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'''Periphery Hatedom''' is when a character or show receives undue scorn and hatred from groups ''that it was never meant to appeal to in the first place''. It inspires an anti-[[Periphery Demographic]], who respond to them in such a way that you'd think they had committed [[Moral Event Horizon|some unspeakable crime]]. Expect a complete lack of [[Parental Bonus]], a [[Fleeting Demographic]], and a ton of Facebook pages decrying its "crimes". Consider the contradictions in the phrase "hated teen idol".

This trope overlaps with [[Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch]], since quite a bit of these Periphery Hatedom have probably never actually legitimately sat down and watched it, or spent enough time as they would something made for their medium. Ask how many of these people who hate one of these if they had ever seen an actual episode of it (Especially if it's a TV series). Not flash parodies on sites like ''[[Newgrounds]]'', not [[YoutubeYouTube Poop]] videos making the characters say sexual innuendos, not shows like ''[[Robot Chicken]]'' spoofing it, not other web-based spoofs such as comics, ''actual'' unparodied episodes. You'd be surprised how many people say they legitimately tried to give it a chance without an excuse for having done it. ("I only watched it because my children watch it on TV all the time!", for example.)

Many [[Music]] examples overlap with [[Dead Horse Music Genre]]. Can lead to [[Deader Than Disco]] when a work's target demographic stops liking it and joins in on the bashing. See also [[Americans Hate Tingle]] for regional examples. Can be caused by [[What Do You Mean It's for Kids?]]. [[Moral Guardians]] are a specific type of [['''Periphery Hatedom]]''', who sometimes subvert the trope by directing their complaints at how they think the work will affect its ''intended'' audience. However, they often play it straight by [[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?|getting the target audience wrong]], typically by assuming that everything of [[Animation Age Ghetto|a particular genre]] must be kid-appropriate.

* Gru in ''[[Despicable Me (Film)|Despicable Me]]'' parodies this trope when one of the orphans he adopts asks him to read a cute children's story called "Three Sleepy Kittens". He calls the book insipid - when it is ''literally'' aimed at 5-year olds, and he's being asked to read it ''by'' a 5-year old.

* ''Humphrey the Hippo'' in ''[[The Critic (Animationanimation)|The Critic]]''.

* ''Mary Moo Cow'', the Barney [[Captain Ersatz]] of the ''[[Arthur]]'' universe is this to the titular character of the show- the theme song itself is known to aggravate Arthur. The ''Tina the Talking Tabby'' commercial in ''Arthur's Perfect Christmas'' and ''Vidiboobies'' (one of the many [[Captain Ersatz|Captain Ersatzs]]s of Teletubbies in the show's universe) has the same net effect on Arthur.

** Both played straight and subverted with the "Love Ducks" (a ''[[Teletubbies]]'' parody). Arthur becomes a fan of the show despite his friends mocking him and saying that it's "a baby show". That is...until they start watching it as well and begin enjoying it for it'sits surreal content.

*** The [[Hopla (Animation)|Hopla]] [[Captain Ersatz]] "Pumpkins In Pants" has this effect on the Tibble twins, who are avid fans of "Mary Moo Cow"

* Baloney from ''[[Animaniacs (Animation)|Animaniacs]],'' a parody of ''[[Barney and Friends (TV)|Barney and Friends]]''.

* [[The Cinema Snob (Web Video)|The Cinema Snob]] is this towards [[Exploitation Film|exploitation films]], [[Parallel Porn Titles|porn parodies]], and anything else that isn't [[True Art]].

* [[Merchandise-Driven]] kids' series, such as ''[[Pokémon (Animeanime)|Pokémon]]'', ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' (mostly the dub version), ''[[Beyblade]]'' and ''[[Bakugan]]''. The ''[[Pokémon (Animeanime)|Pokémon]]'' anime suffers from this to an extent, mostly due to the fact that [[Long Runner|it's been going on for years and years]] [[Strictly Formula|without being very imaginative]] while catering almost exclusively to children. ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' also has a [[Periphery Hatedom]] for similar reasons, mostly due to [[4Kids! Entertainment]]'s dub of the show making it appear to be a simplistic [[Merchandise-Driven]] kids' cartoon similar to ''Pokémon'' itself. Both series have large numbers of genuine fans, however; other, similar series such as ''[[Beyblade]]'' aren't very well-liked at all by teens and adults.

* ''[[Rock LeesLee's Springtime of Youth]]'', for just for the fact that it's replacingreplaced ''[[Bleach]]''{{'}}s timeslot. It doesn't help that the ''[[Bleach]]'' anime was cancelled, and ends at the conclusion of the Lost Agent arc. For those who don't know, the arc that comes after this is The Thousand Year Blood War arc, ''Bleach''{{'}}s '''Final Arc!'''

