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* The Oscars are always going to cause epic flame wars, no matter what films win, lose, or don't get nominated in the first place. Some notable examples
** 1998: ''[[Shakespeare in Love]]'' winning Best Picture over ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'', not helped by the backlash against the Weinstein's massive Oscar campaign for the former
** 2006: Nothing makes old wounds ache like bringing up ''[[Crash (Filmfilm)|Crash]]'' winning in 2006 over ''[[Brokeback Mountain]]''.
** 2007: ''[[The Golden Compass]]'' winning Best Visual Effects over ''[[Transformers (Filmfilm)|Transformers]]''.
** 2009: ''[[The Dark Knight]]'' (and to a lesser extent ''[[WALL-E]]'') not receiving Best Picture nods (while the much less well received [[Oscar Bait]] ''[[The Reader (Literature)|The Reader]]'' did) caused enough backlash to inspire the Academy to expand the Best Picture category from five to ten films. Still pisses off a lot of people though
** 2010: ''Avatar'' losing Best Picture to ''[[The Hurt Locker]]'' is going to be [[Flame Bait]] for years to come. Revolutionary, breath-taking epic snubbed in favor of obscure, angsty, [[War Is Hell|war-is-hell]] critical darling just because of the [[Sci Fi Ghetto]] / [[Animation Age Ghetto]] / [[True Art Is Not Popular]] and people hatin' on [[James Cameron]]? Or bloated, derivative, overhyped, overrated spectacle getting a deserved slapdown in favor of honest, relevant filmmaking? Or did neither of them deserve it and [[Quentin Tarantino|Quentin]] [[Inglorious Basterds|Tarantino]]/[[Pixar]] [[Up (Filmanimation)|Studios]] get screwed again?
** 2011 with major [[Fandom Rivalry]] between ''[[The Social Network]]'' and ''[[The King's Speech]]'' fans (Innovative, relevant and edgy film about youth culture versus prime [[Oscar Bait]]? Or well-acted, emotional piece against superficially clever film [[Too Soon|lacking historical distance from its subject?]]) with input from the ''[[Toy Story 3]]'', ''[[Inception]]'' and ''[[True Grit]]'' fans. Further inflamed by [[Christopher Nolan]] not even receiving a nomination for Best Director, joining Tarantino in the "Just what the hell do these directors have to ''do'' to get Academy recognition!?!" club.
** 2012: [[Meryl Streep]] vs. Viola Davis. Was Meryl long overdue? Was Viola robbed? And then bring race issues into it, and prepare to watch the Internet go up in toasty, toasty flames.
** This trope is [[Older Than You Think]], predating the internet as we know it. ''[[Forrest Gump]]'' beat ''[[Pulp Fiction]]'' and ''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'' in 1994, ''[[Dances Withwith Wolves]]'' beat [[Goodfellas]] in 1990, ''[[Ordinary People]]'' won instead of ''[[Raging Bull]]'' in 1980, ''[[Kramer vs. Kramer]]'' won over ''[[Apocalypse Now]]'' in 1979, ''[[My Fair Lady]]'' beat out ''Dr. Strangelove'' in 1964, and so on and so on. Not to mention the dozens of brilliant films that were never nominated.
*** Another source of irritation is the way the Academy treats the major awards like lifetime achievement awards at times. Thus, Marlon Brando wins Best Actor for ''[[The Godfather (Film)|The Godfather]]'', when the award should have gone to Al Pacino (who inexplicably was nominated for Supporting Actor that year). Pacino eventually won for ''Scent of a Woman'', even though arguably it was the weakest performance out of those nominated in 1993.
** Let's just say this is why [[Award Snub]] no longer allows examples on that page.
** Speaking of Academy and Oscar awards, tell anyone that you think ''[[Juno]]'' was a great movie and deserved all the awards it won. You will be flamed and mutilated endlessly.
** Until [[Martin Scorsese]] won an Oscar, a common trope on film nerd boards was "I guess the Academy thinks {{[INSERT WINNER HERE}}] is better than Scorsese!", whether or not he was even nominated that year. It got old fast.
