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** While we're on the subject, the 1986 horror movie ''Troll'' -- no connection to ''[[Troll 2]]'' -- contains a young boy named Harry Potter (played by Noah "[[The Neverending Story (film)|Atreyu]]" Hathaway) who enters a world of magic, befriends a witch, and fights a troll. This is [[Name's the Same|probably a coincidence]], though. Rowling has explicitly said as much (regardless of what you may have heard) and stranger coincidences of exactly the same sort have happened. Excellent further reading on the matter would be the story behind the name "Eleanor Rigby" in ''The Beatles Anthology''.
** An isolated castle containing a magic school, with a forest nearby? A protagonist who has no prior knowledge of the magical world? A rival who comes from a leading magical family? A hook-nosed Potions teacher who favours the rival and despises the protagonist? A kindly, grey-haired Head who is fond of the protagonist? Classes in Charms and broomstick riding? Yep, that's Jill Murphy's ''[[The Worst Witch]]'', six volumes published 1974, '80, '82, '93, 2005, 2007.
** Many of Rowling's elements also appear in Eleanor Estes' ''[[The Witch Family]]'', first published in 1960, and especially in [[Ursula K. Le Guin]]'s ''[[Earthsea Trilogy|A Wizard of Earth SeaEarthsea]]'', first published in 1968.
** There actually are people who think Rowling invented house elves, hippogriffs, or the concept of familiars.
*** There are doubtless people as well who think that ''[[Castlevania: Symphony of the Night]]'' invented hippogryphs. They go back at least as far as the early sixteenth century. See (ironically enough) the [[Newer Than They Think]] page for more on this.
*** Funnily enough, the concept of familiars in the [[Potter Verse]] is largely [[Fanon]]. While several characters own pets which have evident magical powers or at least [[Amplified Animal Aptitude]], nowhere in the books are they called "familiars" nor do they seem to have any particular significance in wizardingWizarding culture. As far as the books are concerned, Hedwig, for example, is just a pet and not some kind of mythical animal companion as fanfictionfan fiction would have you believe.
** A really pathetic example is [http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/6674 here]. Unbeknownst to most, J. K. Rowling put Biblical scripture on the tombstones in ''Deathly Hallows''. And now that website is citing J. K. Rowling as the author of a line spoken by Jesus.
** Many people think that ''[[Wizard's Hall]]'' by Jane Yolen was ripped-off of ''[[Harry Potter]]'' despite being written six years earlier. Yes it has a wizard's school as its main setting, but the characters are much weirder... in only the best ways.
** An episode of ''QI'' (with Daniel Radcliffe himself guest starring!) showed that several of Rowling's proper names can be traced back to real English words. "Hagrid" comes from "hag-ridden," to have dreams about witches and witchcraft. "Dumbledore" is an Old English word for a bumblebee. And "muggle" was originally jazz slang for marijuana! And it was most certainly not from "The Legend of Rah and the Muggles."
* Some people seem to think that [[Diane Duane]]'s ''[[Young Wizards]]'' books are ripoffs of ''[[Harry Potter]]'', when actually Diane Duane began publishing her books in the early '80s. The only thing they have in common is "ordinary kid becomes a wizard and fights evil", but the reprints of the books have often been marketed as "something to read after you've finished ''Harry Potter''." Duane has actually stated on her blog that she avoids reading the ''Harry Potter'' books in case anyone accuses her of ripping off Rowling's ideas for her latest books. The same has happened with the works of [[Diana Wynne Jones]], [[Susan Cooper]], and other young adult fantasy authors whose books went out of print for a while but experienced a resurgence in popularity after ''Harry Potter'' became a big hit, even though their books existed ''decades'' before Rowling began writing.
** One of the most nonsensical plagiarism allegations '''ever''' must surely be [[The Legend of Rah and the Muggles|Nancy Stouffer's]] claim that the ''[[Harry Potter (novel)|Harry Potter]]'' series is ripped off from her ''[[The Legend of Rah and the Muggles]]'' because, amongstamong other things, "both works take place in fantasy settings". Presumably, Stouffer has never heard of ''[[The Hobbit]]'', the entire ''[[Narnia]]'' series, or ''[[Gulliver's Travels|Gullivers Travels]]'', to name but a few examples. My ([[The Sixties|'60s]]) childhood was filled with many more, most of which were long-established even back then.
*** Not to mention being unaware that "Muggles" is a character in [[Carol Kendall]]'s ''[[The Gammage Cup]]'', from 1959.
** Rowling has also been aaccusedaccused by rabid fantasy fans of "stealing" the idea of the Invisibility Cloak from Tolkien's Ring; they're clearly unaware that the idea of a magic ring, cloak, Tarnhelm or whatever is a staple of the folklore of many lands, and that Tolkien didn't ''invent'' this idea any more than Wagner did when he used it about a century before Tolkien.
* Bizarrely, even ''[[Discworld]]'' itself has given us an example of this with the character of Genghis Cohen. Now, obviously, that's a reference to Genghis ''Khan'', but most Pratchett fans don't know that "Genghis Cohen" is also the name of a philatelist in ''[[The Crying of Lot 49]]''.
** The character was originally introduced as Cohen the Barbarian, quite possibly a play-on of ''[[Conan the Barbarian]]''.
** Some fans thought that Inigo Skimmer of ''The Fifth Elephant'' was a reference to/parody of Inigo Montoya of ''[[The Princess Bride (novel)|The Princess Bride]]'', as both are [[Career Killers]]. Pratchett corrected this, pointing out that Inigo is an old name and that if he was thinking of anyone, he probably got the name from [[wikipedia:Inigo Jones|Inigo Jones]].
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* Film novelizations have existed [[The Master Mystery|since the 1920s]].
** And novelizations of plays go back still further.
* This has been a problem with ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'': people whose only exposure to work is the films have said that there were a lot of cliché elements (such as the Witch-king [[No Man of Woman Born|being propheciedprophesied not to be killed by a man]], thus getting offed by Éowyn), not realizing that a great many of those elements [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny|became clichéd due to the influence]] of the original novels on later works.
** Incidentally, the example of Witch-king is itself inspired by [[Shakespeare]]'s ''Macbeth'', in which a prophecy states that [[Birnam Wood to Dunsinane|no man born of woman]] would ever kill Macbeth -- as it turns out, the guy who kills him was delivered via Caesarean, and thus technically not "born" of woman. Tolkien felt that Shakespeare had missed an opportunity, and so had a woman (and a non-human male) fulfill his version of the prophecy.
** Another instance of Tolkien writing something as a specific modification of Shakespeare (and, specifically, Macbeth) is the Ents. Tolkien got all excited while watching the play after the witches predict that ''Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be/until Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill/Shall come against him.'' When the great twist turned out to be "men with leaves in their hats", he angrily returned home and decided that ''he'' would write a story about walking trees, ''thank you very much''.