== [[Film]] ==

* Expensive kids' films are prone to acquiring periphery hatedoms if they aren't sufficiently full of [[True Art Is Angsty|drama]], [[Nightmare Fuel]], or ironic humor. If you make a happy, noisy affair like ''[[Annie (Theatre)|Annie]]'', ''[[Santa Claus: the Movie (Film)|Santa Claus theThe Movie]]'', ''[[How the Grinch Stole Christmas (Filmfilm)|How the Grinch Stole Christmas]]'' (2000), ''[[Mr. Magoriums Wonder Emporium (Film)|Mr. MagoriumsMagorium's Wonder Emporium]]'', or ''[[Speed Racer (Filmfilm)|Speed Racer]]'', you ''will'' be roasted by critics whose tolerance for whimsy is not particularly high. Box-office failure often results because the demographic is thus too narrow for the budget, though ''Grinch'' was the biggest hit of its year in the U.S.

** Also, in the specific case of ''[[Speed Racer (Filmfilm)|Speed Racer]]'', a large portion of the original fanbase is now older and were likely expecting something A''a BITbit'' [[Darker and Edgier]] for them (like the ''[[Transformers (Filmfilm)|Transformers]]'' movie).

** Our newest champion --— the ''[[Alvin and the Chipmunks (Film)|Alvinandthe Chipmunks]]'' movies, hugely popular with kids and no one else. As a bonus, the "squeakquel" handily outpacing the [[Disney Animated Canon]] effort ''[[The Princess and The Frog (Disney)|The Princess and Thethe Frog]]'' (intended to [[Win Back the Crowd]] for hand-drawn animation) at the box office has earned it a great deal of wrath from Disney fans who mourn for the tastes of children.

*** Happening all over again for the third movie and its own Disney competition, ''[[The Muppets (Filmfilm)|The Muppets]]''.

* [[Tyler Perry]]'s movies have created a series of minor racism controversies based on the fact that they tend to be critically-drubbed by the vast majority of critics (most of whom are white), yet are extraordinarily popular in the black community, which has turned these movies into #1 hits. [[Roger Ebert]] seemed to be a particular target.<br /><br />On top of that, Perry also experiences this among black viewers. Perry got his start staging plays on what's sometimes called the "Chitlin' Circuit", a [[Vaudeville]]-esque black theater circuit which primarily caters to older, more conservative, and more religious audiences. African American subcultures experience as much [[Values Dissonance]] with each other as they do with anyone else; someone who identifies with Reggie Watts or [[The Boondocks|Aaron McGruder]] could find Perry quite tasteless, and vise-versa. Perry even threatened to pull some of his content from TBS after one episode of ''[[The Boondocks]]'' made harsh fun of the [[Unfortunate Implications]] and [[Strictly Formula]] tendencies of Perry's movies. Either way, Perry [[Pandering to The Base|caters to a very specific demographic]] with which many African Americans do not identify.

* ''Minya'' (the "Son of [[Godzilla]]") was created specifically in 1967 in order to appeal to younger audiences (at the time, there were more kids that were going to see Godzilla movies than adults). Of course, Minya is now considered to be [[The Scrappy|the single most-hated character]] in the Godzilla franchise, with the possible exception of Jet Jaguar.

* ''[[Titanic (Film)|Titanic]]'' - when that romantic film aimed at women came out, males (outside the target demographic) went through [[Hype Backlash]]. This continued until ''[[Avatar (Filmfilm)|Avatar]]'' broke ''Titanic'''s record as the highest-grossing film of all time - and became the new target for backlash.<ref>Not a [[Periphery Hatedom]] this time; ''Avatar'' appealed to both men and women.</ref>

** The music video for ''"[["Weird Al" Yankovic|]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh4zvQfDhi0 "Jurassic Park]]"''] featured a scene with Barney getting his head bitten off by an even larger dinosaur. It later gets coughed back up.

*** And theTony Mason's song ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xba9M6S7IP0 "Barney's on fireFire"''] is all about this, to the point that even the audience delight in the gristly spectacle and actively refuse to help, even though they're aware there's a perfectly normal actor in that suit ''who is dying horribly''. [[Comedic Sociopathy]] taken to a horrifying level.

** In ''[[Dilbert]]'', the [[Pointy-Haired Boss]] is a ''Barney'' fan, the joke being that he's a grown man who enjoys a show which 6-year olds consider babyish because [[Who Would Be Stupid Enough...?|he's ''just that stupid'']].

