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*** And one of the costume choices for the boys? The cross-dressing pageant outfits.
** The game is confirmed for US release (though the Vita isn't region locked anyway) in October.
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]: {{spoiler|Adachi}} is surprisingly simple, considering his importance to the plot; honestly, he actually comes across as noticeably weaker than the [[That One Boss|rather brutal]] {{spoiler|Kunino-sagiri battle that preceded him}}. Justified in that {{spoiler|he's immediately followed by the much more dangerous Ameno-sagiri, but it's still a bit jarring}}.
* [[Anvilicious]]: The game hits pretty early and pretty hard with the message that it's better to face your true self than to live in denial, from the murder mystery premise to the way the characters gain their personas. [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped|Of course, that's not exactly a bad message]]. Just a tad overbearing.
* [[Applicability]]: Naoto is seen by many Western fans as [[Transsexualism]], which overlaps with, but wasn't exactly the intent of the creators.
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* [[Escapist Character]]: Yu definitely qualifies as he can romance school and TV idols, is an uncontested leader, a [[Supreme Chef]], a [[Warrior Therapist]] and generally comes out as an all-around cool guy for absolutely everyone he meets.
* [[Even Better Sequel]]: The gameplay is ''miles'' better than its predecessor. Most notably [[Artificial Stupidity|not having to wrassle with uncooperative ally AI in battle]]. Ironically, the Portable remake of ''Persona 3'' had a number of refinements that were directly inspired by ''Persona 4'', including the ability to instruct your teammates.
* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: Shadow Rise takes Rise [[Ms. Fanservice]]'s traits to the extreme level: she clearly ''moans'' during her boss battle, where she rides a strip pole. And "threatens" to get naked(which she does, but is [[Barbie Doll Anatomy]]) . Yosuke, who never hides how much of a pervert he is, outright says to Yu which he don't knows if he should be frightened or aroused by her as the party fights the manifestation of the idol's hidden desires.
* [[Fan-Preferred Couple]]:
** Despite there not being any real "official" couples (what with [[Chick Magnet|being able to date everyone]]), {{spoiler|Naoto}} and the Protagonist get paired up a ''lot'' (to the point that said spoiler is reaching [[It Was His Sled]] territory). Yukiko and Rise are also very popular targets for Protagonist-shipping, more or less in a dead heat behind {{spoiler|Naoto}} for second place.
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** The ability for skills to randomly change during fusion. It is random, yes, but it is also possible for a Level 45 or 50 persona to get ''Victory Cry'', which can normally only be gotten by Lucifer at Level 99. This makes the rest of the game a cakewalk in terms of grinding. A trick with the Persona Kaiwan, normally around Level 25 or so, can be fused on a specific day some time during June, and with enough patience and luck, it can acquire Victory Cry, which can then be fused onto other Personas.
** Spell Master halves the SP cost of all skills that use it. This is quite useful in the Hollow Forest, in which if you have a Persona with that ability, you can essentially throw around high-level spells while your accessory recoups the cost.
* [[Genius Bonus]]: Kintoki-Douji is a mechanical bear attached to the end of an Arrow-class missile, a design furthered by Kamui-Moshiri. The Ainu people worshipped a bear-kamui, Kimun-Kamui, through a ritual practice that involved rearing a bear cub for several years, and then sacrificing it by shooting it to death with arrows.
* [[Germans Love David Hasselhoff]]: This holds true in relation to ''[[Persona 3]]''. ''Persona 3'' was a little better received in Japan and is generally considered the better of the two games, and got ''far'' more spinoff merch due to the incredible demand; ''Persona 4'', meanwhile, still got a decent reception but not a great one and not much secondary merch. The opposite holds true in America and Europe, though; while ''Persona 3'' did basically bring real mainstream attention onto the franchise, ''Persona 4'' reviewed '''much''' higher and is generally considered by everyone to be a whisper away from total perfection and quickly became the best-selling SMT title in the West ''ever'' (which actually had the effect of making ''Persona 4'' the best-selling SMT game ever due to worldwide sales). This may actually be spilling back to its homeland as well, with several spinoff merch and sequels that are about equal with ''Persona 3''.
