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* When ''[[Urusei Yatsura]]'' was shown in the late 1990s, people complained that it was "just a rip off of ''[[Tenchi Muyo!]]!''". ''Urusei Yatsura'' had been parodying ''Tenchi'''s [[Unwanted Harem|genre]] since the ''late seventies''.
* Disgusted fans in various threads on several different anime forums complained that ''[[Mobile Fighter G Gundam]]'' (made in 1994) ripped off the plot and major themes of ''[[Zoids]]: New Century Zero'' (made in 2001). Their apparent reasoning was that because Zoids was the first show to air on Cartoon Network, it must have also been the first show to have been made in Japan.
* Similarly, ''[[Mazinger Z]]'' often faltered in international releases due to people accusing it of ripping off shows it inspired, such as ''[[Voltron]]'' and even it's own spinoff/sequel ''[[UFO Robo Grendizer]]''.
* Speaking of this genre its amazing how many people seem to think anime/manga invented the Mecha idea when actually Jules Verne and H.G.Wells had pretty much everyone beat by more than fifty years with a steam powered mechanical elephant and Martian [[Tripod Terror]]. Even ''[[Mazinger Z]]'' is beaten to the idea of human piloted Mecha by [[Robert A. Heinlein|Robert Heinlein's]] novel ''[[Starship Troopers (novel)|Starship Troopers]]''.
* Many people seem to complain that the video game series ''Tengai Makyou'' (AKA ''Far East of Eden'') is a ripoff in many ways of ''Naruto'', its main offenses being that it's overly Japanese, it features a character that can summon giant frogs, and has characters named Orochimaru, Jiriya (Ziria) and Tsunade. ''Tengai Makyou'' first came out 1989, ten years before ''Naruto'', and parodies much of the same Japanese mythology that ''Naruto'' draws on.
** Pretty much any series that features [[Ninja|ninjitsu]] as a main theme will be accused of ripping off ''Naruto''; for example, ''[[Ranma ½]]'' (manga 1987, anime 1989).
* ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' was a culmination of increasingly darker takes on the [[Super Robot]] genre. Many ''[[Gurren Lagann]]'' fans believe that it is the ''first'' anime to address this trend. However, both ''[[Mobile Fighter G Gundam|G Gundam]]'' and ''[[GaoGaiGar]]'' both did it long before Gurren Lagann -- ''[[Mobile Fighter G Gundam|G Gundam]]'' by being awesome, and ''[[GaoGaiGar]]'' by being specifically written as a [[Reconstruction]] of super-robot manga, which the author felt had been written from an increasingly dark and unpleasant angle.
** Likewise, many elements and concepts that people assume originated in ''[[Gurren Lagann]]'' were actually derived from the ''[[Getter Robo]]'' series -- particularly ludicrously oversized mecha, the idea of Spiral Energy and the risk of overusing it. And [[This Is a Drill|drills]], of course.
*** ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Eva]]'' had spiral energy - [[All There in the Manual|background material]] gives the source of the S2 organ's power as the double helix of DNA(which may just be the reason why ''[[Gurren Lagann|TTGL]]'' has its universe centered around it).
*** Speaking of [[Neon Genesis Evangelion]], while it is commonly viewed as [[Deconstruction]] of old Idealistic Super Robots show, some of the more notable one are actualy have been done before. Most notably, the idea of giving a teenager a power to destroy the world will have bad consequences actualy have been written in ''[[Mazinger Z]]'', right during the second chapter of the original manga, making it much of an [[Unbuilt Trope]]. Also, Tetsuya Tsurugi from ''[[Great Mazinger]]'' deconstructed the arrogant, [[Hot-Blooded]] [[Ace Pilot]] archetype long before Asuka Langley Sohryu. And ''[[Zambot 3]]'' deconstructed the whole genre including the [[Kid Hero]] trope- in the late seventies.
* People accuse [[Hellsing|Alucard]]'s design of being a ripoff of [[Devil May Cry|Dante]]'s, thanks to the fact that they both dual-wield black-and-white guns and wear bright red dusters. Devil May Cry: 2001. Hellsing: 1997.
