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*** Well Jiraiya is a Kage level ninja he had more important things to do (getting info on another Kage level ninja Orochimaru and a Kage level "group" Akatsuki), it's only when Akatsuki starts going directly after Naruto that he decides to train him (before Naruto annoying him into teaching him how to walk on water, then he thought him summoning jutsu to defend himself a little since he was the Kyubi vessel) and Kakashi doesn't teach anyone who doesn't pass his test of approval.
*** Actually Jiraiya was Konoha's spymaster. He was too important to be chained to Konoha and raise a kid. He was needed on the field not only to keep an eye on Orochimaru and eventually Akatsuki, but against all other potential threats as well. Kakashi on the other hand doesn't really have an excuse as he could have been there and would have had help looking after Naruto if he had to go on a mission. Heck, Sarutobi himself could have adopted Naruto as he would have had help from not only Asuma, but Konohamaru's parents as well. Leaving Naruto to fend for himself is one of the biggest face palm -moments in the series.
*** I agree that leaving baby Naruto alone with no parental guidance/family etc was a bad move, but in the case of why Kakashi did not look after him, he does have a small excuse. When Naruto was born, Kakashi would have only been 14-1614–16 years old, and there is the chance that he was at the time, a bit of an emotional basket case (what with the memories of his father and Obito's death, and the recent death of his sensei). He may not have been capable of looking after Naruto full time, however he could have at least fostered some sort of relationship with him (as a friend or older brother figure even!)
**** Kakashi also entered into the ANBU sometime after Obito's death. Between his emotional state just after said fact and then becoming an ANBU, he has well enough of an excuse to not have been looking after a child.
* Why has it occurred to no-one to tell Naruto who his father is? Don't they think he might want to know - hell the kid was seriously depressed and acting out half his life - what's wrong with giving him someone to look up to?
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*** He resembles the former leader of the village, has the last name of the leader's wife, is an orphan, should be pretty obvious who he is, and has Jiraaya as his godfather, shouldn't that get them to be a bit nicer to him.
*** The common fanfic explanation is that the information is clasified to protect Naruto life, as being the son the yellow flash would surely put him on the to-kill list of at least Iwa. And even considering his similarities to the fourth (which in this tropers opinion is little more than eye and hair colour), a bit of sealing jargon by the third could easily make most ignore the similarities.
*** It's the human nature obscuring their vision - his name was not Namikaze, and thus any potential relations to Minato were instantly outed because "how could a daemon be related to one of the greatest ninjas ever". Yes, [[Humans Are the Real Monsters|Humans Are Bastards]], but that's hardly different from real life (other than the fact we don't have daemons and such), and it's proven that people are less inclined to search for additional information on someone they hate (even if they have no justification for that), because that would mean caring about the existence of the hated thing.
* Still, consider this. Nobody apparently made the plans to tell him at some point. Its like all those who did know were just sitting on their asses talking and reminiscing about Minato and Kushina without even thinking; "Hey wait a minute, we need to tell their son about them."
** Look no further than Tsunade and Jiraiya's last meeting before Jiraiya leaves for Amegakure. Jiraiya knew he might not come back, and as a last request he could have said: "Tell Naruto the truth," or even Tsunade or Kakashi could have taken the initiative on their own, (Remember that at this particular point its essentially common knowledge that Naruto has the Kyuubi, and that Akatsuki is after him, and he's now able to take care of himself).
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== Sasuke ==
 
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=== Sasuke's Revenge ===
* Wouldn't killing Sasuke end the cycle of revenge, seeing how there's nobody left who cares about him to avenge him should he ever die?
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=== Sasuke's Techniques and Fighting Abilities ===
* How does Sasuke expect to take on Kakashi in this latest setup? I mean, let's face it... He just offed Danzo. He's exhausted, while Kakashi is fresh. Even if Sasuke were to assume that Kakashi hadn't gotten more powerful over the three years since they'd last seen one another, why is he assuming that he can take out his former teacher? This isn't about revenge, either. It's not like his fight with Danzo or Itachi, where he went in with a strong emotional backing to want to push the fight to the limit. The sum total of Kakashi's offensiveness to him is Kakashi's association with Konoha. [[Wild Mass Guessing|I assume he's going to split]], because if he actually fights Kakashi at anything but a major disadvantage it'll be a huge [[Ass Pull]].
** Several reasons:<br />1 - He at least has some of his energy back from biting Karin, though admittedly not all of it.<br />2 - He has the stupidly overpowered Susanoo, which as far as he knows Kakashi has no hope of penetrating (just look at the effort it took Danzo to do it).<br />3 - Amaterasu fire eyes, which people can't really dodge (unless you're [[Memetic Badass|the Raikage]]).<br />4 - He's an over-confident, self-absorbed asshole who by this point thinks he's the greatest fucking thing on Earth. The ten-tailed beast could break out of the moon and he'd probably think he could win.<br /><br />As for the actual result, here's how I see it. First, he isn't going to run, not until he gets some blows in at least:<br />1 - He fights and loses, but either runs or Madara grabs him. It's not like Madara's that busy at the moment.<br />2 - He fights and wins, killing Kakashi, then Madara shows up to grab the eye. <s>Kubo</s> Kishi seems to be going to a lot of effort to make Sasuke a monster, and killing Kakashi would do it.<br />3 - He fights, nearly wins, but Kakashi is saved by Naruto. Then he retreats.<br />4 - Same as above but without the retreating, and gets his sorry ass handed to him by Sage-powered Naruto, as a reminder to both the author himself and the audience who the goddamned protagonist of this story is (admittedly, this is wishful thinking on my part).
