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[[Lawrence Talbot]], originally portrayed by Lon Chaney Jr., is the first and most famous incarnation of [[The Wolf Man]], albeit not the first incarnation of werewolves in general. He's appeared, so far, in six movies (five of which feature Chaney in the role, and the sixth is a remake), two [[Neil Gaiman]] stories, various novels, and one shortlived (but rumored to return) [https://web.archive.org/web/20090930015043/http://www.studiotriumph.com/talbot/?comic=1 webcomic]. He's the [[Trope Codifier]] for most werewolf tropes, and one of the more human and tragic iterations of the lycanthrope story.
In every incarnation (most of which fit more or less within the same continuity, 2010 remake exempted) he's the estranged son of Welsh lord John Talbot. After the events of the first movie, Talbot's appearances fall generally into one of three categories:
* He's looking for someone to cure him (''[[Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man]]'' and ''[[House of Dracula]]'').
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* He's [[Genre Savvy|given up on trying to die]], and gone into business as a private eye and or monster hunter, trying to make up for his [[The Atoner|involuntary murderings]]. In the Gaiman and webcomic interpretations of this option, he's become a [[Deadpan Snarker]] and [[Knight in Sour Armor]].
==== Original movie series: ====
* ''[[The Wolf Man]]'' (1941)
* ''[[Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man]]'' (1943)
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==== Remake movie (series?): ====
* ''[[The Wolf Man]]'' (2010)
==== Other works: ====
* "Only the End of the World Again" and "Bay Wolf" (short stories by [[Neil Gaiman]])
* ''[[A Night in the Lonesome October]]'' (novel by [[Roger Zelazny]])
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* ''Talbot'' (webcomic)
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* [[Alternate Continuity]]: The 2010 remake. The webcomic and Gaiman stories both build on the original movies, and don't actually contradict one another. In fact, since both the comic and the Gaiman stories portray Talbot as a private detective, they fit pretty nicely together into the established continuity.
* [[Anguished Declaration of Love]]: His "Wouldn't wanna run away with a murderer" speech in the first movie is an interesting version of this, in that he doesn't actually say much about his feelings, specifically, but the context and his facial expressions make everything perfectly clear.
* [[Anti-Hero]]: Talbot is a Type II. The Wolf occasionally plays as a Type V.
* [[Arch Enemy]]: Dracula. Alternatively, his own [[Super-Powered Evil Side]].
* [[The Atoner]]: The longer he's been a werewolf in any given work, the more likely he is to be this.
* [[Because Destiny Says So]]: He's pretty much destiny's bitch, as a certain poem he can't seem to get away from so succinctly points out. The worst time was when destiny decided he had to kill the woman he loved.
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** Somewhat hypocritically Talbot at one point tries to use this to get Wilbur to help him go after Dracula.
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'''Wilbur''': Let Chick go with Destiny. }}
* [[Big Damn Heroes]]/[[Big Damn Villains]]: Has pulled a lot of these over the years. Hard to say which is which with him, as
** His first attempt at doing this failed, and earned him his curse.
** In [[House of Dracula]], he shows up just in time to save the day.
** In [[Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein]], his transformation occurs just in time to fight off [[Dracula]].
** In [[Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man]], he transforms just in time to save the girl from the titular monster.
* [[Blessed with Suck]]: He's immortal and he heals very quickly... but he also regularly and involuntarily turns into a horrible monster that tries to kill his loved ones (and anybody else).
* [[Body Horror]]: Suffers through this at least once a month, and nightly throughout Autumn.
* [[Cassandra Truth]]: Talbot dutifully tells pretty much anyone who will listen that he's a werewolf. They never listen.
** They also never listen when he points out that [[Dracula]] [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|is Dracula]].
* [[Catch Phrase]]: Several.
** "You don't understand!" Usually delivered while grabbing someone by their shirt and shaking them.
** "You've got to believe me!" or some variation.
** "Last night I went through another one of my horrible experiences. Many years ago I was bitten by a werewolf. Now, whenever the full moon rises I turn into a wolf myself. "
** Not originally Talbot's line, but he's heard it so many times and occasionally ends up reluctantly quoting it himself: "Even a man who is pure of heart, and says his prayers by night, may become a wolf when the wolfsbane blooms, and the Autumn moon is bright."
*** In several of the sequels, the final line is changed to "And the moon is full, and bright!" The webcomic implies that both poems are accurate; Talbot transforms on full moons, and every night during Autumn.
* [[The Casanova]]: Talbot's a pretty suave ladies' man before becoming a werewolf, and every once in a while he stops angsting long enough for it to show through.
* [[Complete Monster]]: Eventually averted. In the earlier movies, the Wolf itself was actively malicious. Eventually, though, it at least reaches a point where it would rather go after [[Dracula]] [[Even Evil Has Standards|than a helpless victim]] when given the choice.
* [[Continuity Nod]]: The villain of the second story arc in the webcomic is almost certainly Elsa Frankenstein, last seen in [[Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man]].
** The poem, which shows up in every movie (usually with Talbot lampshading it), as well as in the comic.
* [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]: Talbot's racked up a few.
