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* [[Awesome Music (Sugar Wiki)|Awesome Music]]: [[Ace Attorney/Awesome Music|Has its own page]]
* [[Complete Monster]]:
** Redd White from
** And then we have {{spoiler|Manfred von Karma}} from
* [[Crazy Awesome]]: Many characters have their moments. One of the best example is Manfred von Karma who {{spoiler|''retrains a parrot''}}. No, he doesn't want to lose.
* [[Ear Worm]]: Some of the music ''will'' get put on repeat in your head. Jake Marshall's theme, for example.
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** Even with Edgeworth and Phoenix as rivals, it doesn't stop certain fans from shipping them like FedEx.
** Gregory and Manfred, according to most of [[Fandom]].
* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]:
** When you show Lana Skye the Attorney's Badge, she comments that the gold plating will flake off in a few years, then we'll see the ''real'' Phoenix. The conversation ends like this:
{{quote|'''Lana Skye''': "Give it three years. Then we'll see what you've become."}}
** {{spoiler|Phoenix is disbarred approximately three years later in-game.}}
*** That could have been deliberate foreshadowing.
* [[Hell Is That Noise]]: Manfred von Karma's villainous objections.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:
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* [[Love to Hate]]: '''Manfred von Karma'''. Despite being present in only three cases in the entire series, two of which being flashback cases in later games, he still manages to remain one of the most memorable [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]] in the series to this day. It helps that no other prosecutor after him has managed to put as much of a fight as he did during "Turnabout Goodbyes".
* [[Memetic Molester]]: Damon Gant.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]:
** Due to the murder in "Turnabout Goodbyes" taking place during December 25th, it's very common among the fandom to refer to Christmas as the "DL-6mas" and similar nicknames.
** [http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/ Peachifruit's comics] does this constantly.▼
** Damon Gant--in spades. He will RAEP you, indeed. Also, Phoenix Wrong.
* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: Manfred's frequent, [[Nightmare Fuel|demonic]] '''{{color|red|Objection!}}'''s in 1-4.▼
▲** [https://web.archive.org/web/20141010072121/http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/ Peachifruit's comics] does this constantly.
** Speaking to Mike Meekins in case 5; that megaphone...!▼
* [[Most Annoying Sound]]:
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** Some people can't stand the sound of Manfred's fingersnaps.
* [[Player Punch]]: Having to prove towards the end of 1-5 that {{spoiler|Ema, who's been your sidekick for the whole case, accidentally killed Neil Marshall two years ago}}.▼
* [[That One Boss]]: The first half of the first day of the trial in 1-5 is one of the hardest parts in the game, especially since much of it consists of finding subtle flaws in Angel Starr's testimony, mainly concerning the point from which she supposedly saw Lana stab Goodman.▼
* [[Never Live It Down]]: Edgeworth will never live down his dirty "updated autopsy report" trick to destroy your contradiction in Case 2 despite his posterior [[Character Development]].
* [[Player Punch]]:
** Redd White punches Phoenix in Case 2. What, didn't think physical harm was possible for a visual novel character?
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▲* [[That One Boss]]: The first half of the first day of the trial in
* [[Unintentionally Sympathetic]]:
** Edgeworth in this installment, as Shu Takumi noted that he was supposed to be tragic, yet unlikable. The "unintentionally" part fades over time.
** A fair share of fans seem to view Joe Darke as a mentally ill [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]] instead of the [[Ax Crazy|Ax-Crazy]] [[Sociopath]] that the law-enforcement characters seem to view him as. Yes, he was a [[Serial Killer]], but his backstory and motives — specifically that his first killing was a complete accident, the rest were out of paranoia instead of malice or sadism, he actually turned himself in despite the police lacking sufficient evidence (implying remorse), he only tried to escape after the blackout occurred (implying a panic attack), and he was attacked by Neil before even being able to react to Ema's presence (leaving it ambiguous as to whether or not he actually [[Would Hurt a Child]]) — seem to make said fans feel that he should've been institutionalized instead of executed.
=== ''Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice for All'' ===
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]: Breaking Wendy Oldbag's psyche-locks in
* [[Complete Monster]]: The killer of Case
▲* [[Base Breaker]]: Case 2-3 (Turnabout Big Top).