* ''[[HeresHere's Humphrey]]'': Humphrey B. Bear can be viewed as the [[Land Down Under|Australian]] Barney, due to the way he is hated by many pre-teens in his homeland for his goofy antics. And oh, for having [[Viewers are Morons|a human co-host that talks down to the viewers]]. However, Humphrey invokes the [[Nostalgia Filter]] sooner- Most Australians tend to remember him more favorably by the time they reach their late teens. Barney [[Hatedom]] usually doesn't fade and get replaced by [[Nostalgia Filter]] until the former viewer-cum-hater has started a family, which by then he/she will be in the late 20s or early-30s (and sometimes, it doesn't even leave, due to the show's simplicity). The fact that Humphrey's co-host is usually a hot chick (albeit one that talks down to kids) and the fact that the show has not raked up any controversy probably helps.

** In the ''Teletubbies'' case, while it has the usual [[Periphery Hatedom]], some concerned parents made waves when it was thought that the nonsense speech of the main characters might be hurting the verbal development of its target audience at a time when their babbling starts to cohere into words and basic sentences.

* The current2000s-2010s vintage crop of [[Disney Channel]] live-action original programming in general, most famously ''[[High School Musical]]'' and ''[[Hannah Montana]]''.

* ''[[The Lawrence Welk Show]]'', in the 1970's1970s and since. It was enormously popular when it was new, in the 50's50s, but by the time it had lasted 20twenty years, the number of people in the [[Periphery Demographic|periphery demographics]] far outnumbered the people for whom it was originally intended.

** Even in [[The Fifties]], comedians like [[Sid Caesar]] and [[Allan Sherman]] mocked it as a [[Tastes Like Diabetes]] [[Reactionary Fantasy]]. The show [[Can't Get Away Withwith Nuthin'|fervently denied anything remotely dark or risqué]][[hottip:*:,<ref>making even more [[Hilarious in Hindsight]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg this!],</ref> even if it fit with the standards of the time. The over-done art direction and [[Stepford Smiler|eerily persistent grins]] even seemed [[Uncanny Valley|eerily inhuman]] to some people. It also featured many regional acts tailored to please Vaudeville and State Fair audiences. Broad, diverse TV audiences probably felt some stylistic [[Values Dissonance]].

* Elmo of ''[[Sesame Street]]'' has become less than popular to a large number of the show's longtime fans, mainly because the show's focus has somehow shifted onto him and less on the other muppetsMuppets and characters. Unfortunately, the shift caused various groups of [[Fan Dumb]] to hate the show as a whole instead of just Elmo. Further made worse by Sesame Workshop deciding to assign a whole half hour of Sesame Street to the segment, ''Elmo's World'', and giving the segment the very signature of ''Barney & Friends'' and other [[Periphery Hatedom]] programs: A theme tune that rips off the tune of a public-domain song ("Jingle Bells") and is primarily about Elmo. Much of the intended demographic loved it, however.

* ''[[Sex and Thethe City]]'': Many men, and women outside the target demographic, seesaw the characters as shallow and overly consumerist and far too prone to inane chatter, or as horrifyingly whiny, self obsessed, and irresponsible. Their [[Distaff Counterpart|Spear Counterpart]], ''[[Entourage]]'', gets many similar complaints, still mostly from those outside the target demographic.

* ''[[Left Behind]]'' has a ''huge'' Periphery Hatedom; pretty much anybody who doesn't subscribe to the authors' precise apocalyptic vision is a potential member. Ironically [http://exharpazo.blogspot.com/2007/01/index-to-slactivists-left-behind.html the most in-depth (by far) critique] of the series is being produced by a (progressive) evangelical Christian. Especially strange when you consider its probably the easiest work of fiction to avoid out of anything on this page. The movie of the first book barely showed up at the box office and its not marketed much outside of it'sits target venues.

** Much like some of the ''Twilight'' hatred abovebelow, the criticism is sometimes about what the stories are indicative of, and what influence they have on the readers in the intended demographic. Also, how easy it is to avoid depends on where you live, such as if you're in an area where typical ''Left Behind'' readers are the majority (though even then, it's hardly on the level of ''Twilight'').

* The ''[[Twilight (Literaturenovel)|Twilight]]'' series attracts both legions of fans ([[Edit War|even in this very wiki]]), and even larger legions of the [[Hatedom]] who have [[Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch|never read the books or seen the movies]] (but [[Subverted Trope|many who have]]). The hatred tends to be split between the direct hatred for the [[Your Vampires Suck|sparkly vampires]]/[[Mary Sue|Bella Sue]]/ [[Purple Prose]] sex scenes/what have you, and the [[Hype Aversion]] from all the Edward-or-Jacob [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]] that saturated the world.

