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== [[Real Life]] ==
* [[Bruce Lee]] himself mentioned that this would be a stupid idea, although he was talking about using martial arts against guns but the idea is still the same.
** WhatThis manymay people,be includinginverted abovein [[Real Life]], missbut aboutonly thewith a lot of caveats. The famous [[wikipedia:Tueller Drill|Tueller Drill]] is founded on the idea that 21 feet, or whatever, is the distance at which aan average person with a melee weapon becomes a threat to someone with a holstered gun and that beyond that, a potential gunman can draw and shoot without getting stabbed at all. SomewhatSomehow it later on,got people[[Common addedKnowledge]]d theinto a notion of the knife "winning" from some distance below that, which is very far from reality:; someone with a gun is a lethal threat from maximum effective range down to 0.0m. The distance issue is more about not getting stabbed at all; the actual chance of the melee assailant both executing a stab and not taking severe return fire afterwards - and the human body is all but guaranteed to retain motor functions to complete draw-and-shoot evenunless after athe hit strikes somewhere critical - are never ones you'd want to bet on. Granted, there are many potential complicating factors, including but not limited to the speed of the melee assailant, the draw speed of the gunman, and their individual skills with their weapons. Larger melee weapons do have higher odds of interfering with return fire, though certainly not enough to make it a sure thing or even a particularly good idea, and the increased encumbrance also complicates the issue of successfully reaching the gunman. In other words, there are techniques to defend against a knife-wielding runner-in, but no sane martial training suggests knife-wielding running-in as a viable method of countering a firearm. [[Taking You with Me|More than once in one's life, anyways.]]
* This may be inverted in [[Real Life]] if the knife-user is skilled and/or the gun-user isn't. [[Your Mileage May Vary|Opinions differ]] on the details, but at very close ranges the one with the knife has a lot of advantages, which is compounded by the fact that outside of the police/military, people often massively overestimate their own ability to use a gun effectively.
** All things being equal, guns are better at distance of 10 m or more. At 3 m or less, the knifeman really may win. Between 3 and 10 m, everything depends on the gunman's skills (or rather lack of them). Most people are able to shoot only one shot at the time a running man can cover that distance, and if it misses, the knifeman literally has the edge. People not trained on handguns are likely to miss against a moving target, even at short distances.
** One of many reasons the Bayonet was invented. Shoot if he's far, fight if he's near.
** What many people, including above, miss about the [[wikipedia:Tueller Drill|Tueller Drill]] is that 21 feet, or whatever, is the distance at which a person with a melee weapon becomes a threat to a gunman. Somewhat later on, people added the notion of the knife "winning" from some distance below that, which is very far from reality: someone with a gun is a lethal threat from maximum effective range down to 0.0m. The distance issue is more about not getting stabbed at all; the actual chance of the assailant both executing a stab and not taking severe return fire afterwards - and the human body is all but guaranteed to retain motor functions to complete draw-and-shoot even after a hit - are never ones you'd want to bet on. In other words, there are techniques to defend against a knife-wielding runner-in, but no sane martial training suggests knife-wielding running-in as a viable method of countering a firearm. [[Taking You with Me|More than once in one's life, anyways.]]
*** One has somewhat better odds with slightly larger melee weapons; being hacked with a sword or axe or smashed with a club ''does'' tend to interfere with return fire, though certainly not enough to make it a sure thing or even a particularly good idea.
* In 2013, a man armed with a baseball bat and a knife attempted to rob a gun store in Portland, Oregon. [http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/26/us/gun-robber-armed-with-bat/ It ended about how you'd expect.]