One for Sorrow, Two For Joy: Difference between revisions

→‎Music: added example
m (Looney Toons moved page One for Sorrow Two For Joy to One for Sorrow, Two For Joy: Adding proper punctuation to page name)
(→‎Music: added example)
 
(14 intermediate revisions by 5 users not shown)
Line 1:
{{trope}}
[[File:Magpie.jpg|frame]]
{{quote|''One for sorrow, two for joy,''<br />
''Three for a girl, four for a boy,''<br />
''Five for silver, six for gold,''<br />
''Seven for a secret that must never be told.''|'''[[Mother Goose]]'''}}
|'''[[Mother Goose]]'''}}
 
{{quote|''Other birds collect twigs for their nests. Magpies collect jewels for theirs.''|Flavor Text for the ''[[Magic: theThe Gathering]]'' card [http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid{{=}}129764 Thieving Magpie]}}
 
Magpies. Black and white birds that feature in a lot of stories. There are also a number of superstitions surrounding magpies (especially in the British Isles) related to warding off the bad luck of a lone magpie. Some superstitions are quick and only require a simple salute while others a bit more eccentric involving pinching, spitting or saying certain phrases.
Line 14 ⟶ 15:
Magpies are members of the corvid family and relatives of [[Ravens and Crows]], both in [[Real Life]] and as tropes. (The rhyme (in all its manifold variations) is also used for crows, on occasion.)
 
One popular [[AllAny IsTorment WellYou ThatCan EndsWalk WellAway From]] [[Happy Ending]] is for accusations of theft to be cleared up by the revelation that a magpie stole the item in question.
 
{{examples|Examples}}
== [[FanficAdvertising]] ==
* The Windex cleaning spray commercials prominently feature magpies.
 
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* Invoked in ''[[Sandman]]''
{{quote| '''Delirium''', in ''The Wake'': One for sorrow, two for sorrow, three for sorrow, four for for for I don't know. But I'm bored of sorrow, five for three two one, six for gold, seven for a magpie who tells me where to go...''}}
** In the earlier story "Parliment of Rooks", Eve sings the rhyme while holding the infant Daniel. Abel finishes with the last line, then adds, "It's true, you know."
* In ''[[Tintin (Comic Book)/Recap/The Castafiore Emerald|The Castafiore Emerald]]'', [[Tintin]] has a [[Eureka Moment]] when he hears that Castafiore, still missing her emerald, will be performing in ''La Gazza Ladra'' (the Rossini opera mentioned below). Sure enough, he finds the emerald in a magpie's nest.
* A minor [[Batman]] villain was named Magpie for her kleptomania and the [[Steven Ulysses Perhero|unfortunate birth name]] Margaret Pye.
* In ''[[The Crow]]'', the rhyme is referenced (with blackbirds in the place of magpies) by Eric as he prepares to kill a bar full of thugs, and capped with a classic line.
{{quote| '''Eric Draven''': Seven blackbirds in a tree, count them and see what they be. One for sorrow, two for joy, three for a girl and four for a boy. Five for silver, six for gold, seven for a secret that's never been told. You're all going to die.}}
** Ashe Corven of the movie ''[[The Crow]]: City of Angels'' references this rhyme as well as he's trashing the bad guys of a strip booth establishment where his second target is, using crows in place of magpies.
 
== Commercials[[Fan Works]] ==
* The Windex cleaning spray commercials prominently feature magpies.
 