* [[Justin Bieber (Music)|Justin Bieber]], another former [[Teen Idol]]. The current huge media coverage he received (including being the focal point of a Funnyordie.com's [[April Fools' Day]] prank) hasndidn't helpedhelp. The hatred of Justin Bieber iswas so widespread at thisone pointtime that about half of all [[YouTube]] videos, even those unrelated to Bieber, will have someone complaining about him in the comments. Not even Bieber getting away from his teen image into something edgier has ameliorated the hate; if something, he has also attracted the ire of people that has never listened to him and only know of his [[Contractual Purity]] breaches.

* Circa 2010, [[Taylor Swift (Music)|Taylor Swift]] hashad haters that thinkthought she iswas a soulless sellout. Then there are the people who thinkthought she's was anti-feminist for singing stereotypical love songs and spending most of her time mooning over boys. She also getsgot bashed for being a [[Purity Sue]] (which is especially ridiculous when you consider songs like "[[Break-Up Bonfire|Picture To Burn]]", "[[Best Served Cold|Better Than Revenge]]" and "[[Intercourse Withwith You|Sparks Fly]]"). She, too, transformed her image through the 2010s to something more adult and flexible than her initial presentation.

* A lot of non-rock performers, especially in the 1970s, became vilified by rock critics and fans when their songs became hits on pop radio. [[John Denver]] and [[Barry Manilow]] are two examples of this.

* Backlash against Disco during its heyday in the 70's70s was so great that there is [[Deader Than Disco|a trope]] named after this backlash. [[wikipedia:Disco Demolition Night|Disco Demolition Night]] iswas a famous example of contemporary hatred toward the genre.

* [[Pat Boone]] as a 1950s-60s pop idol, since his career was built largely on making the more incendiary forms of popular music such as R&B [[The Moral Substitute|"safe"]] for white listeners; and borrowing (stealing?) from black musicians white audiences wouldn't listen to. His later position as a Christian conservative commentator did nothing to help this. And then his later forays into Metal just confused ''everyone''.

** ''[[Office Space]]'' can't have helped. {{spoiler|"Die, motherfucker, die, motherfucker, die!" Granted, that was the printer, but Michael has similar feelings about the musician.}}

** And Ryan Stiles from ''[[Whose Line Is It Anyway?]]'' continued to relentlessly make Michael Bolton jokes even after his popularity had waned.

* [[Lady Gaga]] getsgot this, for many reasons by many different demographics, but, specifically, by non-[[Camp]] male fans because of her [[Camp|over-the-top]] refusal to be "conventional". Despite frequent [[Pandering to Thethe Base]], people wonder why she's not so widely celebrated [[Fag Hag|outside her obvious target demographic]]. Of course, given the calculated way she behaves and dresses "non-conventionally", it's almost like she's was trying for this sort of reaction. Again, as the 2010s progressed her image gradually changed to something a bit less extreme.

* [[Rap]] music in general tends to inspire a generational divide between the MTV/BET-watching youth of its fans and their out-of-touch adult parents who take offense to its violent, misogynist themes, can't understand a word of the Ebonics-laden lyrics and at worst [[Hate Dumb|are unsure if Rap is even music]]. Rap is even the preferred punching bag of older Black leaders who accuse/scapegoat it for [[Stop Being Stereotypical|promoting stereotypes]] and instilling in its listeners distorted messages about Black culture. It also has a MASSIVE''massive'' hatedom amongst fans of classic rock, mainly because it's effectively replaced most genres of rock aside from alt-rock among the masses these days.

** Reaggaeton, being a derivative from rap and dance hall, also has got in Latin America a hatedom similar to the one towards rap, on the same demographics and for similar reasons. Although they also get fire from the elevateelevated sexual content of several songs, which adds a lot of [[Moral Guardians]] of the [[Think of the Children|Please, Think Ofof Thethe Children!]] type to the hatedom.

* Nowadays,{{when}} [[Crunkcore]] has the most storied Periphery Hatedom of any genre.

* ''[[Kidz Bop]]'', a series of covers of popular songs sung by little kids with more kid-appropriate lyrics. It is aimed at little kids, and almost universally despised by everyone else.

* [[Friday (Musicsong)|Rebecca Black]] iswas, in some ways, the [[Justin Bieber (Music)|Justin Bieber]] of 2011. [[Subverted Trope|Subverted]], as she still receives a more [[Memetic Mutation|memetic]] kind of respect (and eventually grew up as a more legitimate type of performer), while the hate for her music is channeled [[Let's See You Do Better|into positive ways]], such as remixes and covers.

