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{{quote|"''Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.''"|'''[[Charles Darwin]]'''}}
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This character is too ignorant to realize that he is ignorant. He has so little power and knowledge that he has nothing to compare with, and thus grossly overestimate his own power, knowledge and importance. Likely to live in a [[Small Secluded World]] or be saturated in [[Paranoia Fuel]]... or both.
 
A character who is characterized this way is sometimes referedreferred to as a "King of Pointland", after an old example of this trope. Pointland in the novel ''[[Flatland]]'' is not a kingdom at all, it is just a [[Small Secluded World|dimensionless spot of nothingness]]. Its only inhabitant is "king" by default since he is totally alone. He has no width, no height, no depth (neither literally nor metaphorically), no power or knowledge, and since he has nothing to compare with himself, he believes himself to be omnipotent.
 
Children and animals are normally excused from this trope. They can be included in special cases when their "ignorance of ignorance" is highlighted rather thenthan simply a part of who they are — or when they have powers way beyond their maturity, so that their lack of understanding becomes a problem.
 
Characters who are merely '''Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance''' are very different from characters such as a [[TedSmall BaxterName, Big Ego]] type or a [[Heteronormative Crusader]]. While a TedSmall Name, Big Ego Baxtertype is narcissistically full of himself and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, he might still be a villain — often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[Evil Cannot Comprehend Good|incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[The Power of Friendship|powers]]. Compare [[Outside Context Villain]], who [[Flaw Exploitation|exploits]] ignorance of even his ''potential'' existence.
 
As [[That Other Wiki]] can tell you, in [[Real Life]] Psychology it's known as [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority:Illusory superiority|illusory superiority]]. A related concept is the [[Dunning–Kruger effect]].
 
See also [[Know-Nothing Know-It-All]].
 
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== Anime and Manga ==
* Neji Hyuuga of ''[[Naruto]]'' shows signs of this. He has a very strong belief in the inevitability of fate, the futility of fighting against it, and his own position as the most powerful genin in, well, the world it seems. The fact that he's preaching to ''[[Sealed Inside a Person -Shaped Can|Naruto]]'' of all people about bearing a burden he never asked for or deserved just proves how little he really understand about life outside of his clan's wealthy compound.
 
* Neji Hyuuga of ''[[Naruto]]'' shows signs of this. He has a very strong belief in the inevitability of fate, the futility of fighting against it, and his own position as the most powerful genin in, well, the world it seems. The fact that he's preaching to ''[[Sealed Inside a Person Shaped Can|Naruto]]'' of all people about bearing a burden he never asked for or deserved just proves how little he really understand about life outside of his clan's wealthy compound.
** Well, Naruto's....condition was classified top-secret and nobody of his generation knew about it, so even if he was / is quite knowledgeable about life outside his clan, he still wouldn't know about the Kyuubi. It still counts, but in a somewhat narrower sense.
* In ''[[Bleach]]'', before Aizen, Gin, and Tosen arrived and usurped his throne, Baraggan believed that he had already conquered everything, and was incredulous when Aizen told him there are other worlds besides Hueco Mundo.
* ''[[ToA AruCertain Majutsu noMagical Index]]'': Several characters, mostly the ones living in Academy City, believe their conflicts and world of science is all there is, completely unaware of the conflicts and world of magic.
 
== Comic Comics Books ==
 
* In ''[[Calvin and Hobbes]]'', Calvin constantly overestimates himself. (While this is quite natural for any 6-year-old, it looks very weird on Calvin since he uses language and glimpses abstract thinking on levels far above his real-life peers.)
* Played with in [[Marvel Comics]]' ''[[Secret Wars]]''. The Beyonder was a [[Cosmic Being]] who believed it was the ''only'' thing that existed until it discovered the [[Marvel Universe]]. Subverted in that it ''really'' was omnipotent, although this was later [[Ret Conned]] to be a delusion (it was powerful, just not ''the'' most powerful cosmic being.)
* ''[[Green Lantern (Comic Book)|Green Lantern]]'': Larfleeze of the Orange Lantern Corps might be this. For eons he was locked away in a secluded system with his treasures, content to consume anyone who crossed him until the Controllers woke him. And while he is a formidable being, having the power of an entire corps and an entire legion of orange constructs at his command, his view of things is partially shattered when he encounters the rest of the universe after so long, circumstances force him to make deals and alliances with beings just as powerful as himself. Afterward he also realizes that some beings in the universe, like humans, are better at being greedy than he ever was.
* In ''[[Logicomix]]'', Ferge is totally honest and devoted to truth & logic. Sadly, this devotion combined with [[Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance]] leads to [[Black and White Insanity]] in the form of a [[Straw Vulcan]] despise for women and jews. On the whole, this make him a [[Troubled Sympathetic Bigot]] who is desperately trying to do the right thing.
 
