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* [[Subbing Versus Dubbing|Subs or dubs]]? Have at it, guys!

** Likewise, go to a non-Anime related forum and simply start a discussion about Anime and Manga, or any given show, and you will get at least one person that will bash you and your taste in media, and that [[And That's Terrible|you are watching stuff for kids]] or nothing but hentai and naughty tentacles. And yes, despite all the cries for [[Animation Age Ghetto]] to stop, this even happens on [[TV Tropes]].

** Also, just causally mention that people in Japan are ''not'' as into Anime/Manga as one would think or that only "Weeaboos" think people in Japan like Anime. If you're lucky, you'll manage to survive with only a few minor burns from the ensuing flames.

*** Better yet, try mentioning that most people in Japan are not fans of Anime in general. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

* Shipping wars. No matter what the fandom, they're never pretty.

*** Mention that you actually like Shinn Asuka, Rey za Burrel, or Gilbert Durandal, and prepare to have people (even on this wiki) rant at you for being an idiot who didn't understand the plot and has crappy taste.

*** ''Gundam 00: Awakening of the Trailblazer''. {{spoiler|Aliens.}} you may enjoy the fire.

** Never say a bad word about the Universal Century, or point out the Gundams in it are just as "Hax" as some of the ones in other continuities, they will ''Crucify'' you.

* The great "is downloading fansubs immoral/evil/going to destroy the animation industry as we know it?" debate in anime fandom. Especially dangerous to mention at [[Anime News Network]]. And while you're at it, it's also better that you don't mention [[Geneon]] or [[ADV Films]] as well.

** And for an entirely different subject concerning fansubs: Mention OtaKing when discussing (the quality of) fansubs then run, run away unless you're a masochist.

** Replace "anime fansubs" with "manga scanlations", [[Berserk Button|oh dear...]]

** Now replace "going to destroy" to "is destroying!" Debates occur as to what we can do to prevent SOPA/PIPA/ACTA from getting passed, or how [[Bandai Entertainment]] could've prevented discontinuing anime and manga releases. We'll save you some marshmallows.

* Another topic that can start a fight on this wiki if timed badly: ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]'', manga versus anime.

** To make things worse there are now TWO anime. Which also brings in the whole "remake or not" argument.

** [[Tempting Fate|Ask what Scar's real name is.]] [[Schmuck Bait|We dare you.]] Better yet, bring up the fact that Hiromu Arakawa was ''supposed'' to tell us what it was at the end of the Manga...but never did. If you're not roasted alive by flames, you're a very lucky person.

** In regards to ''[[The Movie|Conqueror of Shamballa]]'', ask whether the "real world" people are or not alternate versions of Greed or Archer. Flames ensue.

** Even [[Woolseyism]] style translations get targeted. Argue the merits of changing ''Pokémon'' names for other markets and get people who claim the only real names are the Japanese ones.

** Or anything about shipping. Or [[Base Breaker|Sasuke]]. Or Itachi {{spoiler|[[Shocking Swerve|really being a good guy]]}}. Or Sakura. Or any main, major, or secondary protagonist. Or ''[[Unpleasable Fanbase|anything]]''! Seriously, the flames created by the fanbase last longer than Amaterasu's.

** Pairing comments. Just pairing comments.

** For even greater lulz, bring up how Women are treated on Naruto ''anywhere'', flames will burn - even though most people are in agreement that being a woman in Naruto SUCKS. But there's always going to be the one person that agrees with the treatment of them - they'll send Orochimaru and Madara after them.

*** Go up to the "fandom feminists" and even ''question'' their constant bashing of the female characters ("Sakura is the worst character ever, even worse than Madara and Orochimaru!" "Hinata is a fat and weak bitch who doesn't deserve Naruto!" "All the women in Naruto are (re: useless, whores, bitches, sluts) and should either die or not exist!" "KISHIMOTO HATES WOMEN!") That will be the death of you. Double if you're a female yourself or a feminist embarrassed by their absolute screeching hate of any Naruto female.

** Just mention the fight between Sasuke and Deidara. The resulting inferno will have Deidara praising you AS A GOD!!!!!

** [[The Reveal]] that the Rinnegan, the eyes that were exclusive to Nagato at the time {{spoiler|was yet another Sharingan upgrade}} didn't sit well with a lot of fans.

