Kingdom Hearts II/Headscratchers: Difference between revisions

* Why did no one else in Hollow Bastion, including people who supposedly lived there their entire lives, like Cid, not know who Ansem was from the beginning?

** Because [[Fridge Brilliance|they never saw Xehanort's Heartless in the first game]]. All they heard was that "Ansem" was the one behind everything, so they assumed it was the real Ansem.

**** While mentally Roxas might have been fighting it, if the "Sora is a Heartless" theory is true, it would only have lasted for the end of the first game, and through Chain, because at the beginning of II, he and Roxas ''DID'' re-join physically.

**** Sora wasn't ever a Heartless, as said above, he was a sort of "reverse Heartless"; that's not the same.

*** Then why pink?

**** {{spoiler|''[[Ho Yay|Riku]]''}}.

* In [[Breather Episode|Atlantica]], after Ariel makes the deal with Ursula to become human, Flounder and Sebastian say that they'll watch over Ariel while the [[Power Trio]] tries to find Ursula. Couldn't Sora, Donald, and Goofy have just changed back into their land-going forms and watched over Ariel that way? They could surely have done a much better job than Flounder (stuck in the water) and Sebastian (not stuck in the water, but confined by his duties to Triton) could have done. We could've had actual ''gameplay'' that way by having SDG fight off Heartless to protect Ariel and Eric. Yeah, Ursula is a threat and all, but Ariel only has three days before this contract expires. They should have focused on getting her to succeed in kissing Eric, and ''then'' gone on to deal with Ursula.

** The magic (Sora's clothes or Donald's) probably doesn't allow them to change to their default "land forms".

* What happens if a person whose name already has an X in it becomes a Nobody?

*** 358/2 Days pretty much confirmed that, due to Demyx's laziness and lack of work ethic, he gets mostly stuck doing recons (if not always). Doesn't do anything. Which makes Sora's one-sightedness even more damning.

*** Let's try and remember that Demyx, while not shown doing anything too "evil", probably had nothing against it. He's just too lazy. Oh, and it doesn't really matter that Sora was a douche towards Demyx, I mean, it's not like he could [[The Heartless|be offended]].

*** Demyx is a ''Nobody''. He didn't fall in with a bad crowd or make bad decisions any more than any of the other members. At some point as a human, he became a Nobody. That Nobody willingly works for Organization XIII (which isn't really a terrorist organization) and shows no problems with the Organization's tactics. Sora was fully justified in claiming that Demyx doesn't have a heart because, as the other Nobodies admit, ''they do not have hearts''.

*** Technically, they are terrorists, even if they don't identify as such; they have shown that they will turn people into heartless if they want a stronger heart for Xemnas's plot, like Xaldin tried to do to Beast. And let's not forget that Luxord was terrorizing Port Royal and keeping the entire pirate crew undead and invincible, allowing them to pillage and do other terrible pirate things to Port Royal. But more on the subject of Sora's assholeness, I was under the impression that Demyx was the one sending all the Heartless to attack Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden to get Sora's attention, and you also seem to forget that he stole the Olympus stone earlier and caused mayhem in the Underworld and Olympus Coliseum. If that doesn't convince you, Sora is still in a wonky state of mind which he won't get better from until Roxas finally accepts his fate and fully merges with Sora at The World That Never Was. I saw this as Sora treating Demyx like he treated every other villain, and he is a villain; he has no heart like the rest of the Organization XIII and incapable of feeling. Maybe his whole self is nicer, like Axel and Saïx's were. Hell, the only org member to act like he did in the Org was Xigbar, but even then he seemed the type to steal candy from babies.

*** Notice that the above examples of "terrorism" don't involve Demyx. You could say that Demyx was the one sending Heartless everywhere to kill people in Hollow Bastion, but I also remember Saix specifically stating that the Heartless listen to the strongest person around at the time; ie., Saix and Xemnas himself were both around at the time and it's easy to believe they're much more powerful than Demyx. Besides, that sounds like the kind of task they would take on themselves rather than leave it to someone as seemingly unreliable as Demyx if that whole mission was a strategic move by the whole Organization. (Again, Xemnas himself was there. Obviously that particular mission had some importance.) As for the Olympus stone, yes, Demyx did that, but that was because he was ordered to. He was also ordered to attack Sora. Did he want to? He certainly didn't sound eager about it. Overall, he was portrayed as lazy and overall inoffensive, not wanting to hurt anybody, but he did it because it was his job. Think about it; if you were special and "incomplete" like the Nobodies, and you didn't have anywhere to go but this syndicate that promises you a normal and peaceful life later if you help them out, you would want to join. (Plus, it seemed like once you joined the Organization, you couldn't get back out unless you wanted to fight your way out, like in the case of Roxas and Axel. So, hypothetically, even if he DID want to leave, he was selfish enough to stay in the Organization to save his own skin.) Just because other people in the group go around screwing up peoples' lives and like doing it doesn't mean that you have to like doing it too. Now: most people wouldn't be able to ignore the fact that people in their group commit terrorism, even if they're not doing it themselves. Demyx can. Why? Because while wanting to be inoffensive, lay low, and not hurt anybody, he's selfish. He DOES show some bad character. But I think all Demyx was ultimately guilty of was selfishness (he seems to have the philosophy that if it's not his problem, why should he care?) and laziness. And sure, the ultimate argument to this would be, 'THEY SAID THEY DON'T HAVE HEARTS, IT'S ALL AN ACT!' Which, sure, that might be the case. That IS a valid argument. But you can say that to anyone. If there was a Nobody who skipped around in the daisies and pet bunnies, etc. it could still be said that "it's all an act, because they state in the game that they don't really have hearts". That's what makes this topic an unending discussion. It depends on everyone's different views and speculation on the matter. Some of us think there's enough ambiguity to say that some of the people in the Organization are really sympathetic, and some of us want to think that they're all horrible monsters that have no hearts. Literally.

** I would like to point out that [[Star Wars|one man's terrorism is another man's liberation]].

* If the Nobodies in the Virtual Twilight Town at the beginning were trying to steal Roxas and were confused by both Roxas and photos of Roxas being digital data, why would they take the word "photo"? Wouldn't they have taken the word "Roxas"?

*********** Only one thing I can say to make things a little more clearer is that in the Secret Ansem Reports, both Naminé and Roxas are said to be "different" from other Nobodies. One such difference is that they clearly had hearts and could feel emotions. DiZ finally realized this, which is why he apologized to them.

*********** I think it just comes down to Sora and Kairi being a special set of cases because their hearts are so full of light that instead of their Nobodies being leftovers from out of body heart experiences, they were strong enough to create actual doppelgangers as independent entities. For anyone who has read Anansi Boys by Neil Gaiman -- the metaphor would be starfish. When a regular animal gets cut in half, they have to be put back together before they're complete again. Sora is even so full of light that it seemed he was able to become the opposite of a Heartless (Heartful? Pure-Heart) -- a being made of nothing but a heart made of light. Because Kairi and Sora are so full of light, they're like Starfish -- they got cut in half and became four independent entities instead of four incomplete entities. This explains why Sora gets such a huge power boost after re-merging with Roxas. Roxas grew in strength and as his own dependent person, plus Xion was mixed in as well. It was less like finishing the transformation back into a complete entity and more of a [[Fusion Dance]].