* [[Goddamned Boss]]:
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* [[Hell Is That Noise]]: Those squelchy noises Shadow Rise makes when she's moving.
* [[Hollywood Homely]]:
** Ms. Kashiwagi is widely derided among the students as ugly, when she looks like [http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090308094837/megamitensei/images/0/04/P4-NorikoKashiwagi.jpg this]{{Dead link}} (though more likely they're talking about her desperate attempts to "regain her youth").
** Rise, when she's working at her family's tofu stand. Presumably it's meant to show how different she is from her idol persona, but characters genuinely believe she's an old lady just from the fact that she's wearing a kerchief on her head.
* [[Holy Shit Quotient]]:
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** {{spoiler|Adachi}} also qualifies. "Bitches and whores", ''indeed''.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]:
** All-out attacks. Enough parodies of it exist that [http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=all-out_attack&page=1 Danbooru has a tag for it] that spans 2 pages.
** "[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_gKI9y23TA I'm Jack Frost, HO!]" (a reference to Jack Frost's (and related demons/personas) recurring [[Verbal Tic]] where he appends "ho" or "hee ho" to the end of all his sentences)
** "RISE END, CONFIRMED" [[Ho Yay|"YOUSUKE END, CONFIRMED!"]], etc. (shipping; nuff said)
** [[Accidental Innuendo|Kou looooooooves them balls]].
** {{spoiler|Adachi's}} [[Straw Misogynist]] opinion that women are "Bitches And Whores".
*** [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bitches-and-whores Fan edit of Adachi saying the line in a doujin.]
** ALL YO YENS, YIP YIP YAP
** All of [[Hiimdaisy]]'s Persona 4 comic, which eventually received [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7lj9qI8VFc a dub].
** YOU SAYIN' I LIKE DUDES?!
*** ALL YO YENS, YIP YIP YAP
* [[Memetic Sex God]]: The male protagonist was already pretty popular as this in the gandom, but [[The Anime of the Game]] takes his sex appeal [[Up to Eleven]] and the fans (females ''and'' [[Even the Guys Want Him|males]]) have reacted accordingly. According to 4chan and tumblr, [http://darkhourchronicles.tumblr.com/post/16328408826 Brotag will get EVERYONE laid].
*** YOU SAYIN' I LIKE DUDES?!
* [[Memetic Sex God]]: The male protagonist was already pretty popular as this in the gandom, but [[The Anime of the Game]] takes his sex appeal [[Up to Eleven]] and the fans (females ''and'' [[Even the Guys Want Him|males]]) have reacted accordingly. According to 4chan and tumblr, [http://darkhourchronicles.tumblr.com/post/16328408826 Brotag will get EVERYONE laid]{{Dead link}}.
* [[Misaimed Fandom]]: Most fans focus so much on Kanji's sexuality issues that they lose sight of the fact that, while that's an important factor, his ''real'' and ''biggest'' issues are with acceptance. In fact, after his level his ambiguous sexuality is only mentioned as a [[Running Gag]], while his Social Link focuses more on being true to himself. True, whether he is straight or gay ([[Bi the Way|or bisexual]]) '''is''' a part of his problems, but it's not '''the''' focus.
* [[Misblamed]]: Yukiko is often blamed for the Amagi Inn incident because she forgot the time, but it was Rise who suggested to just keep it a secret.
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** "Welcome home, Big Bro!" {{spoiler|Once it's gone, you ''will'' miss it}}.
** The music that plays when you max out a Social Link.
** Just like ''Persona 3'', the sound cue that plays along with a [[Eyedscreen|Eyed Screen]] cut-in when a team member lands a critical hit or strikes a weakness. As of ''Golden'', after January you can hear it as often as you like.