* As follows from the [[Not Using the Z Word]] article, there have been some pretty nerdy debates on whether the Infection in ''[[Twenty Eight Days Later|28 Days Later]]'' is zombie-like in nature, whether the movie "counted" as a zombie film and the various ethical debates within the series. The "WAI NO ZOMBEES??" debate is the main one, unfortunately, as no one apparently cares about what the plot was for -- just, why the hell aren't those zombies lusting for human flesh and lurching appropriately?
* Go to any sci-fi related forum and claim that Harrison Ford's Deckard in ''[[Blade Runner]]'' is/isn't a replicant.
* Wanna start a [[Flame War|flame war]] within the ''[[Godzilla]]'' fandom? It's easy. Just mention that the American remake of ''Godzilla'' is even slightly good.
** For added flames, mention that you liked ''Godzilla's Revenge''.
** Likewise, just casually ask whether or not [[King Kong]], [[Gamera]], or, more recently, the [[Cloverfield]] monster could beat Godzilla. Then, sit back, relax, and enjoy the oncoming flames.
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* Unless you want to start a massive flame war with Serbian internet goers, you probably shouldn't even mention Angelina Jolie's directorial debut ''[[In The Land Of Blood And Honey]]''.
** Check out [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDBU8CqU0dg the trailer]'s comments for more examples than you could shake a stick at.
* Go to any ''[[Batman]]''/movie forum/YouTube video and say you prefer the [[Tim Burton]] 1989 ''[[Batman (Filmfilm)|Batman]]'' or for that matter any Batman film from 1966 to ''Begins'' as opposed to ''[[Dark Knight Trilogy|The Dark Knight]]'' and watch the fanboys attack. Seriously, when they start claiming that [[Heath Ledger]] actually became [[The Joker]], mention how him terrorizing cities in real life had no press coverage.
** Same goes for saying that you prefer the new one to the old one.
** And just for laughs: Who is the better Batman?
*** Better yet: Who was the best Bruce Wayne in addition to who was the best Batman?
** Recipe for complete destruction: "Joel Schumacher made WAAAAAAY better Batman movies than Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton put together."
* Back when the movie ''[[Constantine (Film)|Constantine]]'' was released, stating that the movie version was superior to [[Hellblazer (Comic Book)|his comic counterpart]] would result in 10+ pages worth of rants and flames on forums.
* Do ''not'' mention the [[Joel Schumacher]] film on a ''[[The Phantom of the Opera|Phantom of the Opera]]'' forum. On one discussion forum, the pro-film and anti-film parties were segregated into separate threads to keep the peace. The drama has subsided somewhat due to the various factions [[Broken Base|quietly ignoring each other]], but still... enough lives have been lost already.
** Don't mention him near the ''[[Batman]]'' fans either... it's not pretty.
* In the "Phantom" vein, don't ever, ever, EVER, say that you like the Tim Burton ''[[Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (Filmfilm)|Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street]]'' movie around musical theater fans, or say that you like the original stage play around Johnny Depp fangirls. Either way, you're gonna get burned.
** Better yet, don't say that both versions have a lot of good points and you don't see what's so bad about one or the other.
* ''[[High School Musical]]''...pretty much for its mere existence.
* The latest ''[[Star Trek (Filmfilm)|Star Trek]]'' movie generated these, even before opening. This has led to "Post this and get banned" notices at several bulletin boards.
** Give it anything but complete praise and you ''will'' get attacked... even if you write a ''positive'' review. On one major fansite [[8.8|a score of a 6]] provoked a huge amount of hate mail-a 6 was also given by the author to ''The Voyage Home'', and that score is higher than the ones for The Search for Spock, The Final Frontier and Nemesis. But still, ''it wasn't a 10'', so it was bad.
** Among some groups saying anything positive about the film will get you attacked as a moron or someone who hates what ''[[Star Trek (Franchise)|Star Trek]]'' is supposed to stand for.
* ''[[Star Wars]]'' there's lots of fun here. Some highlights:
** Try saying you liked any of the prequels (Episode I if you are brave).
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** Imply Curtis Saxton's data in the technical manuals is anything less than accurate or honest.
* Go into any horror movie forum and bring up the issue of whether ''[[Evil Dead]] II'' is a remake, reboot, or sequel. No matter what side you support (or even if you're neutral), you're bound to stir up some flames.