************* When Kairi lost her heart, her soul became Naminé, a half Nobody. When Sora gave up his heart, his body became Roxas, his soul divided between Roxas and reanimating Kairi. When Kairi restored Sora, her heart made a shell of light to give Sora's heart form and her half of Sora's soul split to revive Sora.

************** I figured out why Naminé merges with Kairi instead of Sora despite being made from his body... it's so that [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|part of Sora's body can go into Kairi]]. Those Square guys are really dirty-minded!

*** Obviously they really don't, either that or Demyx has split personalities. He needed only to be reminded that he is, in fact, incapable of fear in order to get over it.

*** As far as Org. 13, most of them also stated that they lacked emotions, but nearly all of them act with pretty clear emotions. Granted, they may have had some kind of acting training to the point where they 'pretended' to have emotions instinctively, but something like that would be to the point where you wouldn't be able to tell they were lacking.

**** I actually like that they left that ambiguous. You come out with one of 2 vastly different scenarios: 1) the characters are flat-out wrong, and even doing a little bit of dehumanizing of their enemies so that they can take them down, a psychological process that was completely unnecessary with the Heartless. Or, alternatively, 2) the "faked feelings" plot element actually IS true. With 2, there are obviously some exceptions. Naminé, Roxas, Axel suddenly "feeling like he has a heart" whenever the latter or Sora is around, and possibly even certain emotions don't apply to the transformation. After all, I think Xemnas made it pretty clear that he was filled with rage & envy towards Ansem. Either way you look at it, the Organization is emotionally interesting, and the mysterious element of it just adds to the fun.

**** Hopefully, the Nintendo DS game that stars the Organization makes the whole thing clearer... ''without'' [[Badass Decay]]...

*** Yeah. I don't know about you people, but in my experience, people generally don't reflexively act out an emotion they don't feel. If I'm not feeling happy, I'm not smiling unless I mean to. If I'm not sad, I don't cry. If I don't feel affection or hate for someone, I'm probably going to ignore them. If the human-like Nobodies truly had no feelings, they should've been acting like Spock and Rei Ayanami at their MOST expressive -- when your reasoning is left with only logic, why would you logically decide to act illogically all of the time? The only reason to act out an emotion you don't feel is for the purpose of lying -- like say, fooling someone into believing they're normal humans -- and only a few members of the Organization would have bothered with such subtlety. They shouldn't even be acting out emotions from some desire to appear human, as they shouldn't be able to feel insecure enough to warrant that kind of self-deception. The Nobodies might as well be normal humans -- this and the way that Sora and Kairi casually break the rules by having bodies despite having Nobodies, leads me to despise the very concept of Nobodies and wish that the idea had never occurred to the creative team.

**** The Organization Nobodies can remember their previous lives, and are apparently desperate to reclaim the feelings they can no longer feel... My guess? Nobodies can feel certain emotions. Things like despair and depression and other emotions commonly associated with emptiness, emotions which, in the metaphysics of Kingdom Hearts, may be caused by a lack of the ability to feel other emotions. The Organization is clearly willing to hurt and kill the innocent in order to create Kingdom Hearts and use it to restore their Hearts, so their desperation must be great enough to overcome any morality they would've learned in their previous lives (this may have simply been a matter of time, though, no longer having the empathy to reinforce those morals). As for Roxas and Naminé, some theorize that they may have incomplete Hearts as a result of their incredibly strange creation (two Hearts being released from the same person, one of them returning to its original Body, which, by the way, looks nothing like that Heart's Nobody, and the other Nobody, Roxas, happens to look exactly like Sora's precursor Ven, and not much like Sora himself). As for Axel, he said that being near Sora (and Roxas) made him feel like he had a Heart, and clearly this prolonged exposure to Roxas had some kind of permanent effect. He continued to feel that Roxas was his friend and thus worth kidnapping Kairi over even after he hadn't been in contact with either Sora or Roxas for some time.

***** Or, alternatively, the Organization members were sociopathic because Xemnas took great care to instill that in them. Why else would he make a point to find humanoid Nobodies immediately after they were born, & personally attend to their greeting?

***** Nothing ever suggested that Axel was an anomaly or that the Organization was sociopathic rather than merely villainous. Also, while sociopaths have limited emotional range, they still feel real emotions. Which is impossible without hearts. So, if Nobodies have hearts, what the heck are they? Besides an extremely bad idea.

****** The way I understand Nobodies' emotions is this -- Nobodies are animated by the imprint left behind by a person's heart, hence a strong heart is required to even have a Nobody. A stronger heart leaves more of an imprint, and the human-shaped Nobodies had very strong hearts. Nobodies' emotions come from this imprint -- their emotions aren't necessarily forced, but the emotions they do have are only a shadow of the ones they would have if they had hearts.

****** Besides, we've got no idea how people without emotions would actually work. Spock had emotions, he just didn't show them. Everybody has emotions, they just don't come out at times, so making someone without emotions would be incredibly difficult. The writers realized this, and did what anyone would do. Guess. Besides, you really want to be fighting a bunch of monotone enemies with no expression or defining characteristics?

******* Actually, there are people who lack emotions. They are fully capable of reasoning like ordinary people, except that they have absolutely no way of drawing priorities, having no reason to prefer any outcome over another. For a truly emotionless person, goals or missions become meaningless.

*** Considering that it's a Disney game, this is unlikely... BUT they COULD get it in under the radar by not explicitly stating it. I tend to agree with this position.

**** Unlikely?

'''DiZ:''' ''It's the fate of a Nobody.'' }}

*** The dehumanization of Nobodies is even more apparent in the manga, where DiZ goes so far as to call Roxas "it." The real question is whether or not it's a coincidence that the names of the two characters who are most associated with this thinking are DiZ and Yen Sid.

** Hm? I've always thought that Mickey and the knowledgeable thinks that they have no emotion but that they actually do... I've never thought it could be any other way... I think I'll stay with my view of the thing. It makes the Organization sad and great anti-villains. Granted though, I am an actor-in-training and it is quite possible to pretend emotion even if you feel nothing at all. Still, I stick to my version.

*** However, even the smartest, most morally straight characters can be wrong. They made that a point with Ansem, & it was actually expressed several other times in the Disney worlds: Simba's self-doubt, Beast's distrust of his friends, Hercules refusing to stop pleasing the crowd & therefore leading to the deaths of everyone in the Coliseum (off-screen but implied), etc.

** My view is that the Nobodies have residual emotions left over from their human selves but can't fully experience new emotions. For instance -- they remember feeling love because they experienced it, so they can simulate it to a degree, but they can't create new emotions. It'd be like cutting off your supply of food -- you'd be able to live off of body fat for a while, but eventually you'd run out. This fits in with the higher-ranking Organization Members being more cruel and less empathetic -- they've been separated from their bodies longer, while the newer members like Roxas, Axel, and the like are still able to draw on their remembered emotions.

*** I think that they can actually feel emotions; it's just that they can't ''fully'' feel them, and when they experience a real emotion, it's a big deal to them. Example: In Chain of Memories, after he sets Naminé free, Axel sort of does a take, puts his hand where his heart should be, and muses to himself "Wait -- I'm ''enjoying'' this! You guys really are something else." He's got no reason to "fake" the emotion to himself.

