [[Jerkass]] things Kurt says often go unchecked, and there are many cases where logic takes a backseat so he is never wrong. He feels like crap when people go around telling him his sexual orientation is something he chooses because he knows it's a part of him he cannot change, [[Manipulative Bastard|but that didn't stop him from using his knowledge of what Finn likes in girls to give Rachel a makeover that went against those things]]... [[Hypocrite|in an attempt to sell him on the idea of relations with the masculine sex]]. The fact that he goes as far as to tell Rachel that [[Lack of Empathy|she should be ''thanking'' him just shows that Kurt didn't feel the slightest discomfort about setting Rachel up like that]], and being reminded that she will always have a better chance "because [she's] a girl" does little to convince him that he's even failed since Kurt automatically attributes it to [[Never My Fault|them ''both'' being distractions for Finn]]. Finn does eventually lose his temper and calls Kurt out on his refusal to just accept [[Incompatible Orientation|that he's not like him]], but he is then made to react so disproportionately to the slight, after insulting several items in Kurt's bedroom as being "faggy", that Kurt comes out smelling like daisies anyway. It took until ''the next season'' for him to acknowledge personal responsibility for his sexual harassment, [[Author's Saving Throw|probably after viewers criticized his supposed innocence in the matter]], because hearing it from Burt that Finn might have a point and that he may be taking advantage of Sam just as he had a crush on Finn the year before ''finally'' makes Kurt feel shame for his actions - he gives enough consideration to Burt's words that he tells Sam he can duet with someone else and that [[It's Not You, It's Me|the reasons for releasing Sam from their partnership lie with himself rather than with him]]
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** Santana. She is supposed to be seen as a hilarious, snarky [[Alpha Bitch]] that the audience should sympathize with after [[Freudian Excuse|tearfully confessing to Brittany that she is love with her and wants to be with her, but is also afraid of being bullied and ostracized for coming out as a lesbian]]. However, considering that she had been the biggest raging bitch humanly possible to Finn in "Mash Off" and pretty much everyone throughout the series, some consider Finn eventually [[Straw Man Has a Point|calling her a coward for constantly tearing others down while not accepting herself and her relationship with Brittany]] a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]. It doesn't help that she and the rest of her dodgeball team went over to pummel Rory, laughed as he bled on the floor, responded to Kurt calling her out on using this sport to bully and telling her that [[Not So Different|this makes her no different than the people who make fun of and harass their glee clubs]] with a derisive "Calm down, grandma", and turned out to be placating the Troubletones after agreeing to stop going after Finn since she instead goes to say that he's chubby - in other words, these things make it that much harder to feel bad for her being outed. Santana's personal issues become public in "I Kissed a Girl" and she even [[Easily Forgiven|forgives Finn]] after he shows her how their glee clubs all support her, so you'd think that this would provide some decent [[Character Development]] for her… and yet she [[Status Quo Is God|''continues'' to belittle and mock people with a haughty and condescending attitude for no reason throughout the entire rest of the series]]. ''The subsequent episode'' no less has Finn telling Santana that offering certain members of the New Directions to join the Troubletones should they lose is incredibly rude, but she fires back with another comment making fun of him for being chubby. Gee, it's almost as if she learned nothing from the last time she called him that…
* [[Unnecessary Makeover]]: Rachel had one in Season One, which gets lampshaded by Finn. It happens again in Season Four with a lot of fans finding it that way. It's hard to argue against it, considering it does change her appearance from Rachel Berry to pretty much [[Lea Michele]].
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* [[Unpopular Popular Character]]: Rachel.
* [[Values Dissonance]]: Many international viewers have expressed surprise that this show portrays teachers hugging their students, something forbidden in the UK but mostly <ref>prohibited in some schools, yes</ref> common in US schools.
* [[Viewer Gender Confusion]]: Some viewers thought Coach Beiste was played by a male transvestitecrossdresser. In fact, she is played by a woman, Dot Jones. And on the other side of the gender spectrum, more than a few viewers thought Kurt was a girl at first due to his high-pitched voice and somewhat feminine facial features. Now that his actor is older and more well-established, it's less common, though it still happens on occasion for first-time watchers.
* [[What an Idiot!]]: Hiring Terri as the school nurse.
** It's a wonder Dave didn't just blurt out, 'I didn't kiss Kurt in the locker room!' There's actually a very plausible denial he could have given for checking out Sam's bottom. Namely, Sam was getting a drink out of a water fountain. Dave was thirsty and looked to see who was at the fountain. He saw, and then, continued walking until he found another one. If Santana thought that his eyes were specifically on the bottom, that's probably because that's where hers were. Of course, it probably doesn't help that scene was played so subtly that, even knowing Dave's gay, this troper didn't even realise that's what he was doing until Santana spelled it out.