* ''[[Goodfellas]]'' vs. ''[[The Godfather (Film)|The Godfather]]'', or the directorial skills of [[Francis Ford Coppola|Coppola]] vs. [[Martin Scorsese|Scorsese]].
* With critics savagely blasting ''[[Transformers (Filmfilm)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', they appear to have designated themselves to be the recipients of extra strength flames (Most notably [[Roger Ebert]], [https://web.archive.org/web/20130207230653/http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/07/i_am_a_brainiac.html who then responded to the hate mail from his initial review] not unlike [[Zero Punctuation|Yatzhee]] and ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]. Brawl'', noted below). On top of that, there's [[Uncle Tomfoolery|the Twins]], who made the medias implode over the perceived racism.
* The ''[[Twilight (Literaturenovel)|Twilight]]'' movies. Quick ways to piss off entire forums: [[Stephenie Meyer]]'s "dream team" casting should have been put into place by Summit. [[Robert Pattinson]] is the best/worst Edward ever. Same for [[Kristen Stewart]] and Bella. Taylor Lautner should have been fired. Bryce Dallas Howard will make a FAR better Victoria. [[New Moon]] was horrible. Twilight's special effects were awesome. And, easiest of all: there should be no sex in [[Breaking Dawn]], because won't anyone think of the children?
** When ''Eclipse'' led the [[Golden Raspberry Award|Razzies]] nominations along with ''[[The Last Airbender]]'', the fandom quickly went to the awards website to complain (though it got there more due to overexposure than due to the film being ''that'' bad).
* ''[[Avatar (Filmfilm)|Avatar]]'' is a good source of [[Internet Backdraft]]. Especially when you put them in [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny|fights against]] [[Warhammer 4000040,000|less]] [[Aliens|idealistic]] [[Command and& Conquer|worlds]]. Some will use this as an outlet to kill the Na'vi while others will view this with disgust
** Even better, the plot of the film alone is enough to start a flame war. Especially if you compare it to ''[[Fern Gully]]'', ''[[Dances Withwith Wolves]]'', and/or ''[[Pocahontas]]''.
*** Note, however, that this is usually not so much because of any disagreement about the validity of the comparisons (assuming the issue is even considered relevant) as the jokes being ''supremely'' stale. Even people who agreed, for instance, that the creators of ''[[Lost]]'' were making it up as they went along got sick to death of jokes about this long before the series finale came.
* "Is ''Shock Treatment'' a sequel or not?" The official answer: {{spoiler|yes and no. It does take place AFTER ''[[Rocky Horror Picture Show]]'', but it's not a continuation of the first film}}. Try telling that to the fandom, though.
** Likewise, never, ''never'', '''NEVER''' mention that you find the [[Audience Participation]] in ''Rocky Horror'' to be pointless or a "silly gimmick that's the only thing keeping a mediocre cult film alive". You will be burned by flames.
* The remake of ''[[A Nightmare Onon Elm Street]]'' and how Robert Englund and only Robert Englund is allowed to play Freddy Krueger. You'd think casting Jackie Earle Haley as everyones' favorite claw-handed killing machine was a crime worse than the Lindbergh kidnapping the way some of the fanboys are carrying on about it.
* To this very day there are flamewars over which parent in ''[[Mrs. Doubtfire (Film)|Mrs. Doubtfire]]'' was actually sympathetic. It basically boils down to "Miranda was a total bitch and Daniel was just a guy who loved his kids and would do anything to be with them" vs. "Miranda was the only responsible person in the house and Daniel was a pathetic, whiny, slightly creepy jerk worthy of contempt". And it's not just limited to the film's IMDB board either. The film's entry in the [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] page of this very wiki used to be full of [[Natter]] from Team Miranda vs. Team Daniel.
* Want to start a [[Flame War]] within ''[[The Lion King]]'' fandom? [[Two Words|Four Words]]: [[Kimba the White Lion]].
** Heck, the same could be said if it's vice versa.
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** In general, try to avoid dissing [[Christopher Nolan]].
* ''[[Shutter Island]]'': the debate over whether or not {{spoiler|Teddy is insane.}}
* Ask people on the [[That Guy With the Glasses (Website)|That Guy With theThe Glasses]] forums if they'll buy a DVD or go see a live screening of ''[[The Room]]'' now.
