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Take moments specific to ''[[Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney/Fridge|Apollo Justice]]'' or ''[[Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth/Fridge|Investigations]]'' to those pages, please.
* The Woosleyized name of Redd White CEO of Bluecorp is chock full of [[Meaningful Name|meaning]]. For one, his status as [[Corrupt Corporate Executive]] and Mia's murderer means that he's turned into a very effective example of a Type 2 [[Eagle Land|Eaglelander]]. But then we meet Godot who blames Phoenix for failing to protect Mia.
* After the third case, Edgeworth introduces himself to Will Powers as a "fan". Phoenix believes it's just flattery, and on a first playthrough, the player probably will, too. But as you play the later games and get to know Edgeworth better, you'll see that he rarely (if ever) engages in flattery. It eventually becomes very clear to anyone paying attention (especially in ''Ace Attorney Investigations'') that he was ''dead serious'' when he said he was a fan.
** Sort of a Reverse Tearjerker, but considering Edgeworth's past... this is probably the ''only childish thing he's been able to enjoy'' since nine.
* This really covers the entire series, but this was the game that I first realized it. I didn't get why we kept getting flashes of Phoenix and the Prosecuting Attorney staring one another down prior to the start of cross examination, without it mattering who was on the stand, when really you're doing more to try and beat the witness than the Prosecutor. But during the fifth case when I saw Gant on the stand, it finally hit me... Phoenix and Edgeworth weren't giving each other the death glare, they were both giving it to the witness... the witness who was caught between the defense and prosecutor both trying to find out the truth!
* [[Fridge Horror]]: The reason Cindy Stone died is related to Larry leaving the door open.
* Why does Damon Gant have a cross-shaped necktie, a theme that sounds like organ music, a pipe organ in his office, and a suit of armor?
* Angel Starr's primary trait is that, depending on which half of her face is concealed, she is either nasty or nice. She is also a former detective with a special talent for interrogation. She is literally [[Good Cop, Bad Cop|the good cop and the bad cop]], both in one person.
* When first playing ''[[Phoenix Wright]] Ace Attorney: Justice For All'', it was disappointing how much the last case seemed a retread of
** Another parallel between 2-4 and 1-3 is the polar oppositeness of {{spoiler|Matt Engarde}} and Will Powers. The former is a [[Bitch in Sheep's Clothing]], while the latter has the [[Face of a Thug]].
* Case 3:
* It can be hard to understand how Franziska was so determined to uphold her father's legacy and be just like him despite the fact that {{spoiler|Manfred was eventually outed as a batshit insane killer}}. Even the fact that she's his daughter doesn't excuse what could be seen as her blind devotion to him. But think of it like this: she doesn't fully support Manfred, only the fact that, aside from {{spoiler|the murder of Edgeworth's father}}, he really was a phenomenal prosecutor. So Franzy isn't upholding the legacy of Manfred the {{spoiler|killer}}, she's upholding the legacy of Manfred ''the prosecutor''.
** Franziska actually says in-game that her real goal was to get back at Edgeworth for leaving her by proving she had surpassed him. It is also implied that the family reputation for perfection extends to other members of the family besides the two we see, which could explain why she seems so devoted to her family's name even after it's revealed that she wasn't that mad about Phoenix (justifiably) hurting her father's reputation.
** This theme gets continued in ''[[Ace Attorney
* Franziska is the lawyer to use the Catchphrase '''OBJECTION!!''' the least in all of the series, preferring to just whip somebody when she's about to say something. Phoenix even comments on it. First, this seemed to merely reinforce the fact that she doesn't care about courtroom-rules, but here's a fact: "
* At first, {{spoiler|Matt Engarde's}} revelation as a [[Bitch in Sheep's Clothing]] seems completely out of the blue, but then you remember something: {{spoiler|he's an ''actor'', and a popular one at that. He gets paid a lot of money to pretend to be a hero of justice (something that he most definitely isn't) which means that he's got a lot of talent. Everyone around him keeps remarking how you can "see his star potential", and unlike Juan Corrida, he's subtle enough in his deception that any scandals went unnoticed (since no one other than Adrian Andrews seemed to know that he was Celeste's ex)}}. The revelation isn't that much of a surprise that way.
