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* Note that Kyubey and Mami very intentionally make sure that Homura never gets a chance to speak extensively with Madoka... even in safe places like at school.
* Considering that there are numerous quotes of Gothe's ''[[Faust]]'' in the second episode, this is actually not very far-fetched. Both works are about someone being approached by a cute animal which offers them a wish. The dog in ''Faust'' is the devil.
* Note that Homura pauses and refuses to answer when asked about her
** It's heavily insinuated that the "Making a [[Selfless Wish]] is a BAD IDEA" thing is referring to Homura, who may have made a wish on someone else's behalf only for it to not work out.
* Observe episode 3, where in a flashback you can see Mami dying in a car wreck, with Kyubey happily jumping in to [[An Offer You Can't Refuse|make her an offer she can't refuse.]]
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* Episode three has made me believe he's lying his ass off.
** On the other hand, the implications of Kyubey's evilness are so obvious it could be a [[Red Herring]].
Note that in Episode 1, when Kyubey was running away from Homura, he was covered in
* Observe in Episode 5 when we see Kyubey empower
* It's getting kind of ridiculous as of episode 6, when we find out that {{spoiler|Kyubey eats the grief seeds to dispose of them and that magical girls are effectively [[Our Liches Are Different|liches]].}} He couldn't be any more obvious, even if he started dancing around yelling "I'M EVIL!".
* In Episode 7, Homura supports the idea that Kyubey isn't exactly ''evil''. Rather, he has [[Blue and Orange Morality|no concept of human morality and values]]. Whether or not [[No Except Yes|this amounts to the same thing]] is up to you for now.
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** Jossed in the third Drama CD, in which Kyouko says she has been a magical girl for about a year when talking with Homura at a strategy meeting, and was fighting her first witch when she first met Mami.
== They're all [[Reality Warper
Isn't this pretty obvious?
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* As proved by episode 8, the characters are, to some vestigial degree, aware of the alternate timelines.
Given these two points, Kyubey knows what he needs to do: contract Madoka on Walpurgisnacht. Episode 10 demonstrates that whatever wishes she made at other times didn't make her powerful enough to be able to change the laws of nature. That one time she turns into a thundercloud-witch implies that she's likely still very strong, but not as strong as Kyubey keeps telling her she would be in the current timeline. Whatever wish Madoka made on Walpurgisnacht in the previous loop ''did'' make her powerful enough,
== It's never ''really'' been about Madoka. {{spoiler|Kyuubey's real target is Homura.}} ==
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The Witch of the Walpurgis Night is actually a way to balance out the Puella Magi - Witches quantity. If there were too many Puella Magi in an area, the number of Witches would diminish faster, and the {{spoiler|amount of Puella Magi turning into Witches would reduce as well, having partners and being less likely to see a friend fall in battle (reducing the desesperation levels)}}. So as a counter-measure, by some kind of method, the Walpurgis Night Witch is born.
For example (just a possibility), maybe when a Witch dies, its residues reunite with other Witches' residues in some secluded area and start forming a special Grief Seed which cannot be detected by the Puella Magi due to its low activity level, until this "egg" is strong enough to hatch and give birth to the Walpurgis Night Witch.<ref>
This Witch would not only create a huge amound of energy itself, it would also hugely reduce the number of Puella Magi (and {{spoiler|probably turn many of them into Witches}}), ''so that more witches can reproduce''. Slowly, more girls would be contracted to fight the newborn Witches, repeating the cycle.
Yes, you should have noticed what I've implied there: The Walpurgis Night has happened many times before. The devastating effects caused by this Witch are probably explained in the real world by a)Natural disasters <ref>
* It showed up at the same time when there were only two magical girls around and when there were five, though
** Yes, I noticed. But my point here was that there is some kind of "time limit" for the girls. If you don't die before this night, you will die during it anyway. The Witch wouldn't differentiate about how many there are left, it just appears at a certain time to do its ass-kicking job.
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== Elsa Maria was {{spoiler|Kyouko's sister}} ==
Kept here for archival purposes, as it was a common fan theory when Episode 7 came out. Should be noted that it's very unlikely: This theory would require an implausible set of [[Contrived Coincidence
* Regardless of this theory's validity, there is nothing that says {{spoiler|Kyouko's sister ''wasn't'' a magical girl}}. This might then be something that comes up in ''Oriko''.
* At this point, the only way this theory is possible is if her wish was something like " {{spoiler|Don't let Kyoko know I'm a magical girl}}".
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Everything is in [[Fan Nickname|Homuhomu's]] head, henceforth known as "Homu-space". The entire series is [[All Just a Dream|a dream sequence]] while she's in the hospital, and the restarts are akin to the classic dream-within-a-dream scenario. This would explain why all these fantastic things are happening around her, but her power equates to a glorified pause button and a [[Hammerspace]] shield. She escapes from Homu-space when she finally saves Madoka, or for absolutely no reason in episode 12/13 for trolling purposes.
** Bonus points if we're lead to believe this is the case only to have it averted at the last minute, or when she does wake up for real, that she lives in a "regular" world like ours (i.e. not ''quite'' as [[Twenty Minutes Into the Future|futuristic]]).
** Double bonus [[
== Kyubey is trying to create a pepertuum mobile ==
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* Hell, depending on how narrow the wish was interpreted, he may simply move on to Puer Magi.
* Keep in mind that her wish was ''retroactive''. If that was the case, the Incubators would have to move pretty slowly not to have figured it out within the last 5000 or so years.