** Don't ever pair your [[Original Character]] with any canon character. EVER.

** Go to any forum that talks about ''GX'' and ask if Yubel was a boy or a girl when he/she was human.

** The Dark Armed Dragon cards still causes controversy to this day.

* In the 5D fandom, being a Crow fan is hell.

** Also, don't cross paths with faithful Faithshippers!

** The same reaction will occur if you use just about ''any'' of the names of ''anything'' from the 4Kids version.

** Say that ''Bleach'' or ''Naruto'' have better art. And the flames will be there for long.

** Even ''implying'' that you think one character may have a serious thing for another, even for non-insane or [[Most Fanfic Writers Are Girls|non-fanbratty reasons]], often guarantees trouble. It doesn't matter if you're not even really a shipper; you're still going to upset at least some people who seriously hate the idea of romance in the story.

** Is "haki" a new kind of [[Mana]] or just [[Pure Awesomeness]] applied to willpower?

* Just try to spout an anti-anime opinion and watch yourself rack up those one star ratings.

** And conversely, mention that you like anime on some non-anime boards/sites. Much less a flame war than it is unbridled carnage....

** Debates on who is the best pilot (Specifically Suzaku vs Kallen) tend to end in flame wars. ''Especially'' regarding their final battle in the [[Grand Finale]].

** Or say you like ''R2'' / think it's as good as the original.

*** Wierd. I feel like actually existing...

** Episode 14 of R2 is a '''huge''' point of contention. Was Lelouch really justified in {{spoiler|massacring the children and the non-combatants of the Geass Cult}}, possibly as a [[Shoot the Dog]] scenario? Was he doing this merely as a show of power or a hissy-fit over {{spoiler|Shirley's death at Rolo's hands}}? Did he truly cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]]? And what about {{spoiler|the kids themselves - were they innocent victims of their horrid surroundings, or were they already beyond salvation so there truly was no other thing to do}}? Ask any of these questions and you'll have either rabid Lelouch fangirls/fanboys baring their teeth [[Draco in Leather Pants|at the suggestion that their "pretty Lulu Baby" isn't a poor perfect angel]], or rabid Lelouch haters screaming that [[Ron the Death Eater|he was an horrible monster without any chance of redemption]].

** Do '''not''' read the Morality Stuff about Haruhi, if you want to keep a sane mind.

** And speaking of the franchise rather than its eponymous character, Kadokawa supposedly trolling the ''Haruhi'' fan base, what with the rerun news and the [[YouTube]] Nice Boat incident, has left much of the Internet in rage.

** Endless Eight has careened right into this category, eclipsing the "morality of Haruhi" as the most polarizing subject on the series.

** Is this a dancing anime?

** Oh, and say that [[Bifauxnen|Integra]] is a nice guy, but a bit too feminine for a man. It always divides fans between humorous and irate. Mostly irate.

** "Does Integra become a vampire at the end?" It's best '''not''' to ask...

** Yolei's [[Distant Finale]]. To an extension, anything from [[Grand Finale]] except Ken's future, which managed to be the only one with high levels of awesome.

** Or bring it up to someone who plays in panfandom journal-style RPs, regardless of whether they like Hetalia or not. Unless they play a Hetalia character themselves, be prepared to sit back and listen to a lot of ranting and raving about how Hetalia has totally taken over/ruined their game.

** Then there was the ''tsunami'' of internet outrage when a group of Germany, Prussia and Austria cosplayers did a Nazi salute just ''minutes'' from a Holocaust memorial. [[Fee Fi Faux Pas|On Passover]]. This is not helping ''anyone's'' case any AT ALL.

** Try asking about the countries personified as females in a discussion on gender roles. Watch both sides tear each other apart in arguing whether Hetalia is sexist or not to its females, or even if the countries they represent have as much significance as "First World" nations like America. [[It Got Worse|It gets worse]]. [[Take a Third Option|Taking a third option]] might also not be very wise if the particular discussion is already heated.

** Mention the old version of the main storyline's third chapter, (''G-R Nonaggression Pact?''). See Russian and German fans tear each other down over the ''original'' one [[Old Shame|which Himaruya deleted and remade]] because of the [[Unfortunate Implications]].