**** Because their story takes place between the first and second Aladdin movie. And just to make this point clearer: if Mulan's world was consumed by the Heartless in the first game (and it was, because Mushu was a summon in that game), why does she act like she's seeing them for the first time in Kingdom Hearts 2? Why don't Timon and Pumbaa remember the Heartless, or the Pride Lands being destroyed? It's not just Ariel. ''Nobody'' in the Disney worlds seems to remember any specific details about the first game apart from having befriended Sora. In cases like Ariel, they're even clueless about who it was they fought the last time. Maybe it's a clumsy attempt to shoehorn the Disney stories into the game without changing them too much, but since the only reason anyone remembers Sora is because Naminé spent a year making it so, selective memory loss is a perfectly good WMG to explain it.

*** Naminé can only affect Sora's memories and those aligned with him. How could she affect ''everyone'' on a world that Sora has never set foot on, like the Land of Dragons? I think this is just a plot hole. Jafar and Iago get locked in a lamp in Kingdom Hearts. Iago escapes from the lamp shortly after the beginning of 2. Abu recognizes the lamp. There's no doubt that they remember the events of the original game.

**** The movies aren't canon to the games unless the games specifically say so. It would make no sense for the original Aladdin move to be canon since, again, Jafar gets turned into a genie and trapped in the lamp at the end of the ''first game'' (in a scene very similar to the movie). And the events of the first game aren't otherwise that close to the first movie.

**** Who's talking about "canon"? I'm talking about memories. The Disney worlds, post-Kingdom Hearts 1, do not clearly remember the Heartless invasion. That half the characters aren't utterly shell shocked from having experienced their own deaths is proof enough of that: if we need something more direct, there's the Land of Dragons and Pride Lands as proof that the worlds consumed by the Heartless don't ''remember'' being consumed by the Heartless. So why can't the same be true of all the Disney worlds? The [[Reset Button]] WAS pushed for the worlds that were destroyed, there's no denying that. If the [[Reset Button]] was actually pushed all around, and Naminé's year-long work in Twilight Town redrew Sora and company back into their memories, then that explains why they remember the trio, but nothing specific to the first Kingdom Hearts. At best, they might remember most of their adventures from the first game, but still have gaps big enough for Ursula to go right back to being a sea witch that Ariel's never met.

**** I think that maybe Naminé underplayed the potential of her powers. While she can only directly affect Sora and people related to him, she explicitly describes memories as "links in a chain, connecting us to one another." (Might not be an exact quote). Now, she was not exactly gentle with Sora's head in Castle Oblivion, being under an incredible amount of pressure to try to remake the poor kid in exactly the image the Organization would find useful. It took her an entire year to come even close to fixing Sora alone, and she couldn't put his brain back together completely even in that time-frame. Now we start getting into the realm of WMG, but if the above quote from Naminé is accurate, it's entirely possible that, just by screwing around with Sora, Donald, and Goofy with such abandon, she inadvertently caused significant amounts of damage 'down the chain' three or even four links away. For Example 1) Sora himself is in Castle Oblivion, when Naminé puts him through the [[Mind Screw]]. 2) Simba was with Sora through most of his adventure in KH1, as a summon, so his memories go all wonky too. 3) Timon, Pumba, Nala, and Rafiki are all connected to Simba, so their memories are affected by Naminé's secondary effects on Simba 4) Scar is connected to Nala, so he knows that things are really really bad, and he might even remember something about the Heartless invasion, but it's fuzzy. 5) The Hyenas are pretty far down the 'Chain', but by this point the interaction with them is minimal and the Heartless invasion isn't really a topic of discussion. This works for the other worlds as well, for the most part, since the people most likely to bring things up are already closest to Sora, and thus are more likely to have their memories changed. When Naminé was doing her re-building job, she was focused on SDG and was being much more careful, so this 'chain' effect would be drastically toned down. Hence, people in the middle of the chain are apt to have their memories still badly scrambled because Naminé didn't bother to put them back together, or might not have been aware of the extent of her changes.

** The Land of Dragons and a lot of the other Heartless worlds probably got eaten so fast there was no way for people to realize what was going on. They ceased to exist until Kingdom Hearts' light was opened at the end of the first game.

** Here's my answer; when the worlds got repaired, everyone lost all their memories of what happened between the worlds being connected, and the end of the first game. In the year that Sora was out of commission, the events of the first movie/whatever for each world played out without the interference of the Heartless, Riku, or Sora. (Scar went ahead with his plans for the Pridelands, Jafar goes for the Lamp, etc.) And during that year, Naminé slowly repaired Sora's memory, and caused people he'd met to remember that he exists

** If that is true, Why in "Aladdin" does jafar suddenly lose his geneie form, and why in [[The Lion King]] is Scar defeated and killed, and just comes back? and don't you dare say that [[A Wizard Did It]].

**** [http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=tgs07/09-18-01.jpg The first offical look at the prequel. Notice Sora, Organization XIII and King Mickey in the screenshots. Also, Sora seems to have aged backwards.... ]

***** Well, that's a relief. Shows how much attention I've been paying to the press releases.

** Not to mention 3D: Dream Drop Distance.

*** Yes there is, just not until after they've done all the side stories.

**** KH is the new FF7 in therms of spinoff milking, it would seem.

***** At least this series is worth exploring. ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' wrapped everything up in its first games. The spin offs exist simply to add plots that were never there.

****** Good news. A recent article on the future of ''Nintendo Power'' magazine mentions that an upcoming game for the Wii will be "a game fit for a king that we really put our hearts into"...

******* Wait, a numbered [[Kingdom Hearts]] game on a nonportable Nintendo system? You're making that up. It's too good to be true.

******* Coded, by the way, is about a 'virtual' Sora of some kind. And yes, there will be a Kingdom Hearts III, it just hasn't started development yet.

******** It was basically that; upon reviewing Jimminy's Journal, Mickey noticed some kind of discrepancy, & created a virtual version of it to investigate it. It's a puzzle game, as well as a total [[Ass Pull]].

** I always thought that was a [[Bolivian Army Ending]] kind of thing...

* Why does Hades descibe Auron as 'the mother of all bad guys'?

** Honestly, most of the KHII Disney worlds were poorly thought-out. I guess they just really wanted us to see how good a golfer Sora is? Also, ''Setzer''. We've already got Setzer! Let him use his Slot ability: he had it first.

** So you wanted a rehash of the same battle for a third time? Can't be the only one that thinks that's a bad idea. Besides, Square already brought the Slot Machine arena again for Oogie's battle in ''Chains of Memories''. As for Setzer, let's remember that Nomura was forced to include him in the game despite him declaring several times that he dislikes to work with characters he didn't design. That explains why the suave gambler only appeared in a unremarkable role in the intro. Nomura got the last laugh, but again, it's his series after all.

**** That's right. It's ''Vivi'' Nomura had qualms using.

*** I thought Amano designed Setzer since he came from [[Final Fantasy VI]]...?

**** Amano did all the ''art'' for [[Final Fantasy VI]]; doesn't mean he did the all the actual designing. Nomura assisted with Setzer and Shadow at the very least.

** Honestly, they disappear at random several times in that game. The Thousand Heartless Challenge & the fight with Sephiroth are 2 good examples.

** In the Battle Of 1000 Heartless, Donald and Goofy split off from Sora to go deal with their own group of Heartless. Offscreen battles are awesome. For the Groundshaker, well, I guess they wanted Simba to prove himself? Obviously Sora had to be there or else it would have just been a cutscene, unless they let the player temporarily control Simba...

*** It's a Heartless. The only way to properly slay it is with the Keyblade. And also, Sora is better in dealing with Heartless than Simba.