== Films -- Live-ActionFilm ==
* Subverted and partially played straight in ''[[The Truman Show (Film)|The Truman Show]]''. Played Straight in the way that Truman grossly overestimates his popularity in his circle of friends. They actually hate him, or at least don't care about him very much, and merely suck up to him because they want to be in the spotlight. Subverted in the way that Truman actually underestimates his importance in the world. He thinks he's a normal guy at a normal job in a normal town. But the town is actually a [[Small Secluded World]], and Truman himself is "on the air, unaware", having millions of fans without knowing it.
 
* Subverted and partially played straight in ''[[The Truman Show (Film)|The Truman Show]]''. Played Straight in the way that Truman grossly overestimates his popularity in his circle of friends. They actually hate him, or at least don't care about him very much, and merely suck up to him because they want to be in the spotlight. Subverted in the way that Truman actually underestimates his importance in the world. He thinks he's a normal guy at a normal job in a normal town. But the town is actually a [[Small Secluded World]], and Truman himself is "on the air, unaware", having millions of fans without knowing it.
** Also subverted in that he is [[Properly Paranoid]] and has always had a sneaking suspicion that all was not quite right, something only more evident to him as the movie progresses. He's not totally ignorant of what his friends and family think of him either- he asks his wife, at one point, why she married him, when "you can't stand me". Plus, one of the hints he gets that he's being spied on is that random strangers know who he is.
* Much like ''[[The Truman Show (Film)|The Truman Show]]'', ''[[The Matrix]]'' , ''[[Dark City]]'' and ''[[The Thirteenth Floor]]'' obviously apply.
* The male lead of ''[[Blast Fromfrom the Past]]'' has quite a bit of this, having grown up in a [[Small Secluded World]] and not getting any real experience of the outside world. For example, his very heteronormative upbringing doesn't make him a [[Heteronormative Crusader]] — instead, he doesn't consider his gay friend to be strange at all, not having any division between heterosexuality and homosexuality included in his worldview.
** It's more that he doesn't seem to realize he's homosexual, or even know what homosexuality ''is''.
{{quote| Eve: [to Adam, about Troy] He's gay, by the way.<br />
Adam: [thinking she means that Troy is happy] Well, good for you! }}
* Emperor Tod in ''[[Mom and Dad Save The World]]''
 
== Literature ==
 
* In ''[[Flatland]]'', the zero-dimensional creature known as Spot is the King of Pointland. He is the former trope namer and maybe ur-example.
** Pretty much everyone but the main character applies. The one-dimensional world doesn't realize the existence of a two-dimensional world. The two-dimensional world denies the existence of a three-dimensional world, etc. The book is actually supposed to be written by the square to the three dimensional world to tell them that there's more dimensions.
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* In the ''[[Xanth]]'' novel ''Faun and Games'', protagonist Forrest Faun gives a show of this early on when he gets a ride from Nimby the Dragon Ass and his girlfriend Chlorine. Chlorine mentions that Nimby's magic Talent is to let anyone who travels with him be whatever they want to be (which is why she is [[Mary Sue]]-grade beautiful, smart and nice). Forrest wisely conclude to himself that Chlorine is utterly insane, since Nimby has already demonstrated his singular Talent of walking up and down walls. Little does Forrest know that Nimby is actually the secret identity of the major demon XANTH, who doesn't have to play by the same rules as ordinary mortals. It's also fairly rude to make such a dismissal since the land of Xanth contains plenty of magic objects and plants that let you do exceptional things without having to use a specific Talent.
* In the [[Honor Harrington]] series, most of the Admirals of the [[The Federation|Solarian League]] are so convinced that they are the greatest leaders of the greatest military force in the universe that they keep walking into [[Curb Stomp Battle|unfortunate]] [[Macross Missile Massacre|situations]] that they probably could have avoided with a little thought.
 
 
== Live-Action TV ==
* In ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'', the [[Energy Being]] called [[Leonardo Dada Vinci]] believes himself to be a great scientist and inventor, when the reality is that he's merely a ignorant victim of cruel computer programming.
* There's a case for House being this in "The Doctor's Wife" episode of ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]''.
* Dean Pelton in the ''[[Community (TV)|Community]]'' episode "[[Community (TV)/Recap/S2 /E09 Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design|Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design]]". Jeff quickly realizes that the Dean isn't capable of forming a conspiracy on his own and actually fails to understand what a conspiracy is with the Dean in the end 'conspiring' with everyone involved.
 