** ''Botticelli's Erotic Painting'': Post the translated strips to this old deleted story or ask people their opinions on its content. The fans will tear each other down over whether it was a satire on the effect of banning erotica, if the author was using it as an excuse to showcase a [[Shotacon]] fantasy, or if it's okay to be offended or not in general. France and Spain's behavior alone in the strip is also a very divisive matter among fans as to whether it should still be counted as "canon" or not.

** Call Casca a whore, and declare your own death to such people.

** God forbid if you even mention you like the dubs even for nostalgic sentimental value.

** The 4Kids website has forums, one of which is Sonic based.

** "Like ''Lucky Star''? [[Fan Hater|You're LUCKY you're not banned for STUPID!]]"

** Show this article to any feminist forum, and see a flaming debate between otaku feminists and non-otaku ones.

** Speaking of ''Panty And Stocking'', mention anything about {{spoiler|[[The Stinger]]}} and prepare to run. FAST.

** Say that you didn't mind the ending or that you like any bit of the dreaded second arc. Watch out for the flamethrowers.

** Call Light "Raito". Now watch the angry replies flood in. For added psychotic fan response, call L "Eru".

** In some places, if you dare to mention you like Misa Amane, you'll be eaten alive by her haters and the "feminist fans". (Who coincidentally [[Double Standard|forgive all the shit that L and Light pull on others]] while screaming that Misa is a dumb whore who must die.)

* Depending on the Yuri Forum you're in, mentioning ''[[Kannazuki no Miko]]'' can lead to the internet reaching through your computer screen and slapping you.

* Go to virtually any ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'' Forum and just bring up the slightest hint of Yuuno and Nanoha, half the board will cheer you, half of it will attempt to murder you over the Internet.

** More like 99% will attempt to murder you over the Internet.

** Animesuki has actually calmed down and now accepts most pairings save OC/CC except in rare situations.

** Unless you're begging for hurt, don't mention shipping. No matter who you think Ash ends up with, someone is going to beat you to a pulp for it in favor of another ship. It's gotten better as of late, but it's still dangerous territory.

** Bring up Ash's Pidgeot; it is a sore spot with many fans.

** If you call Lucario, Arcanine, Rotom, or Zoroark a legendary, you WILL get flamed.

*** Speaking of [[The Scrappy|Luca]][[Replacement Scrappy|rio]], go ahead and say that he looks cool. [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Mewtwo]] fans will eat you.

** Try going onto ''any'' Pokémon forum and asking if the movies are canon to the main series. Go on. Ask.

*** All the movies except 6, 9, 12, and 13 (plus the pre-Chronicles specials) are confirmed by the main anime.

** Misty. Never mention her. Ever. Or face an explosion of her fans coming in to defend her and ripping into May or Dawn (both at the same time, sometimes) and watch the board explode with flames and arguments.

** [[Berserk Button|Was Tracy a good character?]]

*** Likewise, the very ''concept'' of trainers now using Legendaries is become a very touchy subject for the fandom.

* Call Usagi "Bunny" or "Serena", Makoto "Lita", or Haruka "Amara" or "Alex" to '''any''' ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' board/fan. Although it's dying off through the older fans (the ones that watched since the first airing in their countries or so), the younger ones are prone to a very destroying fit of nerd rage.

** [[Die for Our Ship]]? ''Never dies''. Mamoru/Usagi vs. Seiya/Usagi? These ''still'' go on and on a decade later...

* [[Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle]]. This should be enough said, but the amount of fan wank that persists over the series is ridiculous. Heaven forbid should you mention that KuroFai is canon (by CLAMP's standards anyway) in front of a KuroTomoyo fan {{spoiler|(for those not read CCS, Tomoyo is canon in love with Sakura)}} or in front of a FaiChii shipper {{spoiler|(the latter who is a 'clone' of Fai's mother)}} you will get torn apart. Then point out to them {{spoiler|that Tomoyo is a lesbian and Chii is Fai's mother.}}

** And that's without even wading into the backdraft a particular [[Vic Mignogna|dub voice actor]] put himself into when he took on the CLAMP fans by telling them Fai wasn't gay, and that Fai obviously liked girls like him. [[Did Not Do the Research|Without researching the character, and without reading the manga first.]] Said VA also used religion as his backdrop for his "Fai is straight" claim, and claimed that ''he asked CLAMP themselves about Fai's sexuality'', something most people doubt has ever happened since the members of CLAMP do not speak English.