== [[Fanfic]] ==
* The rhyme is used in the ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' fanfic ''[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2941935/1/A_Sorrow_of_Magpies A Sorrow of Magpies]'' in a [[What Do You Mean Its Not Symbolic]] kind of way.
** More specifically, the rhyme is as follows:
{{quote| '''[[Death Dealer|Luxord:]]''' [using [[The Gambler|two dice]], but mentions magpies] "Two is for fresh luck, while three starts the play. Four means start running, five means you stay. Six earns you silver, seven earns gold. Eight for new allies, nine for the old. Ten wins good fortune, eleven risks all -- but twelve wins the match and there, stops the ball." (and when asked about one) "One is for sorrow, because it's always alone."}}
** [[Fridge Brilliance|It's impossible to roll a one on a pair of dice; hence, sorrow.]]
* In the ''[[Troll Cops (Fanfic)|Troll Cops]]'' [[Homestuck]] AU, there is a pair of stories called "One For Sorrow", which has:
{{quote| ''One is for Sorrow.<br />
''Two is for Mirth.<br />
''Three is for a Funeral.<br />
''Four is for a Birth.<br />
''Five is for Heaven.<br />
''Six is for Hell.<br />
''Seven's for the Devil himself.'' }}
 
== [[Film]] ==
* Magpies show up at several key points in [[Snow White and Thethe Huntsman]]
 
== [[Literature]] ==
* Several versions of the rhyme occur in [[Terry Pratchett]]'s ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Carpe Jugulum|Carpe Jugulum]]''. It's explained that none of them work very well, because nobody knows the version the magpies use. Also, the "modern" vampires of that book shape-shift into magpies rather than bats, which is a pun on their family name (de Magpyr).
** One of the peripheral Discworld books (I think it might have been an art collection){{verify}} also has Pterry bemoan the fact that Britain used to have hundreds of regional variations on this rhyme, but nowadays if you ask anyone they'll all give you the version from ''Magpie''.
*** He bemoans this state of affairs in "The Folklore of Discworld," but happily he got to know the book's co-writer, Jacqueline Simpson, because she answered "which one?" to the question "do you know the magpie song.?"
* There's a book called ''One For Sorrow, Two For Joy'', by Clive Woodall, about more-or-less-anthropomorphic birds. It's a little like ''[[Watership Down]]'', but with birds. The villains are magpies.
* Tom McCaughren's ''Run with the Wind'' series about a group of Irish foxes has a flock of magpies as minor villains.
Line 60 ⟶ 61:
* Spike in the nonfiction work ''Corvus: A Life With Birds'', whom the writer portrays as a bit of a small, feathered [[Chaotic Neutral]] [[Loveable Rogue]].
* ''Star In The Storm'' by Joan Hiatt Harlow uses "One for sadness, two for mirth; three for marriage, four for birth; five for laughing, six for crying; seven for sickness, eight for dying; nine for silver, ten for gold; eleven for a secret that will never be told."
* In [[Michael Flynn]]'s ''[[Spiral Arm (Literature)|In the Lion's Mouth]]'', Shadows' subordinates, in black and white, are called magpies. When one is always in Donovan's line-of-sight, he feels uneasy, knowing the old Terran belief that a single magpie is bad luck.
* In [[JRRJ. R. R. Tolkien]]'s ''Unfinished Tales'', one of the tales after ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' includes going through Saruman's tower and discovering he had become not a dragon but a magpie with what he hoarded. They still find a treasure there.
 
== [[Live -Action TV]] ==
* ''Magpie'' was the name of a kids' TV show on [[ITV]] in the 1970s (which was pretty much a ''[[Blue Peter]]'' lookalike). The theme tune used a version of the rhyme as its lyrics, and the show's mascot was a cartoon magpie named Murgatroyd, who looked too fat to fly.
* In the ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]'' episode "Boom Town", the Slitheen Margaret Blaine described the Doctor as having a "magpie mind", i.e. one that's always collecting bits of information.
* Richard Hammond on ''[[Top Gear]]'' once went on about how dangerous Magpies are while driving, because of all the gestures you have to preform. Seems Hammond got a bit confused, and rather than picking one of the many variations to ward off bad luck, chose them all.
 