* Sites boycotting the film ''[[Twenty One21 (Film2008 film)||Twenty One]]'' popped up in the aftermath of the "whitewash casting" controversy, and there were many netizens hating on Jeff Ma, who had a cameo in the film but didn't push for an Asian to be cast as the lead.
* Whatever you do, don't mention how similar ''[[Repo the Genetic Opera|Repo! The Genetic Opera]]'' is to ''[[Repo Men]]'' in the presence of the fans of either. There will be blood.
* Just for giggles, post a video on [[YouTube]] with the ever-popular song "[[Team America: World Police|America! FUCK YEAH!]] and enjoy the political [[Flame War]] that is to follow.
** Actually, post ANY video on ANY subject on Youtube, and be prepared for massive amounts of jingoism, xenophobia, and opinionated political grandstanding. I've seen flame-wars about Obama's presidency pop up on Spongebob Squarepants videos. I'm not even kidding.
* ''[[Inception]]'' versus ''[[Paprika]]'', and whether the former is just an unimaginative rip-off of the latter (not helped by Nolan admitting ''[[Paprika]]'' influenced ''[[Inception]]'' a great deal)
** You could probably diffuse both parties by giving them a little push toward the [[Philip K Dick|Philip K. Dick]] section of Amazon.
** And while we're on ''[[Inception]]'', {{spoiler|Whether the top fell at the end or not. It got to the point where people contacted the costumer to see whether the kids at the end were wearing different clothes than the ones they wore throughout the rest of the film [[Word of God|(They were)]], and to where Cracked.com had to moderate its own page on the film after ''[[Serial Escalation|commenters started analyzing the spin of the top just to see if the lean exceeded the amount allowed by gravity]]''.}}
* ''EVERY TIME'' a new movie enters the [[IMDb]] Top 250. No matter what, there's always a complaint when someone brings it up.
* ''[[The Dark Knight Rises]]'': Given the success and excitement surrounding the previous films, backdraft was pretty much inevitable, with arguments essentially boiling down to [[Jumping the Shark|"Nolan has jumped the shark]]" vs [[Memetic Mutation|"In Nolan We Trust"]]. Some highlights include:
** Whether [[Anne Hathaway]] can pull off Catwoman (Similar arguments surrounded whether [[Tom Hardy]] could pull off Bane, [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|but these have quieted down a great deal since]] [http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llmhpb4wU91qal5uuo1_500.jpg the first still of Bane in costume was released.]
** Whether [[Marion Cotillard]] is/is not Talia Al'Ghul (Bonus points for mentioning that Josh Pence will be playing a young Ras Al'Ghul, that Joey King looks like a young Marion, and [[Epileptic Trees|theorizing that]] [[Joseph Gordon -Levitt]] [[Epileptic Trees|will turn out to be the Riddler]])
** Whether Bane makes a good final villain. Supporters emphasize that [[Genius Bruiser|Comic-Book Bane]] is NOTHING like [[Batman and Robin (Filmfilm)|Schumacher]] [[Dumb Muscle|Bane]] and cite the Knightfall story arc of how {{spoiler|Bane broke Batman's back}} as a good jumping-off point for a finale, while detractors claim that Bane has nothing going for him other than the fact that he {{spoiler|broke Batman's back}}, claiming that any other villain (the most popular choice being the Riddler) would make a better final enemy.
** What role the League of Shadows will play, and whether or not Lazarus Pits will be involved, one side claiming that they wouldn't fit into Nolan's hyper realist approach while others claiming [[Creator Worship|Nolan is just so awesome he could figure out a way to make it work.]]
** Whether there are too many/too few/just the right amount of villains
** Whether or not Nolan should break his "no sidekicks" rule and include Robin, which often descend into arguments about whether you like Robin in general
** [[Unfortunate Implications]] ([[Race Lift|THEY GOT A WHITE DUDE TO PLAY BANE!?!]] [[Christopher Nolan|NOLAN]] [[Women in Refrigerators|CAN'T WRITE WOMEN!]])
** Even the ''title'' has people complaining about how much it sucks.
* Never, ''ever'', '''''EVER''''' say that you like the ''[[Harry Potter]]'' films more than the books. You will be ripped to shreds by the fandom. Even on ''[[This Very Wiki|this very wiki.]]''