* As white-hot as [[The Beatles]] were in the sixtiesSixties, they weren't without their share of hatred. Some of it came from their target demographic, such as fans of other British Invasion groups such as Herman's Hermits and the Dave Clark Five or American groups like Frankie Valli And The Four Seasons. But much of it was from older adults who found their music to be more flash-in-the-pan disposable pop, and particularly, [[Moral Guardians]] (lampshaded in [[Allan Sherman]]'s novelty tune "Pop Hates The Beatles"). Hatred from the latter would reach a fever pitch after John Lennon was quoted saying the Beatles were "more popular than Christ", prompting fundamentalist Christians to burn all Beatle memorabilia (Lennon would heavy-heartedly clarify, "I'm not saying we're ''better'' than Christ or ''greater'' than Christ. I'm just saying we're more popular.") But by the time the band had reached ''Revolver'' and ''Sgt. Pepper'', though, showing that they were more than just "yeah yeah yeah", even the haters had to sit up and took notice, and they began to be seen as the musical pioneers they're known as today.

* [[Celine Dion]] got a fair bit of this, principally in the wake of ''[[Titanic]]''<small>{{'</small>}}s epicness, but as her profile has diminished in the ensuing years so has the hate.

* In several countries, folkloric music, either from the own or from their neighboring countries, by people who are more into "mainstream" music (read: rock and pop). For example, at one time in Venezuela there is the trifecta hate from people of the capital and neighboring cities towards joropo (because of being perceived as backwards music from country simpletons, and for having been used as a filler during a period of obligatory 1:1 ratio of imported/local music), [[Gaita Zuliana|Zulian gaita]] (because of saturation of the airwaves on Christmas time and extreme regional thematic) and vallenato (because of its association with Colombian immigration, often stereotyped as criminals and wild bus drivers).

* [[Soulja Boy]] managed to get this from ''three'' demographics-- — Veteran rappers (most notably [[Ice T]]) who felt his simple "how to do a dance" raps were ruining the genre, anime fans who were horrified by his [[I Am Not Shazam|terribly]] [[Cowboy Bebop AtMedia HisResearch ComputerFailure|ill-informed]] attempt to make a song about how he was [[One of Us|an anime fan himself]], and ironically, actual soldiers. Why the last? A song called "Let's Be Real," wherein he brags about how he got rich with his DIY approach to music and says "Fuck all the army troops."

== [[Professional Wrestling]] ==

* Old school WWE fans (and many Attitude era fans) seem to particularly loathe the character of Hornswoggle, whose matches border on slapstick comedy and seemwho seems to exist for the sole reason of attracting the attention of small children.

* Cardio kickboxing is one of the biggest crazes{{when}} among fitness aficionados and shows no sign of dying down{{verify}}, but it continues to get a lot of hate from formal practitioners of martial arts for diluting the practice. While many pioneers of the craze, such as Billy Blanks and Chalene Johnson, ''are'' in fact, legitimate martial artists, the fact that now people can become instructors with no formal background means they risk teaching bad form to students that not only distracts them from effective fighting techniques should they ever need to defend themselves, but actually runs the risk of students ''hurting'' themselves doing the moves as exercise.

== Theatre[[Toys]] ==

** The ''Cabbage Patch Kids'' dolls were also pitched as a Christmas must-have and particularly reviled by people who were sick of seeing them everywhere. Film director Don Mancini was one of these people. His response? [[ChildsChild's Play (Filmfilm)|Chucky.]]

* Remember ''Tickle-Me-Elmo''? People donated to be the driver of a bulldozer that ran one over, and sold thousands of tickets were sold to a front row seats of said event.

** ''[[Mad TV]]'' did a parody with "[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7IxliAPjAk Tickle Me Emo]".

** [[Jhonen Vasquez]] has a ''Meanwhile'' comic about "Tickle Me Hellmo", which has 20twenty levels of response. They include shooting fire ants, calling Satan to stare at the child at night, and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|reciting goth poetry]].

* Name any kind of [[Pink Girl, Blue Boy|gender-specified toy]]. [[A Real Man Is a Killer|Boys were supposed to play with stuff like Tinker Toys, soldiers, sports toys, and toy weapons]]. [[Stay in Thethe Kitchen|Girls were supposed to play with dolls, playhouses, kitchen utensils, and pretend-telephones]]. Watch as the girls think the boys' stuff is stupid while the boys think the girls' stuff is stupid without any reason.

* [[Barbie]] deserves special mention. Just about everyone loves to write all sorts of long essays about how she's "a freak of nature" and a "walking stereotype of what a woman is supposed to be" ([[Fair for Its Day|somehow ignoring Barbie appearing in countless white collar or even blue-collar jobs]]), and people often refuse to buy their daughters or relatives Barbie dolls for fear that a doll will somehow instill a negative body image in them. (Like the doll itself is the sole cause in the first place, as lampshaded in ''[[Baby Blues (Comic Strip)|Baby Blues]]'') Ask around the internet and you'll probably find a lot of people, even girls (especially girls), who decapitated and mutilated Barbie dolls when they were little.