** Orihime- even beyond whether she should be with Ichigo- is quite a touchy subject, as any post about her is liable to anger either the part of the Bleach fandom that thinks that she is a wonderful person who has endured so much, who can't do anything wrong (even when she acknowledges herself as flawed) and whom no one should ever dare question, or the part that sees her as a [[Damsel Scrappy]] who is unable to do anything without Ichigo and should be killed for the sake of "feminism", uhm, the story. Say something like that you think Orihime is a good person, but is deprived of opportunities to prove herself or help her friends, and you're likely to offend both.

** Likewise, say anything at all about Ulquiorra. If you say you hate him, then his rabid fangirls unleash ALLCAPSRAEG about how he's just a lonely, sensitive soul and kicks a lot of ass. Say you like him, and the haters spell out how he's an emotionless jackass that mentally tortures Orihime for the evulz. And God help you if you say you love/hate Ulquihime.

** Head to a mainly male board and express how you think Zaraki is secretly screwing Byakuya, or suggest the possibility of an Eleventh Company-wide orgy. They will go mad. Extra points if you say that Kenpachi and Nnoitra would make a good couple.

** If you mention any shipping-related opinion apart from a pro-IchiRuki one in an Ending 19 posting on [[YouTube]], you will get many thumbs down, particularly if you point out how much IchiRuki subtext is anime-only.

** Don't ask about ethnicity in ''Bleach'', especially in the case of Yoruichi. What's especially disturbing about this is the number of people who don't just disagree, but are violently opposed, '''offended''' in fact, at the suggestion [[Ambiguously Brown|that Yoruichi may be black.]] [[Unfortunate Implications|Wonder what their problem is?]]

** Heaven help you if you bring up ''Negima'''s [[Live Action Adaptation]]...

** Or "Kaioken" for that matter.

** Never under ''any'' circumstance ask what the scouter says about '''anyone's''' power level, no matter [[Memetic Mutation|how famous]] [[Over Nine Thousand|the answer may be.]]

** Don't make the mistake of confusing [[Viewer Gender Confusion|Frieza's gender]].

*** Also, don't ever say that you prefer Linda Young to Chris Ayres or '''''Nakao Ryusei'''''.

** Superman vs. Goku. It's opening up a can of worms.

** Ask who does a better job of voicing Kid/Teen Gohan in the Funimation dub, Stephanie Nadolny (DBZ) or Colleen Clinkenbeard (Kai), congradulations you have started a flame war.

* It is not wise to bring up ''Kodomo no Jikan'' anywhere, except perhaps for /c/.

** People who like Kamina get bashed for being fanboys. People who like Simon get bashed for not recognising how GAR Kamina is. Don't bring up the possibility of Viral being a better character. And don't you even ''think'' of mentioning Rossiu either.

* Post an [[Netorare|NTR]] pretty much anywhere on 4chan. /h/ is optimal, but it'll get a reaction even in /a/.

** [[Toonami]] is pretty much a taboo subject on 4chan nowadays since the users there would rather be seen as complete social pariahs rather than allowing the hobby to become popular.

* Do not suggest that Japanese toy company Yamato has bad quality control, or that equally Japanese toy company Bandai makes better [[Super Dimension Fortress Macross|Macross]] toys than Yamato on the [http://www.macrossworld.com MacrossWorld forums]. You're likely to get flamed for it. The truth is that Yamato has ongoing quality-control problems (since, like, 10 years), which tend to result in major breakages on multi-hundred-dollar toys and an on-going business in replacement parts, and of which [[Fan Dumb|the fans are simply in total denial]].

** The mere mention of [[Macross Frontier|Ranka Lee]] can send half the ''Frontier'' fans in incontrollable hategasms. This would be funny to watch if not for them [[Kick the Dog|being assholes to]] [[Megumi Nakajima|her seiyuu]] [[Kick the Dog|as well]].

** The wanky reputation of the Frontier fandom is NOT helped by a massive case of [http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2585414#post2585414 false information released by a former BNF]. Discussing the canonicity of this, that, and whatever can bring up pretty brutal flame wars.