* [[Narrowed It Down to the Guy I Recognize]]: {{Spoiler|Thanks to his role in [[Power Rangers]] as Adam, Johnny Yong Bosch was by far the most famous member of the cast in 2008. He ''plays'' the protagonist, but it is only battle grunts. It comes off as highly suspicious in the original version of the game that he is playing a supporting character who doesn't even have a Social Link. Not surprisingly, he is the killer}}.
* [[Nausea Fuel]]:
** The reaction you'll get besides [[Nightmare Fuel|horror]] at Berserk Shadow Rise.
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** Mitsuo Kubo's horrible dead eyes qualify as well.
** Namatame's usual expression, staring like that can be a little creepy, although his backstory at least makes it justified. {{spoiler|His boss form has this pretty bad as well}}.
** In[[Unfortunate theImplications]]: In ''[[Persona 4: The Animation|Animation]]'', Yosuke asks why Naoto didn't catch the killer (same as he does in the game). When Naoto responds, mentioning being scared (reasonable enough, given the situation) and apologizes, Rise and Chie respond with the following statements respectively. {{spoiler|"Of course she was scared!" "She ''is'' a woman!"}} Apparently, the reason that it was okay for Naoto to be scared is {{spoiler|her sex}} rather than the fact that most people would be scared out of their minds in the same situation. It's lessened in the English translation of the game by also bringing age into the equation, but the sentiment's still there.
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]:
** In the ''[[Persona 4: The Animation|Animation]]'', Yosuke asks why Naoto didn't catch the killer (same as he does in the game). When Naoto responds, mentioning being scared (reasonable enough, given the situation) and apologizes, Rise and Chie respond with the following statements respectively. {{spoiler|"Of course she was scared!" "She ''is'' a woman!"}} Apparently, the reason that it was okay for Naoto to be scared is {{spoiler|her sex}} rather than the fact that most people would be scared out of their minds in the same situation. It's lessened in the English translation of the game by also bringing age into the equation, but the sentiment's still there.
* [[Viewer Gender Confusion]]: The Fox is actually {{spoiler|a vixen. She has kids at the end of the game}}.
* [[What an Idiot!]]: So your nephew, who you've suspected for a while of involving himself in your murder case, {{spoiler|suddenly receives a threatening letter saying someone close to him will die if he doesn't butt out}}? Why, obviously the right thing to do is {{spoiler|''leave your seven year-old daughter at home alone while you interrogate him at the police station''}}. ''Awesome'' parenting skills, Dojima! Of course, if you follow his and Nanako's Social Links, you'll learn that despite his good heart, well, parenting really is ''not'' one of Dojima's strong points.
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** Teddie's verbal tic was changed from adding the word "-kuma" to words in his sentences to making bad puns, many involving the word "bear" in some way. This arguably counts for his name, too, since the connotations of a cutesy bear calling itself "Kuma" ("Bear" in Japanese) don't translate well into English. Although even in Japanese, Teddie also made bear puns (just less often than the English version). This even goes so far as that when fan-subs of ''The Animation'' were being made before the dub was released, fans would insert bear puns into Teddie's dialogue rather than retain his use of "-kuma".
** Changing "Mayonaka TV" to "The Midnight Channel".
** "Everyday Younglife Junes" to "Every day's great at your Junes!".
** You get to engage in some Woolseyfication of your own if you take the part-time job as a translator. You'll often be asked about how you want to translate something culture-specific, like idioms or children's speech patterns, and basically have two options - [[Blind Idiot Translation|do it literally]], or creatively improvise. [[Anvilicious|You have a chance to get paid MUCH better if you improvise]] (assuming you don't [[Macekre|screw it up]]), one of the "double or nothing" opportunities that determine how much you get paid.
** The item that instantly transports you out of a dungeon was originally called "Kaereiru", from the Japanese "kaeru", meaning "return". Stateside, it's called "Goho-M". This also counts as a [[Stealth Pun]] that most people don't get until they say "Goho-M" out loud. Go on. Try it.