== Newspaper Comics ==
* In ''[[Star Trek Voyager]]'', the [[Energy Being]] called [[Leonardo Da Vinci]] believes himself to be a great scientist and inventor, when the reality is that he's merely a ignorant victim of cruel computer programming.
* In ''[[Calvin and Hobbes]]'', Calvin constantly overestimates himself. (While this is quite natural for any 6-year-old, it looks very weird on Calvin since he uses language and glimpses abstract thinking on levels far above his real-life peers.)
* There's a case for House being this in "The Doctor's Wife" episode of ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]''.
* Dean Pelton in the ''[[Community (TV)|Community]]'' episode "[[Community (TV)/Recap/S2 E09 Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design|Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design]]". Jeff quickly realizes that the Dean isn't capable of forming a conspiracy on his own and actually fails to understand what a conspiracy is with the Dean in the end 'conspiring' with everyone involved.
 
== Philosophy ==
* In moral philosophy, one classic thought-experiment is the one about Happy Bert.{{verify}}<!-- This Mod can't find in a DuckDuckGo search any references to a thought experiment with this name. --> This guy just doesn't get sarcasm, incorrectly believing that the people laughing ''at'' him is actually laughing ''with'' him.
 
* In moral philosophy, one classic thought-experiment is the one about Happy Bert. This guy just doesn't get sarcasm, incorrectly believing that the people laughing ''at'' him is actually laughing ''with'' him.
 
== Tabletop Games ==
* ''[[GURPS|GURPS Aliens]] Aliens'' include a hivemind race called Mmm. When first encountered, this creature slaughtered humans just to see what they looked like on the inside. However, Mmm just didn't know any better: Never before having encountered a race of individuals, Mmm assumed that humanity was a hivemind and that it wouldn't mind losing a few drones to Mmm's curiosity. (When it found out the truth, it was appropriately horrified.)
 
** The ''[[Ender's Game]]'' universe contains basically the same scenario, but worse. The aliens were assumed to be [[Always ChaoticExclusively Evil]] since they slaughtered all of the humans left alive when they captured their ships; it later turned out that they were a [[Hive Mind]], and assumed humanity was the same way. They thought they were just cutting off communications.
* ''[[GURPS|GURPS Aliens]]'' include a hivemind race called Mmm. When first encountered, this creature slaughtered humans just to see what they looked like on the inside. However, Mmm just didn't know any better: Never before having encountered a race of individuals, Mmm assumed that humanity was a hivemind and that it wouldn't mind losing a few drones to Mmm's curiosity. (When it found out the truth, it was appropriately horrified.)
** The ''[[Ender's Game]]'' universe contains basically the same scenario, but worse. The aliens were assumed to be [[Always Chaotic Evil]] since they slaughtered all of the humans left alive when they captured their ships; it later turned out that they were a [[Hive Mind]], and assumed humanity was the same way. They thought they were just cutting off communications.
 
== Video Games ==
 
* In the ''[[Touhou]]'' fandom, Cirno tends to get this treatment. While she was portrayed as somewhat stupid in her first appearance, it has been wholly embraced in subsequent appearances, declaring herself "The strongest!" after bumbling through a few fights in one, and trying to take on what appeared to be a [[Giant Mecha]] in another.
** To be fair to Cirno she says she's the strongest after winning a match and as a playable character she IS''is'' actually capable of defeating EX level bosses. According to [[Word of God]] however she is still an idiot.
 
== Web Original ==
* Gladstone of ''[[Cracked.com]]'' lists [http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-douches-who-amazingly-dont-seem-to-know-they-suck/ 4 Douches Who Amazingly Don't Seem to Know They Suck]. These include people who use a handicap tag for parking without actually needing one, people who grow weary of their customer service job, drivers who honk at other drivers merging onto a highway, and people who overreact to minor inconveniences.
 
== Real Life ==
* [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton:Emperor Norton|His Imperial Majesty Norton I, Emperor of these United States and Protector of Mexico]] was one of these... or [[Obfuscating Insanity|pretended to be]]. Norton was beloved by most of his "subjects". They even used his currency!
 
* Known amongst psychologists as part of the [[Dunning–Kruger effect]]. The less you know on a subject, the more you ''think'' you know.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton His Imperial Majesty Norton I, Emperor of these United States and Protector of Mexico] was one of these... or [[Obfuscating Insanity|pretended to be]]. Norton was beloved by most of his "subjects". They even used his currency!
* Known amongst psychologists as part of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning<!-- E280%93Kruger_effect Dunning–Kruger effect]]. -->
* Most definitely a [[Truth in Television]]. As pointed out above with the Dunning-Kruger Effect, the less you know on a subject, the more you ''think'' you know.
 
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