** Dante's design is in fact a tribute to the main character of ''[[Space Adventure Cobra]]'' (1978).
*** It's funny people should accuse DMC for ripping off Alucard when at first he elicited cries of "[[Trigun|Vash]] rip-off!" To get even crazier: Vash is a guy who dresses in red, has blonde hair, a huge revolver and a gun hidden in his arm while [[Space Adventure Cobra|Cobra]] is...a guy who dresses in red, has blonde hair, a huge revolver and a gun hidden in his arm.
* When ''[[NEEDLESS]]'' began, many people complained about it shamelessly ripping off of ''Gurren Lagann'' due to its animation style and characters (most notably, Blade, who resembled Kamina). What they didn't know was that the manga of ''NEEDLESS'' started in 2004, 3 years before ''Gurren Lagann''.
** Besides, the notion of a wasteland populated by super-powered people was already explored in ''[[Vampire Hunter D]]'' (1985) and ''[[S-CRY-ed]]'' (2001).
* There are ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]'' fangirls who seriously think ''[[Vampire Knight]]'' is a ''Twilight'' rip-off. It's hard to say, really, because both of their source materials were published in 2005. but it's safe to say mangaka Matsuri Hino began working on ''Vampire Knight'' before the ''Twilight'' book was actually ''published'', not to mention translated and reprinted in Japan. Although this is still debatable, Twilight fangirls took it a little too far when they targeted ''[[Karin]]'' (because, you know, ''Karin'' has vampires that can walk under sunlight!).
** For that matter, there are persons who apparently think Stephanie Meyer invented the [[Friendly Neighborhood Vampire]] trope.
* Many so-called ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' "purists" insists on not using the term "Saiyan", the anglicized form of ''Saiyajin'', since it's a purely American invention according to them. What those people don't know is that the anglicization of "Saiyajin" to "Saiyan" was first used by Bandai for their ''Dragon Ball Z'' toys, such as the "Super Battle Collection" action figures, which predated any of the American adaptations.
** It's not even an anglicazation. It's a ''translation'', since the "jin" ending denotes being from that area, in this case "saiya", so the English way of saying that someone is from "saiya" would be "Saiyan."
** Fans of ''[[Dragon Ball Abridged]]'' seem to think that [[Chris Ayres]] may have taken inspiration from [[Little Kuriboh]] with his Frieza voice in ''[[Dragon Ball Kai|Kai]]''. However, both voices are based on [[Ryusei Nakao]]'s original performance, as opposed to Linda Young's version.
* ''[[Berserk]]'' was virtually unknown in the US until the 1997 anime fansubs gained a cult following. Because of this, it and the [[Sega Dreamcast|licensed game]] were often described as taking elements from [[Final Fantasy VII|other]] [[Rurouni Kenshin|works]] with [[BFS|giant swords]]. It was actually their inspiration.
** [[Final Fantasy VII]] fans in particular will still [[Hatedom|argue to the bitter end]] that Berserk had [http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4926/cluts.jpg nothing] [http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4610/cluts2.jpg to do] with influencing its protagonist and villain.
* It doesn't take much effort to find people who accuse ''[[Code Geass]]'' of being a rip-off of ''[[Death Note]]''. However, ''Geass'' was in development for five years before it came out in 2006, while ''[[Death Note]]'' first appeared in 2004.
** That doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a rip-off. Anyone who's ever worked on a television show of any kind will tell you that the concept evolves in development, and that new ideas can be incorporated right before or during principal production. Creators aren't known to always tell the truth about their works. Sometimes, the ''Word Of God'' is a lie. However, similar ideas executed in different ways? Not a rip-off by a long shot, or everything is a rip-off of something (except ''Highlander'').
*** ''[[Code Geass]]'' and ''[[Death Note]]'' don't really have that much in common besides some superficial similarities: both involve [[Xanatos Speed Chess]] and brilliant young men with self-righteous ideals who gain some sort of supernatural power by chance. That's just about it.
* [[Osamu Tezuka]]'s ''[[Kimba the White Lion]]'' series has received some flack for bearing similarities to Disney's ''[[The Lion King]]''... even though the original manga was created thirty years ago.
** Hell, Tezuka was ''dead'' for almost five years by the time ''The Lion King'' came out! Sensibly, more people make the opposite accusation in this case.
