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== Vriska's death is permanent ==
Being killed is her just dessert. Her dying was Just enough to constitute her not coming back. She's done too many awful things, and deserves to have died at Terezi's hand.
* Jossed again. We may [https://web.archive.org/web/20110621013508/http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/205977743303664796 never truly know] what really killed Vriska.
== Vriska's death isn't permanent because it is neither sufficiently heroic nor sufficiently just ==
Vriska's death was not a [[Heroic Sacrifice]] in the pursuit of a just cause, and therefore insufficiently heroic. Terezi ultimately chose to stab her in order to prevent the [[Bad Future]] [[Self-Defeating Prophecy|she had foreseen]], it was an [[I Did What I Had to Do]] / [[Shoot the Dog]] moment, and therefore insufficiently just due to her killer's motivation.
* Jossed again. We may [https://web.archive.org/web/20110621013508/http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/205977743303664796 never truly know] what really killed Vriska.
== Vriska's death isn't permanent because, now we've seen her chatlog with John, her death is insufficiently just ==
Vriska's death WAS just a few panels ago... But that was before we saw how much she hated being a "good troll". Now we have, the perception of her death has changed, and to remain dead would be unjust.
** Jossed. We may [https://web.archive.org/web/20110621013508/http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/205977743303664796 never truly know] what really killed Vriska.
== The Trolls' ancestors are carbon copies of the Trolls sent back in time during Karkat's ectobiology session. ==
It's stated that Karkat produced 2 sets of 12 Trolls, but nothing is ever said about mixing of codes; He simply created 2 identical sets of grubs, sent 1 dozen back to their appropriate wriggling days and the other dozen back to a time appropriate to their ancestors'. You have to admit, the ancestors all line up to the current Trolls just a little too precisely for the similarities to be written off as ancestor worship.
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Gamzee was mellow due to the effects of the supor slime pies affecting his brain. Karkat realized that, and, unwilling to kill a troll he's considered his very best friend since the beginning, opted to return Gamzee to the way he was by using his sickles to give his friend a lobotomy, so he'll have no memories of him being a descended Subjugglator.
* 1. How would Karkat even know how to lobotomize someone? 2. How do you lobotomize someone with a siccle? 3. Is Gamzee just standing still while this is happening or did Kanaya kick him in the balls again? 4. A lobotomy is not laser guided amnesia it is the process of cutting appart the brain, he wouldn't be back to his soper self he would be catatonic.
** 1. You're talking about somebody who created 12 babies from scratch, creates viruses that destroy computers and is generally the only sane man in a clique of trolls that have various psychological problems. I think he's capable. 2. [http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/f/f3/HSYL.png Watch the curve of the blades.] Simply drive both into the frontal cortex. 3. Ambush. 4. The effects of a lobotomy varies. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120719073730/http://articles.cnn.com/2005-11-30/health/pdg.lobotomy_1_mental-illness-lobotomy-transorbital?_s=PM:HEALTH Some people who have had them still go on to lead normal, if somewhat different lives.] [[Did Not Do the Research]], much?
*** The machine made the babies, he pressed buttons. Sollux made the virus Karkat executed it. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Icepicks1.jpg Straight needle-thin objects] are required for lobotomization and a siccle may not be thin enough. Ambush the guy who teleports might actually work (have worked? since it technically already happened we just didn't see it) seeing as it was already done against Dave by Bro, however Bro did have the same ability. It is true that the results of lobotomies is veriable and that they are still done today, but not on mental patients. It's done on epilepsy patients to basically kill the part of the brain causing the problems. Did do the research.
* [[Jossed]].
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