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Removing Unintentionally Unsympathetic example for Kurt and editing Draco in Leather Pants example for Quinn. I've come to realize that Kurt's response to Quinn's statement doesn't exactly fall under Misery Poker like I had initially thought.
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** While Karofsky is a complex character and many of his fans accept his flaws as part of what makes him so interesting, some of his more rabid fans completely overlook the way he injures, threatens, and tries to force himself upon Kurt.
** With the help of Grant Gustin and the show's "interesting" way of character development, Sebastian is slowly but surely becoming this. Because there has to be a traumatized [[Jerkass Woobie|woobie]] beneath that "façade".
** Santana, as many of her fans tend to downplay her role in bullying other characters to turn her into [[The Woobie]] due to her torment over her sexuality. While rewatching early season 3 episodes would suggest that her bullying was in response to people attacking her and making fun of or taking advantage of Brittany, which she then gets punished for — and punished for being punished
** Quinn Fabray gets a lot of this from fans who tend to [[Ron the Death Eater|take her side when other characters criticize her for her actions, even when she is supposed to be in the wrong]]. In "On My Way", when Quinn publicly declared {{Spoiler|Dave Karofsky attempting suicide by hanging}} to be an act of [[It's All About Me|selfishness]] because ''she'' had never been driven to the edge even with all the pain she's been subjected to, Kurt arrives and informs Quinn about how "the world never stopped loving [her]" even after getting pregnant and completely reinventing herself with pink hair, a nose ring, and a tattoo — Will even reminded her of how the glee club and its members have always supported her in the past [[Ungrateful Bastard|and how she has never once been thankful for it]] in "I Am Unicorn". However, while Kurt, for instance, [[Jerkass Has a Point|could have given this argument without making the ways in which Quinn had it rough seem unimportant through phrasing it as "[having] a baby when [she was] sixteen" and "[having] a bad dye job for two weeks"]], this seems to be enough for a lot of fans to hold Kurt solely responsible for the quarrel and act as if the writers were out to get her. It's not like Kurt said this in response to Quinn [[Misery Poker|expressing discontent over what she's been through and hoping her friends will lend an ear to sympathize]], he said this in response to Quinn failing to take notice that no one can be in exactly the same position as someone else and instead judging {{Spoiler|Dave}} in a harsh and reductive manner. Will later has all the glee club members, including Quinn, let him know what they're looking forward to in the future, to remind them that it's easy to forget what's ahead of them when they feel like their lives have sunk so low — [[Driven to Suicide|revealing that he tried to take his own life after cheating on a math midterm]], something that most people might not see as a big deal — [[Misaimed Fandom|so this little quarrel between Kurt and Quinn appeared to be setting her up for a lesson anyway]].
* [[Ear Worm]]: Going by the shows covers, there are too many to list, but the original songs they have done can be rather catchy. Special mention goes to "Loser Like Me", "My Cup" and "Big Ass Heart".
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** Will. His [[Informed Attribute|supposed virtue]] is that he is a compassionate teacher who genuinely cares for and puts all of his students first. But it's a bit hard to see him as the sweet teacher he's made out to be after he planted drugs in Finn's locker to blackmail him into joining Glee Club. And after he blatantly favors a select handful of students within his group. And after he abandons his students on their competition day to pursue a personal audition. And after he lets open acts of bullying of his own students go unreported, ''even when it lands one of them in the hospital''. And after he suspends Marley, who always dresses modestly and had suffered from bulimia in the past, for refusing to wear a skimpy bikini in a musical performance.
** Finn. Considering that [[Karma Houdini|he suffers no real consequences]] for cheating on Quinn by kissing Rachel, being complicit in Quinn cheating on Sam [[Hypocrite|''after'' telling Rachel he would never forgive her for cheating on him with Puck and making her feel horrible about it]], or yelling at Quinn to stand up and show everyone how much of a bitch she is before attacking Joe when Joe tries to get him to stop pulling Quinn out of her wheelchair, it becomes difficult to see him as the hero the show makes him out to be.