** Steve Kloves (the screenwriter for all the movies except ''[[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film)|Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix]]'') gets a lot of hate for the changes he made to the book. Ron/Hermione shippers (and Ron fans in general), despise him in particular for his treatment of Ron (giving many of his best lines to other characters, removing a lot of his intelligence and making him much more goofy and essentially reducing his role in the trio to [[Plucky Comic Relief]]) and Hermione (giving her many of the best lines, including several of Ron's, playing up her intelligence and competence to almost [[Mary Sue]]-ish proportions), and his seeming preference for [[Fan -Preferred Couple|Harry/Hermione]]. Not helped by Kloves saying that his favorite character is Hermione and many Harmonians (militant H/Hr shippers) citing the movies as evidence for their 'ship (Despite the fact that the movies aren't, y'know...canon)
** Also don't lament against ''The Prisoner Of Azkaban'' (The Harry Potter equivalent of ''[[The Empire Strikes Back]]'') if you know what's good for you (especially not if it's ''The Chamber of Secrets'', the equivalent of ''[[The Phantom Menace]]'')
** Also which Dumbledore is better? Older fans will tell you Richard Harris and his [[Cool Old Guy]], [[The Obi-Wan]], authoratative portrayal was the best against the flamboyant, expressive, [[Large Ham]]-like Michael Gambon. The others would say Michael Gambon gave Dumbledore more depth and Richard Harris was just giving a Santa Claus-like portrayal. Either way the results are very ugly
* ''[[Sucker Punch]]''. Hoo boy. Either it is an unabashed ode to all things geeky or an incomprehensible mess of [[Author Appeal]] and [[Male Gaze]] with a more than healthy dose of [[Unfortunate Implications]]. Bonus points if you use "video game" to describe it negatively.
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** The timelines. Good grief, the timelines. There will be heated arguments if you ask whether the original films are a circular timeline (ie the aftermath of the final film takes the world right back to the first film and the world's eventual distruction) or if Zira and Cornelius changed the future by returning to the past. (Hasselin's 'multi-lane highway theory' with its many variations).
** Can happen if you say you like 'Battle',which many consider the weakest film of all the originals.
* Never, ever, '''EVER''' mention these two words to a ''[[Paul (Film)|Paul]]'' fan: ''[[Scott Pilgrim (Comic Book)|Scott...Pilgrim...]]'' They will skin you alive. There are a few ''Paul'' fans who like ''Scott Pilgrim'', but the majority of them despise it with a passion, passing it off as an "unfunny, geeky comic/film for boneheaded gaming nerds who like video game [[Shout -Out|shout-outs]], [[Toilet Humor|pee jokes]], homosexuality, and random humor". (Never mind the fact that ''Paul'' had lots of shout-outs, pee jokes, and homosexual jokes as well, had a ''Scott Pilgrim: Odds and Ends'' book seen in the background of a comic book shop in one scene, and [[Simon Pegg]] himself has even stated that he loves ''Scott Pilgrim''.) For example, a [[YouTube]] upload of the [[Electric Light Orchestra|ELO]] song ''All Over the World'' (which played during the end credits and epilogue of ''Paul'') had a person comment on the video saying "''Paul is this year's Scott Pilgrim!''", and then a douchebag replied to him with a comment that said something like "''Except Paul was actually a good, funny movie''", the latter comment ended up getting more thumbs up than the former comment.
* Go to a [[Hunger Games]] fan forum and bring up [[Battle Royale]] and how the former rips off the latter.
** Or vice versa, go to a [[Battle Royale]] forum and tell them how you DON'T think [[Hunger Games]] is a rip off. Go on.
* A lot of [[Mel Gibson (Creator)|Mel Gibson]]'s work, particularly after the ''[[Lethal Weapon (Film)|Lethal Weapon]]'' series.
* Zeist in ''[[Highlander II the Quickening]]''. That is all.
** Worse, say you like ''[[Highlander: theThe Source (Film)|Highlander the Source]]'' and see what happens.
** Some will do it with any of the sequels, as they only like the original and the TV series.
** Ask whether Duncan or Connor are better.
 
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