*** Ooh, nice spoiler dodge. But what Final Keyhole? Something that bothered me was that they never sealed a Keyhole in The World That Never Was. Partially justified, because Xemnas seemed to have DESTROYED it, but that's a pretty lame justification. Was the Keyhole Xemnas himself? I mean, they DID fire the exact same type of beam through his stomach.

**** Yeah... do you remember Monstro and the End of the World. Sora didn't seal a keyhole there because one is a whale, and the other isn't so much a world as a heartless of worlds? There is no keyhole in The World That Never Was because 1) It's the nobody of worlds, and 2) Keyholes are used in KHII to open Gummi pathways, and there's no pathway left to open.

*** But wasn't the novelization non-canon? Though, {{spoiler|the hundreds of keyblades}} thing does make sense. I was also thinking that he might of got it from Ansem {{spoiler|or while he was Ansem.}}

*** Also, the three main keyblades in BBS haven't been confirmed to be related to Darkness, Twilight, or Light. Yet.

** Well, {{spoiler|in Birth By Sleep, Kairi gains the ability to use the Keyblade by touching Aqua's Keyblade}}, so it's been explained HOW she was able to use it. As for where it came from, {{spoiler|Xion awoke Ven's keyblade inside of Roxas, which is why he can dual wield, because he essentially has two hearts (Sora's/Ven's)}}. So Riku could have gotten the second Keyblade because {{spoiler|Xehanort's Heart was inside him, and given what was shown in BBS, we know that Xehanort should at least have the ability to use the Keyblade.}} This troper's beliefs anyway.

* If Sora, upon "reuniting" with his Nobody, became whole again, then why does he occasionally summon "Super Heartless" form (the rare Heartless-colored, combo-exploiting ultra-form) instead of the form you chose? Moreover, if Sora and Roxas reunited, why do they later end up fighting each other?

** They didn't say that Naminé came from the second time, did they?

** The process of becoming a Heartless is more than just making a fake body. When one becomes a Heartless, the body is "cast off", but it was impossible for Kairi to ever become a Heartless because she had no Darkness in her heart. So, without a body being cast off, it never became a Nobody. This is why Nami was only created when ''Sora'' casted off his body.

* Additionally, when Sora, Donald, and Goofy are paralyzed by indecision because {{spoiler|they find out that every heart released from the Heartless is taken by The Organization}}, why doesn't Donald or Goofy just fight the Heartless? ''They'' don't have Keyblades...

** In normal gameplay, though, Donald and Goofy do release hearts from the Heartless they defeat, which also raises the question of how this happens without a Keyblade. One suggestion I've read is that their weapons are functionally similar by virtue of following Sora.

*** Donald didn't really go full force when he hit Shadow Sora, he bonked Sora in the way you'd bonk an annoying brother.

** It's not the only thing that can destroy them, but the most effective to do so. Also, it's not the blade, but the power of light resting within, that is so deadly for the Heartless. By believing in the ones, who fight with him, Sora does "share" this power with them. Their hearts are connected after all, aren't they?

*** Word of God implies that Xenmas could have done the Keyblading duties '''''himself'''''. He just preferred to manipulate others into doing it for him, since he had a lot of scheming to do.

* Kairi is the Princess of Heart for Hollow Bastion. We also find out in Kingdom Hearts II that Ansem the Wise was the ruler of Hollow Bastion. Does this mean that Ansem is Kairi's father? If so, who on earth is/was Kairi living with on Destiny Islands? If I remember correctly, it is said that she is the mayor's daughter.

****** I'll add that Ansem sucks as a father, whether or not he actually is Kairi's (grand)father. We know he's the one who initiated the darkness experiments, and he couldn't even convince Ienzo to stop them. After this incident, his only focus is revenge. This might explain why he would refer to Kairi as "a girl who lived in Radient Garden," if she were his own flesh and blood. In light of the things he's done, he doesn't consider himself worthy to be called her father/grandfather as the case may be. Not the least of his sins is that he is downright abusive toward Naminé.

******* Knowing Ansem’s views on Nobodies, it could easily explain his treatment of Naminé if Kairi was his daughter/granddaughter, and likely regardless of his opinion of himself as a worthy parent/grandparent.

*** Where was it stated that the Organization XIII Nobodies could remember their human lives? It didn't seem to me that they "remembered" anything that Xemnas hadn't necessarily told them, that might have been written down in one of those secret notebooks you keep finding, or even completely made up half or more of it. (And if Xemnas could remember his past, it's been both implied that his heartless, and probably Nobody are unusual, and may have already been a Nobody before he became Xemnas.)

**** "True, we don't have hearts. However, we remember what it was like. That makes us special."

* Saïx is supposed to only go berserk in moonlight, right? But the moon in The World That Never Was [[That's No Moon|isn't a moon.]]

** It may have not been a real moon, but apparently it was good enough. Heck, it might have been better since Kingdom Hearts is one big power source.

But then, wouldn't he be in Beserk Mode all the time? GAH.

* Actually during the day (usually the afternoon) if you look you can see the moon a little bit in the form of a small white semicircle in the sky. but I suppose it does not explian why he can go berserk in places like Wonderlands Bizzare room...

***** Was it ever stated that Emblem heartless =\= Nobody? I thought the only criteria for Nobodies were having a strong will.

* Relating to the fandom, it bugs the heck out of me that fanfic writers insist on making Org XIII members "just misunderstood." They were ''evil'', people. EVIL. Let's see: The original six, in life, performed dangerous experiments on ''living hearts'' and created the emblems. As Nobodies, they tried to turn innocent people into Heartless in order to collect hearts and harvest useful Nobodies. Remember Port Royal? Beast's Castle? Yeah. Their goals might be sympathetic, but their methods were villainous to the core.

*** The bit about referring to him as Roxas may not be their fault, seeing as it's a distinct possibility that they actually see Roxas when they look at him. Whether this is because they're nobodies or because of {{spoiler|Xion's shape shifting properties,}} or if this theory has merit isn't clear.

** If you saw a group of people who skulk around in black longcoats appearing out of darkness itself and commanding the Heartless alongside some utterly bizarre, boneless white creatures to attack random people who announce, in no uncertain terms, that they ''want to manipulate you to their own ends'', it wouldn't take much of an intuitive leap to correctly guess "bad guys".

** Aaaaactually, [[Word of God|Nomura]] himself said in the Nintendo Power July 2009 issue that the Organization as a whole was meant to be a big [[Your Mileage May Vary]], stating "''They arn't portrayed simply as the "Bad Guys", nor can they be clearly defined as good or evil. Whether they are considered relatable beings or villains is up to the player.''" and "''The Organization XIII members are at a completely different place in terms of standpoint and objective when compared to the main character of the Kingdom Hearts series, Sora. They aren't exactly friends or enemies when it comes to the Disney characters, but they keep a distance from them and tend to look at them from an objective point of view.''"

*** Considering that Nobodies lack hearts and probably a sense of good or evil (Naminé herself notes that she can't tell if they're bad or not), it's hard to define them as evil. It makes more sense to say that from Sora's point of view (and most reasoning people) Organization XIII is doing bad things.

** [[Fan Dumb|Well the fandom can get some parts wrong all the time.]]

** The whole "best friends" thing has no relation to who they were as Sombodies... Axel and Roxas didn't become friends for any special reason. You're looking too far into this. Also, 358/2 Days reveals that his original name was {{spoiler|Lea (pernounced Lee)}} anyway.