* One bothersome thing about
* It bothered this [[Tropers/Dutchtica|troper]] that after game one, having [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|a blackmailer company owner]], [[The Mafia|a mob boss]], [[Big Bad|a corrupt prosecutor]], and [[Magnificent Bastard|the chief of police himself]] beat in court, that in the two main cases of game two, not counting the [[Warmup Boss|Warmup Case]], you're met with a [[Obfuscating Stupidity|ditzy]] [[The Woobie|nurse]] [[Tear Jerker|who lost her sister because of her]] [[Asshole Victim|jerkass boss pushing her too hard]], and a [[Pay Evil Unto Evil|disabled]] [[The Woobie|former acrobat]] [[Crusading Widower|who lost his brother]] [[The Ditz|because of actions of his brother's affection]], feeling that these were very underwhelming compared to the last game. Until this clicked: It's a setup for
* The page quote on the ''[[Ace Attorney]]'' page is about how none of the series' murders are straightforward. An excellent example of this is the fact that in
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** Relatedly,
* Case 4 again
* This troper was thinking about the car accident in
** One: Why was it up to speculation whether Mimi Mini was drugged? Couldn't they have run a drug test on her body?
*** This one isn't really a [[Fridge Briliance]] if you think about it. It's stated clearly several times during the case that the crash caused a HUGE fire and that the fire made "identifing the body almost impossible
** Two: Why did
* The Miney sisters' crash also leads to some rather nasty [[Fridge Horror]]: {{spoiler|Mimi Miney's}} face was burnt badly enough that she needed reconstructive surgery, and {{spoiler|Ini Miney's}} whole body was [[Nightmare Fuel|burnt to the point where she was unrecognizable]], {{spoiler|since everyone had assumed that she was Mimi}}. Feel free to imagine how {{spoiler|the real Ini}}'s body must have looked in order for them to make that mistake if you need to stay up late tonight, and then imagine how her sister must have felt about having caused that.
* Though I think it to be one of the best games I've ever played, ''Justice
** This, of course, doesn't change the fact that the cases didn't all form a very poetic story. ''Justice
** [[Fridge
* The overarching plot is dealt with in the first, fourth and fifth cases, while the middle two ("Recipe for Turnabout" and "The Stolen Turnabout") seemed irrelevant. However, they foreshadowed major events in the metaplot. {{spoiler|1=In Case 2, the true killer is Luke Atmey, a man whose name alone shows what he wants. He's an incredibly arrogant criminal who wants to be the centre of attention and commits crimes to cover up his other crimes. Just like Dahlia Hawthorne. You could also read Ron DeLite as being a representation of young Phoenix from
** {{spoiler|In the third case, the victim's coffee cup is poisoned as he manages to finally escape his debt with Furio Tigre. Like Diego Armando was poisoned by Dahlia Hawthorne just as he looked set to get case breaking evidence to implicate her for the murder of her sister, the theft of the diamond, creating a false identity, causing the death of Terry Fawles and tampering with evidence
** The Très Bien case contains a fake
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** There's a triple parallel in both cases with the theme of {{spoiler|1=false identities and impersonation. Much like with Tigre/Nick and Iris/Dahlia, a major breakthrough came when it was realized that there were actually two <nowiki>Mask*DeMasques</nowiki> running around, Luke and Ron}}. As well, the ridiculous efforts of Ron to keep his wife happy and the awkward romantic fumblings of Gumshoe for Maggey are writ large with {{spoiler|Godot's attempts to protect Maya and destroy Dahlia for Mia's sake}}.
*** The Ron/Desiree thing resembles the relationship between Terry Fawles and Dahlia Hawthorne a little bit. Everything that was problematic between Ron and Desiree is taken [[Up to Eleven]] with the nightmare that is Terry x Dahlia.
** Viola actually admits that what Furio was doing to collect on his debts was "evil," but that she was helping him with it because
** Also,
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* When Godot keeps talking about coffee being "dark and bitter"? {{spoiler|He's talking about ''himself''
* Phoenix is an ersatz member of the Fey family. Mia is his mentor, and Maya and Pearls are like his little sisters. That much is obvious, but what isn't so obvious is that Edgeworth is ''the same thing for the Von Karmas''. Maya and Franzy are even the same age, and, like their "big brothers", have opposite personalities. Maya is warm, a bit ditzy, and wears her heart on her sleeve, while Fran is cold, intelligent, condescending, and likes to use her whip to get in touch with people, since she has difficulty empathizing. Also, {{spoiler|the parental figures in both are absent through most of the series. Mia is ''killed'', and Manfred is sent to jail for ''murder'', later referred to as "gone". In the third game, Misty Fey herself returns after a long absence, only to be killed
* The [[Karma Houdini]] of {{spoiler|Viola Cadaverini}} doesn't make a lot of sense at first. Phoenix even proved that person's involvement since they were a key player in creating the illusion that {{spoiler|Maggey Byrde poisoned Glen Elg's coffee}} and people have been arrested for evidence tampering before in the game. However, it makes sense once you think back to Gumshoe's claim that {{spoiler|nobody can touch the Cadaverinis. Of course, Viola didn't go to jail, her grandfather is a mob boss}}.