** Oh yeah, and how about that
▲* [[Complete Monster]]: The killer of Case 2-4, {{spoiler|Matt Engarde}}. Especially what was done to {{spoiler|Celeste and Juan}}, over extremely petty things.
*** She's ''even worse'' when you consider that, in
▲** Oh yeah, and how about that {{spoiler|Morgan Fey}}? Tried to ''kill her'' '''''own niece''''' just to get her daughter to become Master, indirectly caused her own sister's death, and then there's [[Moral Event Horizon|how she plans to use]] [[The Woobie|Pearl]]... It's also explicitly mentioned that the reason she planned to {{spoiler|set up Pearl as the Kurain heiress}} is not for her young daughter's well-being or benefit, but instead to revive a shred of her petty prideful dignity in assuring that {{spoiler|she is the mother of the ruling line of the Kurain}}. She seriously did not give half a damn about her eight year old daughter's feelings on the matter.
* [[Contested Sequel]]: While not universally disliked, most fans consider it to be uneven at best. While the second case is considered to be good, and the finale is considered one of the best cases in the entire franchise, the tutorial case is at best forgettable and "Turnabout Big Top" is one of the least-liked cases of the series.
▲*** She's ''even worse'' when you consider that, in case {{spoiler|3-5}}, it's mentioned that Pearl would ''not'' have wanted to {{spoiler|go along with Morgan's plan if she had known that Maya would die}}. It's bad enough that she was going to use Pearl for her own benefits, but the fact that she deliberately lied to manipulate Pearl's devotion to her is even more awful.
* [[Ending Fatigue]]: The last trial eventually boils down to just stalling for time until a [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment happens. ''Canonically!''
* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]:
** Phoenix's nightmare of being disbarred by a giant, demonic judge becomes much less funny in ''Apollo Justice'' after he really does get disbarred.
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* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: Franziska's whip will have you wanting to strangle her with it by the time those two cases are over.▼
* [[Most Annoying Sound]]:
* [[Player Punch]]: Pretty much ''all'' of the last case, starting right at the beginning when {{spoiler|Maya gets kidnapped to blackmail Nick}}, and just getting worse when you find out {{spoiler|the client is [[Complete Monster|guilty as sin]]}}.▼
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* [[Squick]]: In ''Justice for All'', Pearl gives us this gem:▼
** The sound of the tracking device Franziska has on Gumshoe. Constant, high-pitched beeping. Gets people's attention mostly by being amazingly obnoxious.
** Though the player doesn't ''hear'' it per-se, Moe's laugh is ''really'' annoying.
* [[Player Punch]]:
** The first act of "Reunion, and Turnabout". Particuarly Maya's [[Angst]] at the detention center.
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* [[Replacement Scrappy]]: In this game, Franziska has very little character beyond being a cartoonish [[Jerkass]] with thinly-sketched motives, and the only time she gets any real character development isn't until ''after the end credits''. The next game and the two ''Ace Attorney Investigations'' entries would flesh her out much more, although her portrayal here is still a big factor in this being seen as one of the weakest entries in the series.
* [[Squick]]:
{{quote|"Let's go let her whip us, Mr. Nick!"}}
**
* [[Vindicated by History]]: For a long time this was, aside from the final case, seen as the worst game in the whole ''Ace Attorney'' franchise, for lacking the tight storyline of the first or third games, or the novelty factor of ''[[Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney]]'' or the first ''[[Ace Attorney Investigations]]'' game. Since then, opinions toward it have warmed considerably, to the point where it's actually now considered one of the better games in the series, only really let down by a poor third case and Franziska being a rather one-note adversary. Even the game's [[Sequel Difficulty Spike]] is looked on more favorably when compared to some of the newer entries, which have been criticised for being too easy.