** Diving off a balcony into a waterfall, grabbing Dracula (in bat form) out of mid air to keep him from getting away.
** His fight with [[Frankenstein's Monster]] holds up surprisingly well.
** Getting the better of [[Eldritch Abomination|Innsmouth]] in one of the Gaiman stories.
* [[Death
* [[Death Seeker]]: On and off.
* [[Despair Event Horizon]]: A little too frequently, really. At least once per movie. The Gaiman stories and webcomic wisely avoid this.
* [[Dogged Nice Guy]]: [[Incredibly Lame Pun|Get it?]]
* [[Downer Ending]]: Put it this way: the ''happiest'' ending to any of the movies is when Talbot has to kill the man who cured him.
* [[Dying as Yourself]]: Tablot's tried it without much luck a few times (including jumping off a cliff), but every time he dies, he dies hairy. He does revert to human form after dying, though.
* [[Evil Is Petty]]: Dracula goes out of his way to be a dick to Talbot.
* [[Expy]]: [[Freakazoid!]] featured Lonny Talbut, who looked and exacted exactly like Larry.
* [[Fate Worse Than Death]]: His feelings about being a werewolf.
* [[Genre Savvy]]: [[Played for Drama]]. Every time Talbot is brought back from the dead, offered a cure, or meets a girl, he pretty much knows what's coming but can do next to nothing about it.
* [[Foe Yay]]: A bit with Elsa in the webcomic.
* [[Fur Against Fang]]: Against [[Dracula]]. Arguably the [[Trope
* [[Go-Karting with Bowser]]: He goes to a costume party with Dracula in one of the movies.
** [[Word of God]] claimed that had the webcomic continued, he and Dracula would have had an annual one-day truce to have dinner together on Christmas.
* [[Guile Hero]]: What he eventually evolves into in the Gaiman stories and the webcomic.
* [[Gypsy Curse]]: Yup.
* [[Heroic Sacrifice]]: Any chance he gets.
* [[He Who Fights Monsters]]: Inverted; Talbot starts fighting other monsters because he's already (involuntary) become an inhuman killing machine.
* [[Hope Spot]]: Gets one about [[Once an Episode]]. [[Cosmic Plaything|It never lasts]].
* [[Horror Hunger]]: The wolf isn't just a wild animal; it's a compulsive murderer. And, occasionally, it picks predetermined targets [[Because Destiny Says So]]. Like, say, Talbot's girlfriend.
* [[Human Popsicle]]: briefly, between the second and third movie.
* [[Involuntary Shapeshifting]]: Yup.
* [[Ironic Echo]]: Frequently, usually involving a certain poem.
* [[Implacable Man]]: To [[Dracula]], on occasion.
* [[Iron Woobie]]: It helps that he's immortal.
* [[It's Not You, It's My Enemies]]: An interesting case in that the enemy in question is Talbot's [[Super-Powered Evil Side]].
* [[Karmic Death]]: Talbot's handed out a couple.
** At the beginning of the second movies, he kills some grave-robbers...inside of a tomb.
** In the comic's first story arc, Talbot {{spoiler|wolfs out on the villain who'd been faking werewolf attacks.}}
* [[Knight in Sour Armor]]: Slowly becomes this over the course of the movies. Goes [[Up to Eleven]] in the Gaiman stories and the webcomic.
* [[Lightning Bruiser]]: In his wolf form, he's very agile, and more-or-less invulnerable to everything but silver. While still being strong enough to wrassle with [[Mighty Glacier|Frankenstein's Monster]].
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: In-story, Talbot considers the murders he commits as the wolf to qualify. Some supporting characters agree with him, others don't.
* [[Narm Charm]]: The original makeup has not aged gracefully, and never looked much like a wolf to begin with and yet... it works.
* [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]]: He has this to say to anybody who brings him back from the dead, lets him out of a cage, or otherwise lets him loose. Not quite [[Once an Episode]], but pretty often.
** Talbot dicking around in Castle Frankenstein leads to the Monster being revived in [[Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man]].
* [[Occult Detective]]: Ends up as one of these.
* [[Odd Friendship]]: When human, Talbot gets along very well with the Frankenstein monster.
** [[Fridge Brilliance]] because even if the monster goes into one of its trademark rages, it can't really hurt Talbot in any permanent way.
* [[Older Than They Look]]: Talbot always looks to be in his mid 30s. But he's actually much older (how old depends on whether or not you count the years he spent dead).
* [[Only Sane Man]]: CONSTANTLY.
* [[Our Werewolves Are Different]]: Talbot can only be killed by a silver bullet, a silver knife, or the head of a silver cane. And even then, he only stays dead until the body is exposed to moonlight.
* [[Police Are Useless]]: In every single Talbot appearance to date. Justified in that if Talbot's in the story, it probably involves something a little bit beyond the police's ability to deal with.
** Averted in the 2010 remake, where Hugo Weaving's inspector is very competent, and influence the plot a number of times.
* [[Private Detective]]: He's this in the Gaiman stories and the webcomic. He's pretty close to this in the final movie, as well, tracking Dracula all over the world.
