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=== [[Fridge Logic]] ===

=== [[Fridge Horror]] ===

 

* Braig's eye damage. Eeew....

** [[Eye Scream]] is bad enough, but let's make it even worse: {{spoiler|the fountain of darkness that erupted from it when he was hit kind of implied that it was ''burned out.'' It doesn't help that the dark smoke kind of looked rust red instead of purple due to the yellow background...}}

* There's a very good reason [[Never Say "Die"]] is averted in this game. Remember this games occurs before Xehanort begins his experiments on the Heartless and they invade the realm of light. The Heartless stole hearts from their victims, but the Unversed are just monsters, sure they feed on negative emotions but it's never shown they were stealing hearts or transforming other people into Unversed, in fact the latter would go against their creation story. Never Say Die is averted hard because ''death is what actually happens to victims of Unversed''. Losing your heart to a Heartless and being transformed into one is unheard of in this world, "death" is the only way to describe what occurs to people who, well, die.

** Remember in the first ''Kingdom Hearts'' and its sequel, when you lost Sora was shown floating in a black void with his heart hovering over him. ''Birth By Sleep'' shows you floating in a black void, no heart overheard. Think about what has ''actually'' happened to your character when they run of out HP in this game with the knowledge that the Unversed have no interest in taking your heart...

 

=== [[Fridge Brilliance]] ===

*** {{spoiler|The problem is, Olympus Colliseum, Disney Town/Castle and Neverland are basically in exactly the wrong position for this Fridge Brilliance to work. On the other hand, it's never explicitly said that the ways between the worlds in ''KHI'' are the same as the [[Lanes Between]], plus the worlds ''could'' have been drifting around since ''BBS''.}}

*** As [[Tropers/Alex Sora 89|I]] said in this [[Wall of Text]]-like [[Fridge Brilliance]], it's like the [[World Map]] of ''BBS'' literally mirrors the one from the first game. Disney Castle and Olympus Colosseum were in the left edge of the world map in the first game. ''BBS'' places them in the right edge. ''[[The Dev Team Thinks of Everything|And once again... the Fridge Brilliance WORKS.]]''

**** Remember in Kingdom Hearts 1, after you rescue Kairi? Cid says the former gummi ship path to Hollow Bastion is too dangerous to take... so he shows you a back door that leads straight to it from Traverse Town. Now, Disney Castle is right beside Traverse Town, so if one looked at the map from the new path's perspective... then it would appear that Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden really IS right beside Disney Castle. It would make sense too, how Cid would bring the refugees to the closest world and then close off the path, thus making anyone who wanted to follow have to take the long way around. The Fridge Brilliance works!

**** But why would Olympus Collosseum and Neverland still be in the other side? (That and I'd always thought that back door sort of went "around" the other worlds, considering the way it sort of went off the edge of the world map in the first game.)

{{quote|'''Xigbar''':"I guess that must be why the Keyblade chose you. But MAN, did it pick a dud this time. You don't look like you're half the hero the others were."}}

*** [[Chain of Memories]] also makes sense from this explanation. Sora, being so close to Ventus's body, ended up unlocking some of Ven's skills. Thus letting him do crazy stuff that he hasn't been able to do before!

** Apparently, Mark Hamill and [[Leonard Nimoy]] were chosen for their roles almost specifically because they were in [[Star Wars]] and [[Star Trek]]. I'm just surprised I haven't heard any comments about Star Trek being "The Dark Side."

* Sora caused everything. No, really. Alright, Master Xehanort might've had a more obvious hand in everything, ''but'', {{spoiler|had Sora not fused his heart to Ven's, Ven would have died. Had he not taken the alive - but nearly comatose - Ven to the Land of Departure, Xehanort might not have ever never returned there. Thus, he might never have met Terra, and thus never have decided to use Terra as his vessel for his [[Grand Theft Me]] scheme. True, as the secret ending hinted, he had other options, but Sora's interference changed things.}}

** I... think that might count as [[Fridge Horror]].

** That's what it was listed as before it was moved here.

* Terra's penultimate and final bosses. Think about it. In the preceding cutscene, Terra goes into full darkness rage mode. Master Xehanort is trying to goad him into darkness. During the battle, Master Xehanort is pretty passive. He sometimes teleports in to smack you, but largely he lets you come to him. Thus, Terra is fighting in a very aggressive darkness way. {{spoiler|When Terra gets possessed and you fight as the Lingering Sentiment,}} this way of fighting will get you killed. {{spoiler|Terranort}} is aggressive and can counterattack most of your standard attacks. The best tactic? Sitting back and guarding all his darkness projectiles back at him or countering his physical attacks - the exact opposite of the fight with Master Xehanort.