* It seems strange that Dahlia in
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* There are some interesting visual things relating to Dahlia Hawthorne. When her eyes turn white in the first case, it looks a lot like what happens with Morgan Fey in
** For that matter, one may notice that
* Dahlia and Iris are both names for flowering plants.
* I immediately noticed that Glen Elg was a palindrome and that the name of his replacement, Adam Mada, is also a palindrome. However, I somehow didn't notice that his boss, Lisa Basil, also had a palindrome name. This is one of the many name-related jokes/symbols of the series and happens to be one that not everyone caught at first.
* At first, it seems like Lisa Basil is reluctant to talk about Glen Elg's problems because she doesn't want to speak ill of her deceased employee, doesn't want to help the man defending her employee's supposed murderer, or is embarrassed that things like
* In the first playthrough, it is made pretty clear that Godot has a grudge against Phoenix for
** It is actually mentioned that there are
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* [[Fridge Horror]]: {{spoiler|Dahlia}} calls Mia a spinster out of spite, which would normally just be insulting {{spoiler|had she not been the one who poisoned Mia's boyfriend}}.
=== Across Entire Phoenix Arc ===▼
* Why don't Maya or Pearl simply channel the spirit of the victim to find out who killed them? They probably ''can't'', or at least not repeatedly and/or with guaranteed success. The reason that Maya couldn't even summon Mia in the first game was because she was still in training -- it was only her panic at Phoenix losing the case that enabled her to call Mia to help her. Despite going back to Kurain Village to hone her abilities, she still hadn't mastered her powers by the time she meets up with Phoenix again -- she was attempting her first ''real'' summoning while Phoenix was there. After that, ''every person the Feys summon is a blood relative''. Maya tried to summon Mimi Miney, but that was under very controlled and ritualized circumstances, and we {{spoiler|never get to see whether she would have succeeded or failed, as it was all a set-up, and Mimi wasn't dead anyway}}.<br />Maya repeatedly summons Mia, her sister. Pearl summons Mia, her cousin. Both of them are cousins through the ''female'' half of the Fey bloodline. Pearl is told to summon {{spoiler|Dahlia, who is her half-sister through their mother}} -- and therefore the Fey bloodline. She fails, but only because Maya has already summoned {{spoiler|Dahlia}} -- who is her {{spoiler|cousin}} through, once again, the female side of the family. They are never shown summoning anyone that isn't related to them through the Fey bloodline -- it's possible that doing so is extremely difficult, and they might not be able to control the spirit they summon regardless.
** On a related note, in
*** What about Gregory Edgeworth? Or can that be chalked up to how Misty had more training than Maya or Pearl?
**** Misty was the Master of the Kurain Technique, and one who had more power than her sister. It was in a controlled situation with a highly trained professional. Maya and Pearl are not that good yet; Maya's only twenty, and Pearl is nine.
*** As an interesting little side note, though, although Misty ''is'' the Master and can probably summon just about any spirit, {{spoiler|she is the other person who channeled Dahlia in Case 3-5, and Dahlia is her niece. ''Everyone'' in that case who channeled (or tried to channel) her was still related to her}}.
* Manfred von Karma was shot in his right shoulder and is what brings his downfall. In ''Justice
* In the first game, Phoenix describes [[Butt Monkey|Larry]] as a good friend of his, but in the others, his opinion seems to be, "I'm ashamed to know him." The shift in attitude could be put down to [[Flanderization]] and/or [[Characterization Marches On]], but it could also be explained by the fact that at the end of Case 1-4, Nick finds out that {{spoiler|Larry was the culprit behind the incident in fourth grade that made him want to become a lawyer in the first place. He considered Larry a friend for coming to his rescue, but finding out Larry was the reason he got in trouble in the first place kind of tainted that a bit}}.
* Tie-in between the second and third games:
** On a related note, this is something that the culprit says in ''Justice
* The way Maya can shrug off [[Trauma Conga Line|seeing all her relatives dieing horribly around her]] with so little pain is actually easy to explain when you realize she is one of the few people in the world who doens't have any doubts about the existense of an afterlife and can allways ask Pearl to channel
* I'm not sure if it was intentional, but the Fey family seems to have a specific naming pattern
** Additional [[Fridge Brilliance
** OBJECTION!!! What about
*** It could be that {{spoiler|Ami}} is pronounced
* [[Fridge Brilliance]]: It may seem like [[Fridge Logic]] when unlucky Maggey Byrde fell from her 9th story apartment as a baby and survived. Seems like that would make her ''extremely lucky'', right? But then it hits you: by surviving, the rest of her life basically became a ''living hell''. Guess sometimes you really are [[Fate Worse Than Death|better off dead]]. {{spoiler|She is the defendant for
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