** He gets it from Demons now. ''Anyone'' can become a Demon Slave ([[Word of God]] says they suck humans in and enslave them) (called "Witches" in ''[[Puella Magi Kazumi Magica]]'') when they get too much Despair; except for [[Magical Girl
*** Until there's a girl who wishes that they could erase demons before they became such. Then, there'll be Madoka to erase the witches, the other girl to erase the demons. And Kyubey will have to, somehow, work his way around it.
*** Keep in mind though that Demon Slaves can return to their human forms, unlike witches (e.g. Kazumi chapter 2). So the universe is definitely a lot better.
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When Charlotte was healthy, her two favorite foods were sweets and cheese. When she developed diabetes, she could still eat cheese, but not sweet things, so she wished her diabetes away so that she could eat desserts again. The association between her wish and sweets is why, as a witch, her barrier is dessert themed; that same association is also responsible for witch!Charlotte's ability to create sweets. Ironically, because Charlotte's wish had nothing to do with cheese, witch!Charlotte is unable to create any sort of cheese, explaining the description regarding her fixation for it in her witch card.
== The following theory is true
Taken off the PiratePad speculah pad.
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== A Walpurgisnacht Witch consists of deceased Puellae Magi, at least in the manga. ==
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Tl; dr: Walpurgisnight is a recurring event, and therefore more of a force of nature than a simple Witch. If all Walpurgisnachts are the Witch form of the same Puella Magi, it could be that Walpurgisnacht cannot be defeated, and simply comes out periodically to "feed". It is the fate of all Puellae Magi who die, no matter how, between two Walpurgisnights to become part of Walpurgisacht, while their souls go to Puella Magi Purgatory. Only if/when Walpurgisnacht is defeated
== Charlotte was bulimic. ==
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* On the other hand, Hammerspace can come with the [[Time Master]] package. [[Doctor Who|TARDIS]] anyone?
== Theories why Madoka could see Homura fighting [[Invisible to Normals|Walpurgis Night]] (both in the show's timeline and the one immediately before), despite not being a Magical Girl (yet)
* Madoka's magical potential was so great that it qualified her to see Walpurgis even before she used it.
* Kyuubey allowed her to see Walpurgis, possibly to encourage her to become a Magical Girl.
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** Actually, we know the reason, and it's none of the above; Kyubey allows girls he intends to contract see himself and Witches, just like he helps transmit their telepathic messages.
== Theories why Homura could never defeat Walpurgis Night by herself, no matter how hard she tried or powerful she became
* Madoka became more powerful with each iteration of the time loop because she was the sole cause of Homura reversing time. However, whenever Madoka died or became a witch, it was usually because of Walpurgis, making it the indirect cause of Homura reversing time. Thus, Walpurgis also became more powerful each time, going from two ordinary Magical Girls being able to defeat it to an extremely experienced Magical Girl with tons of firepower giving it her all being unable to scratch it. The hyper-charged Madoka was the only one who could have possibly stopped it.
* Walpurgis Night is immune to all non-magical damage, and none of Homura's weapons are magical. She was only ever able to defeat it with Madoka's help.
* Walpurgis Night is a [[Puzzle Boss]] that can't die until it has been damaged by at least two Magical
* In the Final Fantasy series, there's a type of recurring monster called a Tonberry, which usually has a special attack that does damage based on the number of monsters the target has killed. Walpurgis might have a similar ability: rather than dealing more damage based on the number of witches her opponent has killed, though, I think it might be that her strength is tied to the number of Magical Girls/witches her opponent has seen die in their life, rather than the number they've directly killed. Going by the five timelines we've actually seen:
** Timeline 1: Mami dies against Walpurgis, and Madoka wins with a suicide attack. Since this is before Homura started those time loops, Madoka would only be as strong as a normal Magical Girl, so why would she, who's only been at it for less than a month, be able to succeed even at the cost of her life where Mami, a powerful veteran with years of experience, could not? The answer: Mami's seen a lot more witches die, of course.
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The idea of extending the lifespan of the universe sounds good. But if the universe itself has a natural life cycle (like a gigantic cell), then what the incubators were doing was staving off apoptosis by artificially inducing telomeres to keep the universe itself long lived. Unfortunately, the Incubators failed to realize (or just didn't care about) was the fact that this would also turn it into a cosmic cancer, which could metastasize and infect other universes. What happened was that other universes made subtle changes so that the corruption would stay contained away from their universe, but didn't expect Madoka to turn it into a symbiotic system.
== The backgrounds during the [[Transformation Sequence
From the outside it appears as a brief glow coating the girl, but inside is a small bit of compressed space where the girls suit up which, like any good [[Pocket Dimension]], is bigger on the inside. This is a [[Foreshadowing|subtle hint]] as to {{spoiler|the true nature of witches and magical girls}}.
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As to the [[Starfish Alien]] and entropy story, he's either making it up as part of his plans for more witches or [[I Reject Your Reality|he actually believes that's the truth]] for some reason. Maybe it has something to do with his wish...?
== The ending is actually Homura's [[Dying Dream]] as Madokami hugs her (and everyone else on this [[Humans Are
Madoka didn't ''specifically'' wish to be able to travel through time, and we know Kyubey is pretty insistent on [[Read the Fine Print|reading the fine print]]. So the only way she could remove [[M Gs]]' growing despair was to remove their AT Fields. Of course, that also necessitated removing everyone else's (including her own), so all of humanity got <s>Tanged</s> Morning Rescued. And of course it was just so much easier to suck energy out of a sea of orange soup than out of sentient beings.
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