*** Heck, ''Birth By Sleep'' actually introduces Axel's original person, putting the pointless idea to rest.

* How long will it take until Kefka is put in Kingdom Hearts?... (Remembers Setzer's appearance in KH2) ...actually, nevermind.

*** Considering that VI vies with VII among fans as the "best" [[Final Fantasy]] more than any other set of games, I'd say this isn't true. At least half the [[Final Fantasy]] [[Broken Base]] would love to see more characters from [[Final Fantasy VI]].

** Oh, and [[Final Fantasy IV|Rydia]]!!... Of course, they had to de-sexbomb her first. Otherwise there's no way someone like her would go in a platform-game without lifting the rating up to 16 and above....

** De-sexbomb her? The new Kairi isn't exactly subtle, not to mention Tifa "McBreasterson" Lockheart. They'd probably use her younger self anyway though.

** Considering that Kefka is an [[Omnicidal Manical]] [[Monster Clown]] [[Nietzsche Wannable]], I doubt he'd be appropriate Kingdom Hearts material. I mean, Sephiroth was changed from mass-murdering [[Super Soldier]] to Cloud's dark half, so if Kefka does get in, there'd be so many changes made to him that he'd retain little of what made him such a good character in the first place. Not that I don't want to see him in, though...

*** Or he'd friggin' '''UPSTAGE XEHANORT'''. Not happening until after KHIII, people!

** I always thought Nomura only wanted to use characters ''he'' designed, with Vivi being the only exception. (Which, for all we know, wasn't ''his'' idea to put in). Ever wonder why, out of ''all'' the Final Fantasy VI cast, Setzer was the only one who made the cut to be redesigned? Yeah... 'cause Nomura originally designed him. (Of course, he appears much younger in this version.) And do you honestly think Shadow would really be appropriate?

* Why is it always "Sora! Donald! Goofy!" Instead of any AND's or commas put in? Seriously, I dare you to find a time when their names aren't divided by ! in dialogue.

* In the Game Over screen for the first game, we see Sora on the ground with his heart floating slightly above him. In the second, however, the Game Over screen consists solely of Sora who appears to be floating slightly above the ground. Is this important, or am I overthinking things?

** It's probably to remove some [[Nightmare Fuel]]. Interestingly, there's also the [[Nonstandard Game Over]] screen which shows Sora standing up, looking annoyed, which also bugs me -- if he's OK, why is it a game over?

** I remember reading somewhere on this wiki that the heart in ''1'' might well have been Kairi's instead.

* What the hell was the point of the wonders? AFAIK only a couple of them are actually explained, and a couple aren't, like the balls or the ghost train.

** They make it more obvious that the world is digital, all of the wonders are either a) someone being stupid b) a glitch in the Digital Twilight Town or c) the doing of a Nobody.

* Why do Hayner, Pence, and Olette still have the crystals from the Trophy when Sora goes back to Twilight Town? They had them in the prologue because Roxas won, but in the real Twilight Town, Seifer won the Struggle.

** Watch the scene again. Seifer gives the trophy to Sora, the tropy gets dropped, and the crystals roll away. Each of the trio plus Goofy pick up one of the four crystals. By coincidence, fate, or plot contrivance, they each end up with the same crystal their virtual counterparts had.

** This has been asked, maybe Sora has a heart attack?

** You can see Demyx strumming his sitar while you fight them. This troper assumes that he spends the time powering up some unstoppable attack, which works if he gets enough time to do it. The Kingdom Hearts version of a [[Pokémon|Perish Trap]], shall we say.

** Because if you don't beat them all before time runs out, they grab Sora, hold him down, and Demyx initiates Rape Mode.

** It takes place right before the 1000 Heartless battle; if you don't beat them quickly, the Heartless invade?

**** It's probably not from the Keyblade, but are we forgetting that Sora stabbed himself to unlock his own heart? Or that Master Xehanort was able to unlock human hearts with his keyblade? (Namely his {{spoiler|releasing the darkness in Ventus's heart to create Vanitas, and later casting his own heart out of his body in order to [[Grand Theft Me|swipe Terra's body.]]}})

* I hear a lot of people here discussing the elements of Light, Dark, and Twilight, but what about Dawn? Isn't that another alignment? For that matter, isn't Nothing it's own element, too? Chain of Memories's ending for Riku definitely seemed to treat Dawn like its own element. And KHII treated Nothing like it had its own kind of power, too. Or maybe that was Xemnas's crazy talk. But he does say that it is eternal, like Dark and Light.

** Isn't dawn just one kind of Twilight? Riku was specifying that his road leads to twilight-dawn, not twilight-nightfall (which is what DiZ had said). I'm pretty sure Nothingness counts, though.

*** OH Thats why the cannon fodder Nobodies are called Dusks!

** Riku presumably meant that even though he was walking between light and dark, he wasn't going to use his powers in an evil way (twilight giving way to night), but in a good way (dawn giving rise to a new day). I count four alignments; Light, Dark, Twilight, and Nothingness.

** Maybe none of them are actually there, and they're, like, conferencing through magic or something? Only thing I can think of that makes sense.

* Why does no one ever question the existance of an anthropmorphic duck and dog, especially in worlds where things like that don't exist.?

** In every one of the worlds some sort of known magic exists ('cept Twilight Town anyway), presumably there's some sort of magic that changes someone's form. Though it still doesn't hurt anybody to ask.

**** Which makes this troper question why our heroes only transformed in four or five worlds when Sora, Donald, and Goofy clearly didn't fit into a majority of the worlds they visited.

**** Hey, the Land of Dragons is full of crazy creatures, from assorted guardian spirits to ancestor ghosts, to giant dragons flying around the land. Perhaps Shang thought Donald was some sort of magical creature or guardian, and thought he'd make a great asset to the war effort. Similarly, the world of ''[[Pirates of the Caribbean]]'' is full of magical elements, from skeletonizing curses to crazy Cthulhu-pirates. Jack's certainly seen weirder stuff than Donald running about.

*** Except she's been confirmed for 3D, a scene from the long trailer {{spoiler|shows her talking with Sora}}. Either this [[Word of God]] never happened, or it's been retconned to hell.

** Several things, actually...

*** If anything, they just became his subconscious mind. Why do you think Sora said, "all three -- no wait, four of us." Xion was just his memories that leaked out and put back on, so it's easy to forget that.

** [[Word of God]] also said that Kairi and Naminé are not related. And to be fair to Xion, Nomura also said after 358/2 that we won't be seeing Roxas or Naminé again.

** Sora seriously needs to talk to a therapist, or barring that, [[Dollhouse|Echo and Alpha]].

** What I saw was that Xion was totally confirmed to no longer exist in any way. Sora's memories that composed her were reabsorbed into Sora and chained back into his heart correctly. I'll give you Roxas as maybe a separate person, but Ventus is murky. His heart was damaged by all the hullabaloo with Vanitas and so it let itself be absorbed by Sora's heart. Due to that, I think it'll take some doing to get Ventus's heart back up to unique person status.

** Based on some of his decisions in II, I'd have to say Sora isn't quite in his right mind.

* It bugs me that Kingdom Hearts II and Re: Chain of Memories show a clip from Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix and 358/2 Days shows some clips from Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ , even though both games weren't released outside of Japan. (I know 358/2 Days isn't released yet outside of Japan too, but I'm working on the assumption that it's going to be out eventually.)