** The ''[[Bratz]]'' doll line received even more complaints. Like Barbie, a lot of them were from people concerned about its target demographic of little girls, and even more so given the Bratz dolls' revealing clothes and thickthickly makemade-uppedup expressions. However, there were, once again, a lot of boys (and older or tomboyish girls) who just liked making fun of things little girls liked.

* The Nintendo [[Wii]] is a bit of an [[Inverted Trope|inversion]]. Once Nintendo finally did what they had promised to do and expanded console video games outside the 18-24 Affluent Male market, [[Ruined FOREVER|said market declared them the anti-Christ.]] Even Nintendo's continued development of "traditional" games<ref> which continue to far outnumber their "expanded market" titles</ref> hasn't silenced the hatedom one bit... Of course, the rest of the market seems not to have noticed... much to the chagrin of the 18-24 Affluent onedemographic.

* Axl from the ''[[Mega Man X (Video Game)|Mega Man X]]'' series is a bit of an odd case. While he's pretty much universally despised by the series' main fanbase, the small but dedicated [[Periphery Demographic]] of young women just can't seem to resist his boyish charm.

* "Hardcore gamers" seem determined to hate casual and/or social games. ''[[Game Informer]]'' magazine has called titles like ''[[FarmvilleFarmVille]]'' unexciting compared to big budget games and accused them of being marketing tools.

** Given that the creator of ''Farmville'' has openly said the game is nothing more than a [[Brainwashed and Crazy|Skinner box]], the accusation that it's a marketing tool is just about dead-on.

* Pretty much any RPG, except ''[[Dragon Quest (Video Game)|Dragon Quest]]''. The "only nerds play them" consensus has led them to be an example of [[NotFan Allowed to Like ItHater]]. One of the prime victims is ''[[World of Warcraft (Video Game)|World of Warcraft]]''.

** [[WRPG|WRPGs]]s tend to get alota lot of hatred as well, especially [[Action RPG]] games, which critics tend to complain that "the action ruins the RPG elements". Not to mention, in an ironic inversion to the above, this genre also has a hatedom for having real-time combat and being too gritty.

* ''[[Final Fantasy Mystic Quest (Video Game)|Final Fantasy Mystic Quest]]'' tends to attract hatred from people who believe the urban legend that it was why the USA didn't get ''[[Final Fantasy V (Video Game)|Final Fantasy V]]'' until the Playstation years, as well as the fact that it was actually made specifically to [[Gateway Series|introduce people into]] [[RPG|RPGs]]s.

* Any of the big console shooter franchises draw plenty of flak from players who dislike [[First-Person Shooter|FPSes]], PC gamers, and fans of older styles of shooters. The ''[[Call of Duty (Video Game)|Call of Duty]]'' and ''[[Halo (Video Gameseries)|Halo]]'' series may be the most common victims, but they are not alone. First-person shooters are also frequent scapegoats of people who hold the assumption that their fandom of "cerebral" games such as ''[[Silent Hill]]'' somehow makes them more intelligent than the primates who play ''Call of Duty'', et. al.

** TeThe major pet peeve was that on the side of the FPS crowd, they hated it for how it monopolized shooters into a single uniform genre with very little deviation (Iron Sights/RegneratingRegenerating Health and [[Cutscene Incompetence]]). For the others, they see the shooters as completely strangulating what creativity left in the industry as game devs are crushed by Publishers for not living up to their flagship franchise standards.

* Sonic The Werehog from ''[[Sonic Unleashed (Video Game)|Sonic Unleashed]]''. Kids love him, most fans who left ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (Franchise)|Sonic]]''{{'}}s intended demographic hate him.

* EA tried to exploit this with their "Your Mom hates ''[[Dead Space (Videovideo Gamegame)|Dead Space]] 2]]''" marketing campaign. It didn't exactly work: the ''intended'' market responded "Thanks for casting us all as immature jerks, it's not like games don't have trouble with that perception already", and it seemed to completely miss gaming's shift in demographics, as explained below.

* Video games in general fell into this category when they became popular during the 80's80s and 90's90s. In many cases, there was a notable divide between the children who enjoyed playing them and parents who felt they distracted them from doing more constructive things. Now that many of today's parents grew up with them, however, this is a dying trope.

* Any long running, successful. niche-audience webcomicweb comic, such as ''[[PvP (Webcomicwebcomic)|Pv PPvP]]'', ''[[Penny Arcade]]'', or ''[[Megatokyo]]''.