** As well as questioning the state of anime and how it has gotten "stale". You will be considered pathetic.

*** It also suffers from a shipping war amongst Rena/Keiichi and Mion/Keiichi fans.

* Go find any ''[[Katekyo Hitman Reborn]]'' fans that you can, and casually bring up whether 8059 is better than 5927 or not.

** Do not ever mention any pairing on any ''Reborn!'' related forum, if you want to stay alive.

** [[Viewer Gender Confusion|"Is Chrona]] [[Ambiguous Gender|a boy or girl?"]] And...cue the ensuing flame war.

** And, for heaven's sake, ''don't'' bring up the possibility he's asexual. Don't. Just... Don't, more like symmetrisexual.

** And what about {{spoiler|his [[Face Heel Turn]]}}? ... [[Tempting Fate|Whoops.]]

** Say "Soul Eater ripped off Harry Potter". Do it. '''I dare you.''' You will set the entire internet ablaze, and the fandom will call you a heretic/bastard/other unspeakable things.

** Excalibur can be seen as a hilarious character, or the most annoying in anime, depending on who you talk to.

** /a/ has already given up on this in official translations, but is it [[Macekre]] or [[Woolseyism]] when a fansubbing group translates around [[Honorifics]]? The flame will burn forever.

** And if we go to love triangles, let's add "how dare you think that the tomboy shouldn't get the guy she may or may not be interested in?! YOU'RE ANTI FEMINIST!?". [[Bleach|Ichigo/Rukia fangirls]] are specially infamous for this one.

** Go to any decently active ''Tenchi'' web community and mention [[Mona Marshall]]'s name. People will come at you with hot plasma pitchforks saying she's either not the real Ryoko or that she ruined Ryoko and/or ''Tenchi'' forever.

** And be ''very'' careful in debating pairings in the series. In example: Does {{spoiler|Sayaka and Kyouko}}'s relationship count as prospect [[Yuri]]? Were {{spoiler|Kyouko}}'s feelings and her willingness to {{spoiler|go through an [[Heroic Sacrifice]] for Sayaka}} a show of either explicit or potential romantic lesbian love, or just born from a motherly/sisterly instinct? Is {{spoiler|Sayaka}}'s crush on Kamijou detrimental or not for her character as a whole? You're crazy, {{spoiler|Sayaka}} would never be a lesbian, she's too in love with {{spoiler|Kamijou}} and would never ever return a girl's crush on her! You stupid homophobe, {{spoiler|Sayaka}}'s crush on {{spoiler|Kamijou}} is antifeminist and heterosexist and makes her weak, she'll only be cool by falling for a woman and not for an icky man! 14-year-old girls are way too young to know ''anything'' about lesbianism, you sick fuckers! WHY DID YOU ASK THAT YOU IDIOT, SEE THE FLAAAAAMEEEEES!

** Never mention that this isn't a typical magical girl show. Either you'll be flamed for ''daring'' to think it could've been like the standard, you'll get called "stupid" for any opinions on how [[True Art Is Angsty]], or you'll see the old "THIS IS JUST FOR CREEPY OLDER MEN, WAH WAH!" debate in regards to [[Moe]] and [[Fan Service]].

** And now that the series has ended, there is already much heated debate about {{spoiler|the ending, in which Madoka ''literally'' becomes a God.}} Talk about this in forums and '''boom''' goes the dynamite.

** "Is Madoka Magica a [[Deconstruction]] or not in the end?" NOOOOOO! YOU BIIIIITCH! YOU BIIIIIITCH!

** If you say you'd rather [[Take a Third Option]] and ship [[Foe Yay|Ciel and Alois]] instead? ''No. You're not safe, either.''

*** Alois, Claude and the whole second season are also very, '''very''' hot topics. And by hot, we mean "'''''FIERY'''''"!

**** Or say that you approved of {{spoiler|Claude killing Alois}}. '''THE FLAMES, THEY BURN!'''

* ''[[Inuyasha]]'' has tons of these when it comes to pairings [[Unpleasable Fanbase|IN GENERAL]]. Just bring up InuKag or InuKik. They will ''murder'' you.