** This was parodied in [[The Simpsons]]: "You must avenge me, Kimba. I mean, Simba."
*** As he was writing Astro Boy and Asimov's stories started getting published apparently a bunch of people accused Tezuka of ripping of Asimov outright. Surprisingly enough Tezuka did come up with the concept of laws that had to be obeyed by robots before Asimov (or at least ''published'' such a thing first). Chances are that him and Asimov having the same idea was more than likely a coincidence.
* The phrase “[[Gratuitous English|Get chance and luck!]],” commonly associated with ''[[Angel Beats!]]'' character T.K., originated from "Get Wild", an ending theme to ''[[City Hunter]]''.
* Among ''[[Defense of the Ancients]]'' players, knowledge of “[[Shout-Out|Lina Inverse]], [[Slayers|The Slayer]]”'s origins is sparse enough where fanart (her appearance is a reskin of ''[[Warcraft|WC3]]'''s sorceress unit) and even fanfic has been created with no connection whatsoever to the original character.
* "Shall I cool your head a little", sometimes attributed to ''[[Lyrical Nanoha]]'', actually came from ''[[Dragon Ball]] Z''.
** Similarly, people seem to think that the nickname "the white devil" is simply one created for Nanoha, whereas it is in fact a a description of the original [[Mobile Suit Gundam|RX78-2 Gundam]] from in-universe, applied to Nanoha for ironic purposes.
* The ''[[Petite Pride|"Flat chest is a status symbol!"]] quote is always associated with [[Lucky Star|Konata]], as opposed to its original user [[SHUFFLE!|Mayumi]]. Which is weird, since Konata flat down says when she uses it she got it from "an [[Eroge]] character". Admitedly Mayumi doesn't use it on the anime, but still.
* When ''[[Uchuu Senkan Yamato|Space Battleship Yamato]]'' first aired on US tv, it was sometimes derided as a cartoon rip-off of [[Star Wars]]. However, Yamato (pilot episode premiered in 1974) came out 3 years before Star Wars (first theater screening in 1977). Productions, of course, came even sooner than that.
* [[Gurren Lagann|Kamina]]'s [[Catch Phrase]] of "Who the hell do you think I am?" can be traced back to [[Godannar|Shizuru]] several years earlier.
* Multi-route adaptation of a [[Dating Sim]]: If somebody thought ''[[Amagami]] SS'' was the first to do this, they must not have read ''[[KimiKiss]] - Various Heroines''. Developer Enterbrain must has preferred both of their franchises being adapted that way.
* When in ''Naruto'' {{spoiler|the Nine Tailed Fox's name is revealed as Kurama and the Four Tailed Gorilla's was revealed as Son Goku}}, some were up in arms, claiming Kishimoto ripped off of ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' and ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho]]'', despite the name of the former existing in Japanese folklore in a relevant tale, that of Tengu Kurama, while the latter is also a reference to ''[[Journey to the West]]'', a very pivotal book in Chinese Literature.
* When Digimon came out, it was blasted as a Pokemon ripoff because of its use of 'evolution' and monster collecting. Whether or not that Digimon did rip off Pokemon is debatable but it is also moot considering the [[Megami Tensei]] series already did the concept of monster collecting (with the use of computers even) long before either did.
* Hardcore fans of the [[Magical Girl]] genre are often surprised (and sometimes angered as seen from some posts on an [[Image Board]] which shall be unnamed) when people claim [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]] is a deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre when all it really does is use well-established magical girl tropes to great effect. The creator himself even admitted it's not a deconstruction at all.
** Good examples of the darker and edgier tropes seen in magical girl shows are the ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' manga (especially the final arc Sailor Stars), ''[[Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne]]'', ''[[Prétear]]'', and ''[[Full Moon o Sagashite]]''.
** Also ''[[Princess Tutu]]'', ''[[Uta Kata]]'', ''[[Earth Maiden Arjuna]]'', and the ''[[My-HiME]]'' franchise.
* Quite a few Western ''Naruto'' fans who see a kanchou being performed<ref>surprising someone by shoving one's index fingers into their butt crack</ref> will assume it's a reference to the "Sennen Goroshi" scene. Kanchouing is actually a popular real-life prank in Japan, the local equivalent to the American wedgie.
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