** Kurt. The fact that [[Word of God|Ryan Murphy]] [[Author Avatar|created the character specifically to play up Chris Colfer's strengths after seeing something of himself in the young actor]] means that [[Jerkass]] things Kurt says often go unchecked, and there are many cases where logic takes a backseat so he is never wrong. He feels like crap when people go around telling him his sexual orientation is something he chooses because he knows it's a part of him he cannot change, [[Manipulative Bastard|but that didn't stop him from using his knowledge of what Finn likes in girls to give Rachel a makeover that went against those things]]... [[Hypocrite|in an attempt to sell him on the idea of relations with the masculine sex]]. The fact that he goes as far as to tell Rachel that [[Lack of Empathy|she should be ''thanking'' him just shows that Kurt didn't feel the slightest discomfort about setting Rachel up like that]], and being reminded that she will always have a better chance "because [she's] a girl" does little to convince him that he's even failed since Kurt automatically attributes it to [[Never My Fault|them ''both'' being distractions for Finn]]. Finn does eventually lose his temper and calls Kurt out on his refusal to just accept [[Incompatible Orientation|that he's not like him]], but he is then made to react so disproportionately to the slight, after insulting several items in Kurt's bedroom as being "faggy", that Kurt comes out smelling like daisies anyway. It took until ''the next season'' for him to acknowledge personal responsibility for his sexual harassment, [[Author's Saving Throw|probably after viewers criticized his supposed innocence in the matter]], because hearing it from Burt that Finn might have a point and that he may be taking advantage of Sam just as he had a crush on Finn the year before
*** The fact that it was decided to get [[Chris Colfer|his actor]] into the writer's room for "Old Dog, New Tricks" means that the audience is clearly meant to sympathize with Kurt more in it, as he finds himself feeling a little directionless, that he isn't going as fast as the rest of his friends and so is a support bracket for them. However, the fact that he blows his top [[Informed Wrongness|after his friends say no to him performing at Rachel's charity event despite the fact that getting someone even less known than Rachel to contribute an act is not good for a publicity campaign]], or when he states that he's sick of Rachel only being his friend when it's convenient for her after he asks her to come see the production of ''[[Peter Pan]]'' and she reminds him that her charity thing is happening then, just makes him look like he's [[It's All About Me|telling his friends off for a combination of doing stuff with him and also getting on with their lives that he's interpreting maliciously and being jealous of]]. It doesn't help that Santana at least does something about ''her'' loss of direction and handles it in a mature manner after quitting the ''[[Funny Girl]]'' understudy job by agreeing to do a duet with Mercedes for her album in "The Back-up Plan". As soon as her producer states that having her single be a duet with Santana isn't a good idea though, Santana agrees, telling Mercedes that her debut album should be all about her.
** Santana. She is supposed to be seen as a hilarious, snarky [[Alpha Bitch]] that the audience should sympathize with after [[Freudian Excuse|tearfully confessing to Brittany that she is love with her and wants to be with her, but is also afraid of being bullied and ostracized for coming out as a lesbian]]. However, considering that she had been the biggest raging bitch humanly possible to Finn in "Mash Off" and pretty much everyone throughout the series, some consider Finn eventually [[Straw Man Has a Point|calling her a coward for constantly tearing others down while not accepting herself and her relationship with Brittany]] a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]. It doesn't help that she and the rest of her dodgeball team went over to pummel Rory, laughed as he bled on the floor, responded to Kurt calling her out on using this sport to bully and telling her that [[Not So Different|this makes her no different than the people who make fun of and harass their glee clubs]] with a derisive "Calm down, grandma", and turned out to be placating the Troubletones after agreeing to stop going after Finn since she instead goes to say that he's chubby - in other words, these things make it that much harder to feel bad for her being outed. Santana's personal issues become public in "I Kissed a Girl" and she even [[Easily Forgiven|forgives Finn]] after he shows her how their glee clubs all support her, so you'd think that this would provide some decent [[Character Development]] for her… and yet she [[Status Quo Is God|''continues'' to belittle and mock people with a haughty and condescending attitude for no reason throughout the entire rest of the series]]. ''The subsequent episode'' no less has Finn telling Santana that offering certain members of the New Directions to join the Troubletones should they lose is incredibly rude, but she fires back with another comment making fun of him for being chubby. Gee, it's almost as if she learned nothing from the last time she called him that…
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