== [[Music and Sound Effects]] ==
* The rhyme itself appears in the song "A Murder of One" by [[Counting Crows]]. As corvids, magpies are part of a family of birds known as crows. The rhyme is also the origin of the band's name.
* Seanan McGuire's [[Filk Song]] [http://seananmcguire.com/songbook.php?id=143 "Counting Crows"] opens with a version of the rhyme, and continues on the theme. Chorus:
{{quote| In mercy's shadow, nothing grows./And she's running hard now, counting crows.}}
* Similarly, Vixy and Tony's [[Filk Song]] [http://vixyandtony.com/lyrics_thirteen.html Thirteen] asks what happens when there are more than seven:
{{quote| Count my brothers and count my sisters, we'll tell your fortune and we'll tell you true/But the path's all covered in claws and feathers, Magpie, there's too many of you...}}
* A magpie appears in the artwork to some early albums by [[Marillion]], and is referred to in the lyrics of ''Misplaced Childhood''. One of the band's live albums is titled ''La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie)'' after the Rossini opera (see below).
* [[Patrick Wolf]] has a song that quotes the aforementioned rhyme as the last stanza. Unsurprisingly the song itself is named [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mLhqJMy_WA Magpie]
* "Two Magpies" off of [[Paul McCartney|Paul McCartney's]]'s album ''Electric Arguments'' features lines from the rhyme. Unsurprisingly, it's [[Ear Worm|extremely catchy]].
* The rhyme makes an appearance in the song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKXBvK34rgg "Ravens in the Library"] by [[S.J. Tucker]] where it's song softly in counterpart to one of the early verses:
 
{{quote|''One for fiction, two for truth (One for sorrow)
== [[Opera]] and [[Theater]] ==
''Three for bikes and bathing suits (Two for joy)
* In Rossini's ''Thieving Magpie'', the charges of theft against a servant girl are resolved when they discover a magpie stole it.
''Four for sci-fi/fantasy (Three for girls and four for boys)
''Five loves art and ancient skulls (Five for silver)
''Six eats periodicals (Six for gold)
''Seven lives in poetry (Seven for a secret never told)}}
 
== [[Oral Tradition]] ==
* The famous rhyme, with many variations. (Sometimes quoted for [[Ravens and Crows]] -- but chiefly magpies.)
** '-eight's a wish, and nine a kiss; ten is a bird you must not miss.'
** ... eight for heaven, nine for hell, And ten for the devil's own sel'.
** "One for sorrow, two for mirth / three for a wedding, four for a birth"
Line 90 ⟶ 95:
 
== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* ''[[Magic: theThe Gathering]]'' has a "Thieving Magpie" card; whenever it deals damage to an opponent, you get to draw a card (representing something that the magpie picked up).
* The "Freedom City" setting for ''[[Mutants and Masterminds]]'' has a [[Gentleman Thief]] named Magpie who can [[Transporters and Teleporters|teleport]], but ''never'' would he teleport ''into'' a building-- hebuilding—he [[Self -Imposed Challenge|savors the challenge of breaking in the hard way]]. His power is used ''only'' for last-second escapes, and even then only if he can't vanish any other way.
* Both normal and giant magpies were described in the ''Creature Catalog'', a monster book for Basic/Expert/etc D&D. Their stats made them weak in combat, but excellent filchers of unattended shiny objects; in effect, they were a potential hook for the DM to lure parties into other encounters, by having a magic item snatched up by this trope's embodiment and forcing them to pursue it.
 
== [[Opera]] and [[Theater]] ==
* In Rossini's ''Thieving Magpie'', the charges of theft against a servant girl are resolved when they discover a magpie stole it.
 
== [[Web Comics]] ==
* In ''[[No Rest for The Wicked (Webcomicwebcomic)|No Rest for The Wicked]]'', [http://www.forthewicked.net/archive/05-05.html November was teased for using the verse for ravens, instead of magpies.]
* In ''[[Tales of the Questor]]'', [https://web.archive.org/web/20130227023240/http://www.rhjunior.com/totq/00543.html they observe that going through the princeling's treasure found a lot of cheap bits, because he was like a magpie.]
 
== [[Western Animation]] ==
Line 102 ⟶ 110:
 
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Trope{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:Avian Tropes]]
[[Category:Fate and Prophecy Tropes]]
[[Category:One For Sorrow Two For Joy]]
[[Category:Trope]]