** He has, in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix; during the Roxas boss battle, if you pull off a reaction command correctly, you take Roxas's Keyblades. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2h6hv2DZdY See it here,] the exact moment starts at 1:32.

** But Roxas was already part of Sora, Xion is an add-on.

**** {{spoiler|Yes, Xion is made from Sora,}} but she isn't a missing piece like Roxas is.

*** Yes, she is. Xion was made from the memories that escaped from Sora, as Naminé said. She isn't anything "extra."

** He gained the ability to wield two keyblade simply because Xion's "death" ''awoke'' the second Keyblade inside of him {{spoiler|because he possess Ventus's Heart}}. The reason Roxas could wield the Keyblade was because Sora can (one keyblade per heart), so the reason why Sora can wield two is because when he absorbed Roxas {{spoiler|he also absorbed Ventus's woken up heart/Keyblade}}. So, that's two, not three.

*** Except that Red, Blue, and Green are the three primary colors.

*** Traditionally, RYB are the primary colors.

*** Correct. A primary color can't be made by mixing other colors, and green is a mixture of yellow and blue, so it's not a primary color.

*** Depends what medium you're dealing with; Red, Blue, and Green are the three primary colours in light, whereas Red, Blue, and Yellow are the more "traditional" primary colours when dealing with inks and other physical media.

** It's yellow because of the [[Law of Chromatic Superiority]] -- gold is better than red or blue, while not strictly "better" Master Form is the one with the widest buffs, so obviously it's going to be gold.

* What ''did'' happen to Twilight Town? How come it just drops off of the Gummi Ship's radar for a while after you leave Hollow Bastion the first time?

** The same reason half the multiverse is locked again after you finish with the invasion of Hollow Bastion. Namely, the game says you can't go there yet.

* Why does the last song in Atlantica in II require you to have Thundaga? There's not a single lightning bolt in that entire piece.

** Why aren't you blocked from using Thunder in Atlantica anyways? Don't you know what happens when electricity hits water? ZAP!!!

** It wouldn't have had so much impact if DiZ was just "some other mentor" rather than the real Ansem.

*** It explains DiZ's spite and callous attitude towards the Nobodies, which he takes out on Roxas. See, when Xehanort betrayed Ansem, he stole ''everything'' from him. His life, his throne, even his name. DiZ had nothing left except his dark hatred over this betrayal, and for ten years he wandered the dark world where that anger only festered. If it was just 'some other mentor', we wouldn't have nearly the same impact or that deeper side of his character, the hatred and outrage he feels when his very name is usurped, a hatred he eventually overcomes due to Riku and Sora's selfless actions.

* So why did they find English voice actors for all the other Organisation XIII members for Re: Chain of Memories but then not release Final Mix+? And then not even release Re: Chain of Memories here in Europe or in Australia? [[No Export for You|Are we really such]] [[Bad Export for You|a small part of their market]]?

** <nowiki>Re:CoM</nowiki> = giant marketing ploy for Days. That's all it ever was.

** There's a thousand and one answers to that, none of them pretty...

** For all we know, that's before Mickey ever studied under Yen sid. Yen sid probably "tamed" him and made him grow up. :B

** And Birth By Sleep clarifies the circumstances of Pete's banishment: He got pissed off for losing a popularity contest to Terra, Aqua and, Ven (who did minigames during their visit to Disney Town) and Minnie sicced the Fantasia brooms on him, dumping him in what appears to be the void between worlds for a time out. Maleficent at some point busts him out. Mickey, meanwhile, has nothing to do with any of this.

** Herc is always busy either fighting the Hydra or keeping monsters from invading the surface, or rebuilding the Coliseum. Am I the only one who has ever read the dialogue?

*** Except when he's in Emo Mode or barely able to stand from exhaustion.

** It's already kind of hard because the [[Guest Star Party Member]] can't follow you out of the world. It's meddling.

** There were ''no'' Final Fantasy cameos in Days, that right there proves that the Disney cameos are the more important of the two.

*** Unless you count the Organization's personal shop Moogle.

**** Kingdom Hearts was from the beginning conceived as a game series to play in Disney worlds. That's what it's about. If anything, one could argue that the original stuff is the filler and is just there to link the Disney stuff together. In any case, Birth By Sleep seems to be bringing the Disney stuff and the original stuff closer together again like it was in the first game.

***** Also, let it be noted: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpWTcTaCqTs according to Nomura, Disney is the one that initiated Kingdom Hearts.]

**** Don' forget Sora sealing the keyholes - those were important in places like Agraba and Atlantica.

** They mutate.

*** Nobodies don't have DNA, you MAROON!

** Nobodies aren't just risen bodies. They appear to be mostly spiritual and shaped by their willpower, explaining why only the strongest are capable of resembeling their original forms while the others can only manage a disturbing, fluid human shape.

*** I'm just wondering why the only female-looking Nobodies are all controlled by Demyx...

**** Well, we never got to see the Ninjas or whatever that Larxene controlled. Come KHII, Demyx was the most effeminate Organization member remaining.

* Is Stitch still bad or not? There's no doubt that Stitch is bad in BBS, because it's set soon after he's created. But what about in KH2? Stitch's behavior in the computer room seems to suggest he's bad, but his helping in the battle against the Heartless seems to suggest he's good. And his use of a ukulele in one of his attacks seems to suggest that he's already met Lilo.

** Considering that they are in a city and it's still standing, Stitch must have been ignoring his programming and merely acting mischevious (as he's known to do). So I'd chalk him up to the "Good, but unpredictable" category.

** Nah, Stitch isn't really evil... just rather chaotic.

** don't forget Stitch may yet appear in 3D, so the movie's story could be reenacted, adding to this discussion.

** It's implied that our heroes, who aren't from the world, aren't bound by the laws of the world. Thus, they are able to kill the cursed pirates.

*** Exactly. Pete even says that "They have a kind of magic that doesn't belong in this world. No telling what it might do to ya!" Course, bad guys being bad guys, the pirates are so confident that they don't try to protect themselves, save Barbossa during the boss battle.

** I thought it was Xemnas, Saïx, and Luxord.

** Saïx is Xemnas's #2; Xigbar is Master Xehanort's #2. The only reason Xigbar isn't #2 to Xemnas was because he lost his memories of Master Xehanort. Xigbar is probably still trying to carry out the plan even when Xemnas doesn't remember. Master Xehanort doesn't seem the type to not have a few back up plans.

** Xehanort appeared to be the only guy who knew enough to keep his Heartless sapient ({{spoiler|most likely due to him having the abilities of ''two'' Keyblade Masters}}), and even then he was left mostly powerless without a physical body to hijack. If any of the other XIII members could pull that trick, they'd be little more than ghosts without someone to possess. They're probably just some random, maybe boss-level heartless that Sora/Roxas/Riku killed at some point.

*** I guess that makes sense. That also explains why the Organization wants Sora and/or Roxas to kill as many Heartless as possible; it increases the chances of their own Hearts joining Kingdom Hearts.

*** [[Word of God]] says that they were just normal Heartless running around.

** But they were strong people like Xeanort, so wouldn't their Heartlesses look even vaguely like their Nobodies?

*** It does not even matter if is in japanese because of the english voice actors.

*** Hey, be glad they haven't announced a Final Mix version of 358/2 Days, space limitations and all.

** Never! As said before, some of us can't read Japanese, and it wasn't really a problem with KH:FM since it added so little with all the recolors and all, but it just got downright ridiculous with KHIIFM+ by adding not only new keyblades but around 14+ bosses, another form, and more plot elements that show up later.