 
As for the actual result, here's how I see it. First, he isn't going to run, not until he gets some blows in at least:<br />1 - He fights and loses, but either runs or Madara grabs him. It's not like Madara's that busy at the moment.<br />2 - He fights and wins, killing Kakashi, then Madara shows up to grab the eye. <s>Kubo</s> Kishi seems to be going to a lot of effort to make Sasuke a monster, and killing Kakashi would do it.<br />3 - He fights, nearly wins, but Kakashi is saved by Naruto. Then he retreats.<br />4 - Same as above but without the retreating, and gets his sorry ass handed to him by Sage-powered Naruto, as a reminder to both the author himself and the audience who the goddamned protagonist of this story is (admittedly, this is wishful thinking on my part).
*** When did Kubo become the [[Mangaka]]? Most likely result, in This Troper's opinion: Kakashi roughes him up, they both try to deal a killing blow, Naruto comes in and saves both of them, then Sasuke does something stupid and ''evil'', which gives Naruto all the reason he needs to beat the tar out of him. Then Sasuke pulls some hax and escapes, or Madara comes in and saves him.
**** Damn you Bleach and your author with a K-sound name! That could work too.
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**** She's sixteen.
** One could say the same about Naruto.
* [[Fridge Logic]] moment: Discounting the vicious cycle angle, considering Sakura was bullied in her youth, why on earth is she so abusive of Naruto (at least earlier on; she is--foris—for the most part--gettingpart—getting better, though she's still dismissive and downright manipulative--ormanipulative—or so she ''attempts'' to be--atbe—at times)?! You'd think she'd have more empathy.
** People often like to bully the people they consider below them. It sucks, but they just take it as the natural way of life. I knew plenty of people in my school who were bullied by someone, only to turn and bully the kid that has an even more noticable flaw (for example, like stuttering) and considered below them. Also, keep in mind that Sakura was constantly trying to be one of the cool kids so Sasuke would like her (or did she like Sasuke because it was considered cool?), so since Naruto was the pariah, that made him a target for her.
** It is a Japanese thing. Sakura thumping Naruto is played for laughs. Notice she rarely does any serious damage to him. Moreover, she gets Flanderized in the anime and punches Naruto far, far more than she does in the manga. As for her behaviour towards him in Part 1, she's grown up a bit since then and is beginning to understand him.
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** Third option: as the saying goes, "There's old pilots, and there's bold pilots, but there ain't no old, bold pilots." They're old soldiers; they know their limits and what will get the job done.
*** Most of the fighting we've seen has shown the situational nature of any jutsu. Even if Kakashi remembers every technique he's seen, can use all of them, and has the understanding to apply them sensibly, he hasn't lived long enough to have experienced the kind of fight each one ''leads'' to. It could be the same reasoning which leads chess players to specialize in two or three opening combinations, even if they've studied a couple dozen. Kakashi's style is effective, and he does use his knowledge to predict what an opponent is likely to know for strategic or intimidation value (such as that copy-the-jutsu-before-it-starts trick he used on Zabuza). Given how intellectual his combat tactics really are, it might be very difficult to integrate random jutsu into his style... and certainly not a thousand of them.
** Keep in mind that Jiraiya has ''never'' been seen fighting at his true potential, against an opponent who seriously threatens him. His appearance during Destruction of Konoha is extremely brief, he's drugged by Tsunade at the end of Search for Tsunade, and Itachi and Kisame try deceptions and flee rather than directly fighting him, and he's off gathering intelligence about the Akatsuki for almost the entirety of part two. Itachi -- whoItachi—who is no pushover -- pointspushover—points out that if he and Kisame had tried to go toe-to-toe with Jiraiya, there would have been no doubt about the outcome. The Akatsuki leader, Pein, is supposedly going to attack Jiraiya soon in the manga, so we'll probably see the true extent of his abilities then.
*** That was what i was about to point out, we will be able to see his power soon. What worries me is that this is going to be [[The Worf Effect|a worf situation]] since he has already set up plans in case of failure and he doesn't know they know he is in the country. At the very least he can't ''win'' this battle.
*** He puts up a pretty damn good fight, and apparently manages to kill one? of Pain's 6 forms. We still have no idea what on earth those freaky eyes do, but Jiraya apparently knew something before his death, and sent off a messanger. Count me as confused.
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* Is Orochimaru really dead?
** Given how we're not definitely told whether Sasuke managed to kill him before he completed the soul transfer, just given strong hints, the possibility of an "Orochimaru all along" reveal is strong.
** There's also Kabuto, whose body is being taken over by the piece of Orochimaru he implanted into himself. Not quite the same -- yousame—you'd be left with a copy with Kabuto's memories of ol' Snakey; natural ability only; none of the thousands of jutsus he's supposed to have learned.
*** And yeah,I thought that was strange and out of character for Kabuto too.
** The way i see it, Orohimaru is dead, his power and personality are infecting Kabuto, his abilities have been absorbed by Sauske.
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== Misc ==
* Okay, so Tayuya is apparently 38.2 &nbsp;kg. Sasuke is 43.5 &nbsp;kg. Tayuya is able to catch the barrel containing Sasuke in midair and also run through trees with it held in front of her. For just about 8 hours. And she still has enough power in her hands left to play the flute and wrestle with Shikamaru... How's that for superhuman strength?
** Dude, they're magic ninjas and that's hardly the most surprising thing we've ever seen anyone do in the series.
** Alternatively focusing chakra in ones limbs is a standard technique used by all ninjas explaining the many feats of strength we've seen, Sakura and Tsunade just use it to a much greater degree.
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