* [[Private Eye Monologue]]: In the Gaiman stories and the second story arc of the webcomic.
* [[Screw Destiny]]: He's always trying to pull this off. He never manages it intentionally, sadly, but he is spared from killing his girlfriend in the first movie when his father beats him to death.
* [[Sealed Evil in a Can]]: Talbot was actually briefly this when frozen under Castle Frankenstein. He gave a decent [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]] speech to the scientist who thawed him out. Only problem one, [[Mad Scientist|the scientist]] [[Wrong Genre Savvy|wasn't a hero]].
* [[Serial Killer Killer]]: Later appearances depict him as this. Technically, he's been this since the first time he tried to kill himself.
* [[Shout-Out]]: Talbot's bookshelf in the webcomic is full of them, including [[Dracula]], [[The Necronomicon]], and [[Frankenstein|The Secrets of Life And Death]]:
** He has a copy of ''Donovan's Brain'' by Curt Siodmak... Curt Siodmak created Lawrence Talbot.
** Finally, he has two large volumes titled "[[Our Werewolves Are Different]]" and "[[Our Vampires Are Different]]," both by [[TV Tropes|T. Tropes]].
** The list of victims that appears on his desk is full of famous [[Film Noir]] and horror characters, specifically: [[A Nightmare on Elm Street|N. Thompson]], [[Halloween (film)|L. Strode]], [[The Big Sleep (film)|E. Mars]], and [[The Maltese Falcon|J. Cairo]].
* [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism]]: He starts out as idealistic as they come. He's spent every appearance since falling further down the scale.
* [[Super-Powered Evil Side]]: Talbot's wolf form is nigh-unkillable, and able to go toe-to-toe with the Frankenstein Monster and [[Dracula]].
* [[Tear Jerker]]: The ending of two out of five movies:
** In [[The Wolf Man]], he's beaten to death by his father.
** In [[House of Frankenstein (film)|House of Frankenstein]], he's killed by his love interest... seconds after mortally wounding her.
** Also from [[The Wolf Man]], his [[Hope Spot]] is over pretty quickly. His love interest accepts him, they make plans to run away together, and he pretty much immediately finds out that he's doomed to kill her [[Because Destiny Says So]].
* [[Ten-Minute Retirement]]: Any time he gets killed/cured/frozen solid. It never lasts.
* [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny]]: Talbot's involved in several of these; the final three movies in the original series involve not only Talbot, [[Dracula]], and the Frankenstein Monster, but an evil [[Mad Scientist]] and his hunchback ([[House of Frankenstein (film)|House of Frankenstein]]), a good [[Mad Scientist]] who ends up a Mr. Hyde-esque monster ([[House of Dracula]]), and finally [[The Invisible Man (film)|The Invisible Man]] (althought he didn't do much) and a [[The Vamp|vampiric seductress]] ([[Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein]]).
* [[What Could Have Been]]: The webcomic. [[Word of God]] states that it was going to span a 70+ year timeline, out of sequence, and attempt to marry [[Film Noir]] and classic horror tropes, but it ended up ending abruptly during the second story arc when the whole studio imploded. While it didn't last very long, it was by far the most successful comic on the site, and rumors persist that it's going to return, mostly fueled by the site recently being re-activated and cleaned up.
* [[What Happened to the Mouse?]]: Talbot attacks somebody in the last movie, and the guy lives through it. We never find out if he becomes a wolf himself, though. In fact, throughout the movies we never find out if Talbot's bite transfers the curse. In the older movies, this may be intentional; his wolf form is substantially different than the one that bit him, and it's not clear that he can pass it on. The 2010 remake implies pretty heavily that he can, though.
** Heck, the last time we see Talbot in the original series, he's falling off a cliff fighting Dracula. The movie doesn't bother to indicate what happens after they land.
* [[Who Wants to Live Forever?]]: Not Lawrence.
* [[The Woobie]]: Never mind the curse itself, that's beginner stuff. If Talbot gets a love interest, she'll either be dead by the end of the movie (frequently by his hand) or end up with somebody else. Also, his horrible transformation forced his father to beat him to death, which lead to the father's [[Despair Event Horizon]] and death soon after. Also, the universe loves to [[Yank the Dog's Chain]] ([[Incredibly Lame Pun|so to speak]]), frequently dangling a cure in front of Talbot. Occasionally, it may even work temporarily... but it never [[Status Quo Is God|sticks]].
* [[Yank the Dog's Chain]]: Lots. A particularly vicious one from the first movie is mentioned above, but the second movie isn't much better. He travels across Europe, hearing of a brilliant scientist who could help him ([[Frankenstein]]), but by the time he gets to the Doctor's castle, he's long since deceased. Talbot's persistent, though, and manages to find both Frankenstein's notes, and a scientist willing to use them. Then the scientist decides to re-power the monster [[For Science!]], and it all goes to Hell.
** Again in the third movie, the [[Mad Scientist]] villain keeps promising to cure Talbot, but has no intention of doing so and both Talbot and his love interest end up dead because of it.
** Again in between the fourth and fifth movies; he seems to be cured at the end of ''[[House of Dracula]]'', but it doesn't last.
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