** Nah, he just stopped listening to Sora's fashion tips.

*** Yeah no more stupid blue clown shoes for him. not that I don't like them.

* This probably bugs me because I'm a Nightmare fan, but am I the only one annoyed by the fact that in [[Kingdom Hearts]] 2, [[Nightmare Before Christmas|Jack]] [[Aesop Amnesia|forgot that it's a bad idea to take over Christmas]] despite the fact that HE GOT BLOWN UP BY THE MILITARY?! Seriously, one of the reasons this troper likes the Little Mermaid and TNBC levels in the first game is instead of recycling the plots from the movies, they came up with new stories. When they recycled the plots for the sequel, it would be okay if this was the first time Jack tried to take over Christmas, but ''nope'', it's the second time around, making Jack look like a [[Too Dumb to Live|dumbass]] and this troper [[Head Desk|have bruises on her forehead]].

** This is an alternate continuity from the movies. Or was there a previous take-over of Christmas in the games too that I forgot about?

** Jack Skellington LOVES Christmas. And maybe he wanted a chance to do it correctly this time and have Santa Claus forgive him (he was still pretty pissed at Jack in the game).

** Wait. He tried to take over Christmas in KHII? I don't remember that. I do remember him being framed for attempting it again.

*** Yes, he's a little naïve, but he isn't a ''complete'' idiot. Actually, Jack taking over Christmas again wouldn't bug me so much if it weren't for the fact that last time, Jack got hit over the head quite literally with an anit-aircraft shell that doing so is a bad idea. You would think being blown up would prevent [[Aesop Amnesia]]. *shrugs* Maybe it bugs me so much because Jack for some reason rubs me the wrong way in KH2. [[MST3K Mantra|Aw well]].

** You do know there is a period of time between BBS and when they become Nobodies, right? If you don't want to take Nomura's word seriously, then go for it, but just know you'll probably be gobsmacked in the fandom for not believing him. Also, why wouldn't you believe him when he said they could come back, it's basically him saying "I could bring back any character I want". He's basically admitting to the ability to whore out his characters, instead of definitively saying they're gone forever.

** Though he does seem to lie and you should only take his word second only to what is in the games, you seem to be completely ignoring the in game fact that BBS takes place ten years before KHI, so it gives plenty of time for them to age before actually discovering heartless.

** Riku rejected it and expelled it when he transformed Soul Eater into Way To The Dawn.

*** Actually, Riku already had Way to the Dawn when he got to The Castle That Never Was. Xehanort's Heartless was wiped from Riku's heart when Ansem the Wise's Kingdom Hearts Encoder exploded.

* In KHII, does Sora ever learn that he was asleep for an entire year?

** Yes. When Yuffie asks where they've been, Goofy replies, "We were sleepin'," without anyone noting anything unusual.

*** It bugs the hell out of me when this happens, a character is out of comission for a long time, and when they wake up no one tells about how long they've been gone and they just shrug it off. What interesting things happened to certain worlds during Castle Oblivion, or the worlds that were not revisited in 538/2 Days? Explain game, EXPLAIN!

* Am I the only one who can't get through the games on their own? This troper is good at adventure and role playing games. However she can't seem to play them without a guide. It's mostly the battles in KH2 and the levels in KH1.

** You're not alone. I'm not much of a gamer and got into KH for the story. I had to look up where to get the stupid yellow coconuts on Destiny Islands and just kept the guide handy from there. Although I had an easier time with [[KH 2]], I still have to look up strategies on certain bosses.

** My guess is, just like Cloud and Sephiroth have been redefined to be the light and dark sides of a single being to fit into KH mythos better, KH Vivi is probably some form of benign Heartless (like the mushrooms), instead of a golem crafted from congealed stagnant souls. Maybe a golem made from congealed stagnant ''darkness'', who had obtained a heart and therefore the will to choose light some point in the past? Or maybe he's just a kid that looks like Vivi. Nomura doesn't like using characters he didn't make, so we'll never know.

*** Considering Nomura didn't want to put him in the game in the first place, we may never know.

* Why is it that Scrooge McDuck didn't get any voice-acting in the English games? I'm pretty sure Alan Young can still provide the character's voice.

* I'm just going to drop a lot of niggles here: What is up with the Pride Lands? It's optional to complete, why are we even going there? In fact at one point, Sora asks if anyone has seen Riku or a guy with a black coat... news flash, Sora, he's right there at the World That Never Was. You've already reunited with him, you can see him whenever you want. And all the Organization XIII members are either dead, inside of Sora, or behind a giant door. Or at least this is how events can play out. And what's the deal with the end when you "open a new pathway?" You don't. Nothing happens. And the giant gap that Sora has to jump over to learn Dash... how the hell did Goofy, a turtle, get over that gap? Or Rafiki? How did they get back? The side they originally jumped from was clearly higher up. And Space Paranoids... what is the deal with the password? There is no way it is literally the names of all seven princesses of heart. How can you know which order they are in? To put in spaces? To put in commas? To capitalize properly? To spell correctly? This password works on the first try, and is a guess. That is not how passwords work! And Tron gets blasted with an energy ball by one of those guys that blasted a giant hole through the game grid wall. Would this not derezz him? And why aren't we getting derezzed at any given moment? The only reason given was "we don't have the password yet," but the moment Tron enters it he could have easily have been derezzed. Or at any time during the boss battle with him. And the new password was only to buy time? It was the whole reason for not de-rezzing Tron in the first place, how can that just "buy time?" Why isn't my suit getting zapped like in the intro at any point? Augh! Etc.!

** Ooh! Ooh! I can answer two of these! We go to the Pridelands because... it makes this wonderful game last longer. It's sad when the adventure is over. And also, Lion King lovers need their nostalgia fix. Also, the passwords. In one of the Final Mix+ scenes, Xemnas is shown entering the Room of Sleep. To do so, he pulls up a screen on the computer that actually has SIX text boxes for passwords (the common theory is that the password is Xehanort-Braig-Dilan-Even-Aeleus-Ienzo). So the passwords would be entered in seven different text boxes, not all as one word/phrase. Remember, this is a fantasy world with fantasy technology!

** You are supposed to go to the Pride Lands earlier. It may be an optional world, but it still has a place in the story. As for the not de-rezzing thing; [[Gameplay and Story Segregation]]. And if you look at the computer, there are seperate slots he types in the passwords at, and if any password could work on any of them, it's just the combination of them all.

** As for how Goofy got across the gap, maybe Donald carried him over.

* In the Pride Lands, why does Simba struggle with trying to get back up on Pride Rock and act like he will die if he falls? I can jump off Pride Rock and higher places easily. Sure, that happened in the movie, but when Sora's around, no fire or lighnting.

*** True, I suppose. Plus, the [[Inverse Ninja Law]] would probably kick in even if they all had the full power of Xion.

*** Because Marluxia and Axel were able the halt the project by {{spoiler|killing Vexen, who was in charge of the project. It was most likely Xion and Riku Replica's production that forced Marluxia and Saïx to put their plans into motion.}}

** Yeah, definitely a troll. Just look at how he acted towards Roxas regarding Xion, who he was in on the Dark Secret of. Like the rest of the Organization, he goes through the motions of what gave him strong emotions back when he had a heart out of longing and habit, and he was enough of a douchebag that what gave him the strongest and easiest emotion, the thing that he would therefore imitate the most, is dicking around with people's expectations, curiosities, and desires. Ienzo/Zexion is at his core a scholar, one defined by curiosity. As such, the easiest way to fuck with him would naturally be to play off that curiosity and then giggle behind his back about how Xigbar knows the secret and Zexion doesn't, and maybe lead him on wild goose chases and false clues and ideas.