* Let's think about something here. Roxas looks like Ventus. Roxas is Sora's Nobody. Sora and Roxas are identical in appearance, particularly their facial features, which means that Sora and Ven are also identical. Coincidence? I think not. {{spoiler|Before he was born, Sora used his own heart to fix Ven's. Since then, they formed a connection. As a result, Sora received some of Ven's traits as well, particularly his facial features, and that's why they look so similar!}}

** I'm confused. When exactly did the Fake Ansem "kick Riku's heart out"? Riku was still there to hold him back enough time for Kairi to escape, and he only returns once Sora defeats him. Even right before fighting the Fake Ansem, he shows up in Riku's form. Besides, in any case, as I replied to the [[Fridge Horror]] above, there was really little of Terra in that Ansem.

*** Actually, what the first poster says is true about Riku's heart. Xehanort's heart really did eject Riku's from his body after Riku began fighting back. A scene from the first Final Mix was added in to show that Riku's heart had made it to where the Door to Darkness would appear. That's where he met Mickey and that is why they both appeared on the other side of the door. Xehanort did learn from his mistake with Terra, even if he may or may not have remembered when he did the same thing to Terra that he did to Riku.

* This troper [[User:Alex Sora 89|(still me, guys)]] just had a relatively minor realization. Why the [[Field of Blades]] that is [[The Very Definitely Final Dungeon|Keyblade]] [[Scenery Gorn|Graveyard]] has many keyblades from [[Kingdom Hearts II]] (like the [[Pirates of the Caribbean|Follow The Wind]] or the [[Final Fantasy VII|Fenrir]], just to name two) and from the first KH? [[Call Forward]]? No, it's just that those worlds were still existing, and they never got caught in the darkness.

* I hadn't thought about the name of the music that plays when you battle the {{spoiler|Lingering Sentiment}} in [[KH 2]]:FM+ other than that it was named "Rage Awakened" for the [[Rule of Cool]]. Then I saw the scene before the final battle in Terra's story with {{spoiler|Terra-Xehanort}} AS the {{spoiler|Lingering Sentiment}}. Without the song, it would seem like it was just Terra's determination to protect his friends, but the songs name says otherwise. Terra was JUST THAT PISSED OFF. - [[Tropers/Brick Buster 90|BrickBuster90]]

* This troper just had a moment of [[Fridge Horror]] (well, more like Fridge Tearjerker, but there's no page for that...). If he understands how this works correctly, {{spoiler|Master Xehanort is in control of Terra's heart. That means that while the actions of "Ansem" from the first Kingdom Hearts could be blamed on Xehanort, Xemnas from KHII, who had no heart? That's Terra. Granted, an emotionless Terra with a severly messed up memory, but the thought that the guy who was so desperate to not be the bad guy in BBS becoming that is kinda depressing.}}

** MX specifically says that he controls Terra's body, too. ("Your heart succumbs, your body submits...", "The muscles and sinew that once obeyed now rebel against you" etc.) So yeah, that's either MX making Xemnas evil, or just what happens when you become a Nobody. Not really Terra's fault.

* A bit of Fridge Logic here. In [[Kingdom Hearts II]], at the beginning, remember how depressed Axel looked like when he saw that Roxas forgot him. That's already pretty harsh. But then there is that scene in Birth by Sleep. When Lea says he wants people to remember him, because "as long as they do so, he will be immortal". That's called "athazagoraphobia", the fear of being forgotten... Ouch.

** Bit of an irony here, actually. Axel seems to remember his past self as Lea, yet does not recall memories of Ventus 10 years prior to his meeting with Ventus's carbon copy, Roxas.

* Here's something most people didn't see before. In [[KH 2]] the book in the Mysterious Tower has three stories, The Beginning, The Interlude and the Future story. Read the Beginning, the first three lines involve journeys and those of light and darkness, then the fourth line about friends who's path differ but share the same bond. Then the last line about doubting the path you've been on. The story was not just talking about Sora, Riku & Kairi but about Terra, Aqua & Ven as well in addition to Master Xehanort and Vanitas. Yen Sid was being extremely subtle about clueing Sora in about what happened years ago. The devs thought of everything

* On that note the Future Story is seems to be talking about what Ansem said in the secret ending 'everyone is waiting for their birth by sleep'.

* For the longest time, I never liked the design of Ven's Keyblade. I always thought it looked... awkward and incomplete. But then I realized... each Keyblade's default form seems to reflect its user's heart. Of ''course'' Ven's would look incomplete, his heart's been fractured!

* Riku tries to cheer Sora up by making a pun about him being the sky that everyone is praying to. I don't know much about Japanese vocabulary, but consider the use of Latin in this game. The kanji, Sora, can be translated into Latin two ways: Vanitas, meaning emptiness, void or vanity (which we are all well aware of as being a pun in this game), and Caeli, meaning sky or heaven. Now rendering Sora in that sentence as "heaven" makes a lot more sense than "sky." Not only does it fit well with the [[Messianic Archetype]], but all the symbolism and use of doors as plot devices calls to mind a quote from the [[The Bible|Book of Genesis]] as rendered in the Latin Vulgate, "Non est hic aliud, nisi domus Dei et porta Caeli." In English, "This is none other than the house of God and door to Heaven," which is why Jacob named the site Bethel, which means "House of God," in Hebrew.

 

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