* [[Furry Comic|Furry webcomics]] get a ton of flak from non-furries. Note that this does not apply to the hatedom of comics such as ''[[VG Cats]]'' which are intended to read by non-furries as well.

== [[Western Animation]] ==

** Market research done in the early 2000s found that among grade school children, Mickey Mouse was less well known than ''[[Super Mario Bros (Franchise)|Super Mario Bros.]]'', ''[[SpongeBob SquarePants (Animation)|SpongeBob SquarePants]]'', ''[[Hello Kitty]]'', and ''[[Harry Potter (Literaturenovel)|Harry Potter]]''. It was probably for the best they stuck Mickey in a toddlers' show, just to introduce him to younger children.

*** Same thing for ''[[Jake and Thethe NeverlandNever Pirates (Animation)|Jake and The NeverlandLand Pirates]]'', except arguably even worse due to their treatment of [[Peter Pan (Disney film)|Captain Hook]], turning him from a menacing evil pirate to a [[Villain Decay|bumbling oaf]] in order to make him appropriate for a preschool cartoon.

* ''[[Caillou (Animation)|Caillou]]'': Those jokes about him having cancer/being bald from chemotherapy speak volumes. The [[Hatedom]] is somewhat justified among parents, as many have [http://www.imdb.com/user/ur17454603/comments evidence] it was a dangerous influence on their children. On the other hand, parents make up only a small percentage of haters here -- much, much more of the hatedom comes from high school students who simply hate the show for being slow.

* ''[[Dora the Explorer (Animation)|Dora the Explorer]]'': Particularly to those who hate being treated like they have [[Viewers Are Goldfish|the memory of a goldfish]]. <ref> There's some [[Truth in Television]] to it though- a-- research carried out by Scholastic in the 80s concluded that viewers learn better through participation than through rote repetition, and some schools of thought do feel that repeating something so often is akin to underestimating and thus looking down on a toddler's intelligence level. (Also, sports players will probably tell you that repetition is the mother of all skill, but that's different.)</ref>

** Dora hate is played with in ''[[ShermansSherman's Lagoon]]''; the titular shark, a middle-aged male, loves the show because [[Who Would Be Stupid Enough...?|he's just that stupid]].

** ''[[Saturday Night Live]]''{{'}}s [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKR-OXq6hU parody].

* ''[[Dragon Tales (Animation)|Dragon Tales]]'', due to Ord's incessant whining and the somewhat [[Sugar Bowl]] environment that is Dragon Land. And oh, some religions cite dragons as evil: why there is a (negative) trope named after them. However, it's starting to get a following.

* ''[[Veggie Tales (Animation)|Veggie Tales]]'': Part of it is because of the vandalism caused by fans of the show to random pages on [[The Other Wiki]], and spammers who love that show so much that they use clips of it to plug their "Super Duper Video Converter". But there's a fair amount of hate from non-Christians, too, for being a religious show for young kids. ''Veggie Tales'' tends to have enough [[Parental Bonus]] (in the form of pop cultural references—e.g., [[Monty Python and Thethe Holy Grail (Film)|the French peas guarding the wall of Jericho]]) to avoid the "babyish" criticism, though.

* ''[[Hopla (Animation)|Hopla]]'' is bashed for its [[Limited Animation]] and boring set-up despite being for ''infants''. (Another case of "Just because it's for kids, it doesn't mean you can half-ass it.")

* ''[[Little Einsteins (Animation)|Little Einsteins]]'' is hated by exactly four schools of people: those who can't stand the inanity or shallowness of the story, those who don't like being treated like they have the memory of a goldfish, those who can't stand them shoehorning silly lyrics onto classical melodies, and longtime [[Disney Channel|Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior]] fans who miss the days of ''[[Bear in Thethe Big Blue House]]'', ''[[Rolie Polie Olie]]'', ''[[PB and J Otter]]'' &and ''[[Stanley]]''.

* ''[[Fanboy and Chum Chum (Animation)|Fanboy and Chum Chum]]''. If you check out a thread asking for opinions on the Nickelodeon message boards for this show, they'll range from good to mediocre. [[IMDb]] and the tv.com website provides us with much more insightful, though, to say the least, critical reviews. Also, anything that's not an actual episode of the show, but, for example, the intro or some fan videos on YouTube will be literally flooded with hate comments.

** In a near-identical vein, ''[[The Mighty B (Animation)|The Mighty B!]]''.

* ''[[Jay Jay the Jet Plane (Animation)|Jay Jay the Jet Plane]]'': The planes, helicopters and staff of Toytown Airport offer entertainment, life lessons and moral instruction for ages 2-62–6. Unfortunately it's also lodged deep in the [[Uncanny Valley]].