=== ''Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations'' ===
* [[Accidental Innuendo]]:
* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: In an odd example, a couple gets this. The DeLites are either {{spoiler|a [[Happily Married]] couple of a man who isn't above stealing for the happiness of his wife and a woman who likes strong emotions, and authentically loves her husband for many factors besides money, or a [[Happily Married]] couple of a crook and a gold digger.}}▼
** Due to a typo in Case 2, Mia says "Your Honor. When you were ''in'' a child..."
** Assuming it's not intentional [[Getting Crap Past the Radar]], everything about the "weenies" (as in sausages) in Case 3. Made worse by the fact that they're supposedly a symbol of Gumshoe's love for Maggey.
** In Case 5, you can get Gumshoe to admit he wants to stick his pen in Phoenix's face.
* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]:
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** Then there's the question of Terry Fawles' mental state. If he's mentally healthy, then he's an ephebophile, but if he suffers from mental problems or learning difficulties, then it's possible that he just doesn't understand the implications of a relationship with such an age gap. At least in the American version of the game (where [[Word of God]] claims takes place in California), the question is one of whether or not he was knowingly skirting the line with 14-year-old Dahlia, as the local age of consent is 18.
**
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]:
** Sister Bikini's five Psyche-Locks all comes off at the same time with merely two presentations of evidence. Most other unlocking sequences require, on average, one or two pieces of evidence ''per lock''. Justified as unlike many other witnesses who are all to eager to keep their secrets hidden until at breaking point, Sister Bikini is arguably one of the most co-operative witness of the series, and knows when to co-operate for the benefit of everyone involved, no matter how big the secret she tries to hide.
** {{spoiler|Luke Atmey}} in Case 2 initially appears to be one of these, since he gives up with surprising ease on the first trial day and admits to being the true thief. Actually a subversion, however, since {{spoiler|he ''wanted'' to be found guilty of theft, so that he would have an alibi for the murder of Kane Bullard, which was in fact his doing}}.
* [[Base Breaker]]: Godot.
* [[Breather Boss]]: In Case 3, Gumshoe's Psyche-Lock regarding the lottery. Most likely [[Played for Laughs]], given that Gumshoe ends up telling Phoenix crucial information about his cases without meaning to do so.
* [[Complete Monster]]: The [[Big Bad]], {{spoiler|Dahlia Hawthorne}}. She ruined--or tried to--the lives of pretty much every single human being she could for utterly petty reasons. Her solution to almost every problem she faces seems to involving murdering someone. The Case Files manga once refers to her as the "most evil woman in [[Ace Attorney]]".
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Godot. There's a pretty big difference between sympathetic {{spoiler|murderer}} and absolving him of all his {{spoiler|crimes}} and bad decisions. [[Creator's Pet|Then again, the writers could have arguably been doing the same thing
* [[Dude, Not Funny|Dude, Not Funny!]]: Franziska whipping Phoenix in Case 5 (i.e. a recently discharged hospital patient who nearly drowned to death and who still has a cold).
* [[Even Better Sequel]]: At the very least it's considered a big improvement over ''Justice For All'' (even though many agree none of the cases ''quite'' match up to "Farewell, My Turnabout", with the exception of "Bridge to the Turnabout", which is also considered one of the best cases in the series), with many fans regarding it as the best game in the entire ''Ace Attorney'' franchise.
* [[Evil Is Sexy]]: {{spoiler|Dahlia Hawthorne}}.
* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]:
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** Mia's random comedic assaults on Grossberg in Case 1 every time Phoenix says something adoring about Dahlia become much less funny when you realize that it's not just low tolerance for sappy, saccharine gushing — it's because she's bottling up a lot of ''hate'' for Dahlia and with very good reason. There's also the possibility that it's related to the fact that she ''knows'' Grossberg is responsible for leaking the information on her mother, and her mother's resulting disappearance.
* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]: Phoenix's comment in
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]:
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* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: While not being a [[Big Bad]],
* [[Squick]]:
** STOP TALKING ABOUT HEMORRHOIDS! Even worse in this case because Case 1's culprit is the first one in the series that poses a challenge to the player right in the first case so there's a huge chance of hearing Grossberg talking about it again and again after said culprit's cross-examination.
** There's only one reason! One as obvious as Jean Armstrong in a thong on the Riviera!
* [[Values Dissonance]]:
* [[Viewer Gender Confusion]]: Ron DeLite. Some people mistake him for a woman thanks to his feminine appearance and passive personality.
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