** Also, there's not even the need of bringing Inuyasha himself into this. Just ask about the merits of Kagome and Kikyou as characters and you'll have a truly epic flame war in your hands. Is Kagome a stressed girl who was thrust into a really rocky situation and tries to deal like a normal person would, or a whiny [[Mary Sue]] who bitches way too much and gets away with shit that others wouldn't? Is Kikyou a selfcentered bitch who'll throw everyone under the bus to get what she wants, or a truly [[Broken Bird]] who has gone through way too much crap in both of her lives? Bring on the firefighters!

** Even easier! Ask anyone if Naraku is a [[Villain Sue]] or not. You'll be dead in minutes.

* Anime Conventions are usually looked at with disdain at some anime dedicated forums and imageboards who think the exposure of your interest to anime to the public world should be kept a dirty secret locked away in a dark cold place like some sort of [[Artifact of Doom]].

** When you bring up a certain scene from episode 14, be careful. If someone leans in favor of either {{spoiler|Shouma}} or {{spoiler|Ringo}} in there, a [[Flame War]] will likely erupt.

** Episode 18 (more specifically, how {{spoiler|Kanba managed to not lose his arms}} and {{spoiler|Tabuki changing his mind and saving Himari from falling to her death}}) shall not be mentioned on /a/ unless you DO want a flamewar.

** For a bonus, ask whether [[Takahashi Couple|Ranma/Akane]] is [[Domestic Abuse|an abusive relationship]] or not. Add a question about ''who'' is the one to blame: Akane and her tendence to beat Ranma when he displeases her, or Ranma with his constant verbal abuse of Akane. Roast your mashmallows, and double if you bring the other girls and say that either they're more maliciously abusive than Akane would ever be, or that they'd worship and love Ranma more than Akane ever would do.

* It's best not to wonder what the ''[[Wandering Son]]'' characters sexualities are. Also, similar to [[Yotsuba&!]], posting or even mentioning porn - or sexuality period - of the characters isn't well received (especially on /a/).

* ''[[Tiger and Bunny]]''. We dare you to say you don't like [[Hero Protagonist|Kotetsu]]; rest assured, you'll be dead in five seconds flat.

* [[Moe]] as a whole has become one of the most divisive topics of discussion within the anime fan/otaku community in the last decade. Is it a genre? An aesthetic? Both? Neither? Many fans of more action-oriented fare have come to hate moe (and the closely related [[Harem Genre|harem]] and [[Slice of Life]] shows that have become very popular among a sizeable segment of the otaku community) for [[Ruined FOREVER|"ruining modern anime"]] and act as though moe shows are the worst thing that's ever happened to anime or, in extreme cases, humanity as a whole. And let's not even get into the big question: whether moe encourages the objectification and submission of women (and is thus misogynistic) or not. Of course, many of the people who do claim it's misogynistic are the same people who loudly praise more action-oriented and/or plot-heavy fare, so some of its loudest critics on the misogyny topic may really just be pissed off about there not being as many action or shows as they'd like...

** Try bringing up the '''four''' different ''Utena'' canons: the TV series, the manga by Chiho Saitou, the ''Adolescence Mokushiroku'' movie, and the manga based on [[The Movie]]. Within seconds, fans that support one of these medias will try to murder the fans who prefer the others. In particular, may God help you if you happen to prefer the first manga over the series; in fact, having a positive opinion of Saitou at all can get you slapped by those who think she's a homophobic so-and-so.

** We also dare you to ever insinuate you don't ship Utena/Anthy. The Utena/Anthy rabid fans will tear you alive and accuse you of being an homophobe, regardless of your stance on LGBT rights on [[Real Life]].

*** Speaking of LGBT matters, discussing the characters' sexual orientations can be a messy affair. (Is Utena straight, bisexual or lesbian? Is Touga straight or bi? Could Shiori ever reciprocate Juri's feelings for her? And so on.) Wherever you stand, blood is gonna fly.

*** Anthy Himemiya herself is the biggest [[Base Breaker]] in the fandom. There's '''''no''''' middle ground on a character as complex as she is, specially on {{spoiler|her relationship with Akio}} and {{spoiler|her stabbing Utena at the end}}. Is she a person who is broken beyond belief after {{spoiler|a millenia of pain and abuse}}, or a [[Manipulative Bitch]] who played everyone as fools as {{spoiler|her revenge for said millenia of pain and abuse}}? Either way, don't ask: the mere mention of Anthy can send everyone into hategasms or lovegasms.

 

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