* ''[[Baby Looney Tunes (Animation)|Baby Looney Tunes]]''. Though probably not meant for anyone over the age of six, fans of the original ''[[Looney Tunes (Animation)|Looney Tunes]]'' and ''[[Tiny Toon Adventures (Animation)|Tiny Toon Adventures]]'' have a special loathing for it.

** To a somewhat lesser extent, ''[[The Looney Tunes Show (Animation)|The Looney Tunes Show]]''. Though most will agree at least it's better than ''Baby Looney Tunes'' or ''[[Loonatics Unleashed (Animation)|Loonatics Unleashed]]''.

* ''[[The Problem Solverz (Animation)|The Problem Solverz]]'', partly because of its [[Sensory Abuse]].

* ''[[Tuff Puppy (Animation)|Tuff Puppy]]'', largely due to it being a [[Cliché Storm]].

* ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'', though much of this is due to [[Hype Aversion]].

** Reading angry comments, it seems the main issue is that the [[Periphery Demographic]] is at best propagating an overused [[Me Me]]meme, and at worse [[Troll|trollingtroll]]ing the world, because they couldn't ''really'' be enjoying a show that [[Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch|must be]] just [[Girl Show Ghetto|stupid girly]] [[Merchandise-Driven|toy commercials.]]

** In Canada, it's even worse, because the one channel that it airs on, [[Treehouse TV]], is a ''preschool channel'' that airs it after ''[[Barney and Friends (TV)|Barney and Friends]]''. It's almost as if they were trying to get rid of the show's [[Periphery Demographic]], especially since the word "loser" is [[Bowdlerise|censored out]] there as an obvious result of that.

** The rest of the ''[[My Little Pony (Franchise)|My Little Pony]]'' franchise, being aimed exclusively at young girls, has an even larger Periphery Hatedom; even ''Friendship Is Magic''{{'}}s [[Periphery Demographic]] rejects it, as seen in the comments of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZpurerF2HM this video].

** A classic punching bag for most other segments of the ''My Little Pony'' fandom is ''[[My Little Pony Tales (Animation)|My Little Pony Tales]]'', which removed the mystical elements from the plot and completely anthropomorphicizedanthropomorphized the ponies--inponies—in other words, it became ''My Little Pony'' [[In Name Only]], leaving nothing over but hyperbolic femininity.

** A very strange example of this directed at the show is when [[Cartoon Brew (Blog)|Cartoon Brew]] [https://web.archive.org/web/20120615031525/http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cartoon-culture/my-little-bronies.html#comments ran this article about bronies]. When someone called out Amid about for using a fan with Aspergers' syndrome to make fun of the fandom, his response was "The reason I chose the quote is because the guy said he learned more about life in a season of a toddler cartoon than he did in the previous three decades of his life. It's too bad you can't see the humor in that. " The weird thing is that ''this is supposedly an animation website'' that usually wouldn't fall victim to the [[Animation Age Ghetto]] like this.

** As for characters in the show itself, the [[Desperately Looking for Aa Purpose In Life|Cutie Mark Crusaders]] receive a whole lot of hate from the adult fanbase, despite being popular with the show's intended demographic.

* ''[[Max and Ruby (Animation)|Max and Ruby]]'', partly due to a [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]].

* Any cartoon that is targeted towards adults and teens, and specializes in [[Getting Crap Past the Radar]] tends to have a Periphery Hatedom among deeply religious individuals, as well as those who just find the cartoons distasteful or offensive. Examples include ''[[South Park (Animation)|South Park]]'', ''[[Drawn Together (Animation)|Drawn Together]]'' and ''[[Family Guy (Animation)|Family Guy]]''.

* As popular as it is, it seems that ''[[SpongeBob SquarePants (Animation)|SpongeBob SquarePants]]'' is here among older fans of [[Nickelodeon]] who are just sick of the show and wish it would die to make room for many other better Nicktoons.

* Any cartoon in general that is released in a new decade (especially true with 90s kids) will get some amount of hate from [[Nostalgia Filter|older generations]], regardless of the show in question's actual merits. Even popular shows such as ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animation)|Avatar]]'' and ''[[Adventure Time (Animation)|Adventure Time]]'' will get this reaction from some groups.

* ''[[Special Agent Oso (Animation)|Special Agent Oso]]'', mostly from the [[Viewers Are Goldfish|"Every episode is the same!"]] school of thought.

* ''[[Ultimate Spider-Man (Animationanimation)|Ultimate Spider-Man]]'' has become loathed by adult Marvel fans who find the show too comedic and immature compared to other Marvel cartoons from the same period, or the comic with the same name.

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