*** To further on Xigbar's dickishness, towards the end of ''Days'', there are several scenes where Saïx, Xigbar, and Xemnas are in the meeting room and while Saïx is being serious, talking about heart collection progress and Roxas and Xion's development, Xigbar is just there, joking around, dropping hints all about the plan that Saïx so wants to know about, insinuating that he knows where Naminé went and overall being a douche. I'd say his [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder]] almost makes Axel's look tame.

*** Its not really [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder]] since his loyalty to Master Xehanort/{{spoiler|Terranort}}/Xemnas never changed over the twelve year period we've seen him; he's just [[The Dragon]], and enough of a douchebag to be a really, really, ''really'' [[Bad Boss]] to the lower ranked members of the [[Quirky Miniboss Squad]] insofar as informing them of stuff and goading them on in unfortunate directions goes.

**** Well, the Organization is basically built on [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder]] because its stated goal, getting hearts to all its members, is complete bull and only the top two know it. The difference between Xigbar and Xemnas in this regard, is that while Xemnas is content with letting the plans proceed, using a bizarre combination of a [[Xanatos Roulette]] and [[Xanatos Speed Chess]], Xigbar basically screws with everyone whenever possible, openly telling everyone what the plans are, and how it's gonna screw them over, then laughing at them when they don't get it. I think on some level he likes being in on the joke, but he likes everyone else not being in on it more.

** That does seem to be more the result of Naminé's powers than anything else.

** To be fair, {{spoiler|Xion was a bad choice to put in, mainly because she wasn't a normal Nobody or anything; she was made from Sora's memories. The reason no one remembers her is because she wasn't really her own person -- she was a doll who bases herself off of Sora's memories.}}

** Maybe he was just pausing from eating it to think about stuff.

** I do occasionally. He was probably deep in thought and sucking on a piece and it melted away in his mouth.

** First of all, Nomura doesn't like canon pairings, so Sora and Kairi probably won't end up together, despite the overwhelming evidence that they have romantic feelings toward each other. As such, other pairings will continue. As for Roxas and Naminé, their feelings toward each other are ''far'' more debatable. Sora and Kairi grew up together; Roxas and Naminé met once, briefly, in simulated Twilight Town, and then once again briefly in The World that Never Was. Then they smiled at each other in the ending. While you are completely entitled to shipping them together, you have to admit that there isn't a whole lot of evidence for them having romantic feelings toward each other, unless Roxas and Naminé have borrowed romantic feelings from Sora and Kairi (in which case Roxas would also project those borrowed feelings onto Xion).

*** Alright, I'll give you the Nomura thing, but there is a LOT of subtext for their relationship. Kairi is his light and all that. But Nomura never actually said that there wasn't going to be any pairings at all, so that excuse isn't exactly stable. He isn't the only member of the team that creates the games. Whether Roxas and Naminé are borrowing the emotions from Sora and Kairi or {{spoiler|they have their own hearts (Roxas has Ven's... kind of, and Naminé isn't techinically a true nobody. We don't even know what she actually is)}} shouldn't have much bearing over the fact that if Sora and Kairi get together, they most likely will as well. And, come on, what about the whole "As long as Sora and Kairi are together, We can be together." thing Naminé says to Roxas. Scenes from KHII: FM+ and the manga and novels also show that Naminé watched over Roxas in the virtual Twilight Town along with Axel. I disagree with the Xion thing; She {{spoiler|it}} is more of Sora than she is of Kairi. Roxas arguably could've felt ''something'' when he was with her {{spoiler|it}}, but it was more likely that he felt whole near her instead of love.

**** Y'all are forgetting this is not just Nomura, but Disney we're dealing with here...

***** And <s>nearly</s> every [[Disney]] movie/cartoon/game ends with a couple living "happily ever after".

***** With [[Crack Pairing|the kind of pairings the KH fandom dreams up]], imagination can be a BAD thing.... Also, Donald and Goofy compare Sora and Kairi to Disney couples several times, and Sora even imagines himself and Kairi in place of one.

****** So there you are. Ample evidence to suggest that Sora and Kairi are soul mates. And since there's no explicit romance, equal evidence that the two are nothing but old, dear friends who happen to be of the opposite sex. It works both ways and everyone wins.

* So, why is Xemnas unable to use the Guardian?

** I'd guess because it's the POWER OF DARKNESS or something. All Xemnas has is Nothingness.

** The Guardian is a Heartless and Heartless fight Nobodies? Also, the fact that you killed it in the first game might slow it down a bit...

* It bugs me that I'm like, the only person I've ever encountered who likes Kingdom Hearts II more than 1. 1 was great, don't get me wrong, but it didn't suck me in like II did. And I honestly don't know why everyone hates the story; it really isn't ''that'' bad. Hell, I even thought the battle system was a bit more fun. Let the flaming commence.

** YMMV, naturally, but you're not alone. KHII is my favorite in the series.

* How come the Organization didn't go to the [[Lion King]] World?

*** Besides? What animals would they probably be? I hope it's not all lions.

* Why does Twilight Town even exist? We first saw it as a reflection of the memories of the dark side of Sora's soul, okay. Next, we saw it as a computer simulation made to house Roxas. Strange, but fine. And then... there's also a real one. So does Sora have [[Reality Warper]] powers and ''created'' it with his twisted memories? is he secretly psychic, and had a premonition?

** No, it always existed, and the computer simulation housing Roxas reflected it. The illusion reflecting the Dark Side of Sora's soul showed Twilight Town because, as 358/2 Days shows, at that point Roxas (i.e., the other part of Sora moving about at that point) had spent most of his out-of-castle time there, as well as already forming his mental association of "clocktower+ice cream sharing=friendship" which was the strongest psuedoemotion he had.

** It wasn't just something they made up and dismissed for KHII; it was basically the whole plot of Chain of Memories.

** Sora transforms in order to fit in where they are, so as to not raise suspicion. That wasn't necessary for Simba being summoned.

** As I understand it, a Nobody is created when a Heartless is created, and you can only create a Heartless from a heart that has darkness in it. By definition, the Princesses of Heart have hearts of pure light. Ergo, no Heartless, and therefore no Nobody.

** Hmm... but Kairi did create the nobody Namine, yet made no heartless. Was it a fluke given that her heart was inside Sora's (a guy with a normal darkness possessing heart) body?

* A gameplay-related question: Why is summoning disabled when fighting Xigbar? There are no missing party members, and nowhere is it stated that summons are disabled before or during the battle.

** That is probably because the area where you fight Xigbar changes so much, couple that with the fact the Xibar attacks almost constantly, and you can find that your partymembers can be easily knocked out. Not to mention that summoning takes some gamers a lot of time to actually summon anything. So my theory is that the developers left it out on purpose.

** Sora ''was'' his Heartless.

*** So, when Sora sacrificed himself, he was his own Heartless? If so, then why did Ansem get his own Heartless "and" Nobody? Along with the other Organization Members?

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