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* [[Fan Wank]]: There's a small group of people who think ''every single thing {{spoiler|that Anthy}} does in the series'' is manipulative and for ulterior motives. {{spoiler|Yes, even getting (re-)stabbed with a million swords in the last episode. Yes, even when Anthy disappears behind the coffin and reaches out for Utena's hand. All this is supposed to be an act to make Utena feel sorry for her so Anthy can have a prince to manipulate forever so the Rose Bride can finally leave Ohtori}}. {{spoiler|While Anthy}} is very manipulative and much of her actions in the series are malicious, the above interpretation contains several logic bombs: 1.) If {{spoiler|Anthy}} wants a prince to save her from Ohtori, she could've {{spoiler|refused to betray Utena in the penultimate episode because Utena was ''already doing everything in her power to help Anthy get out of Ohtori''. Anthy's actions make no sense unless you interpret Anthy as being hesitant about leaving}}. 2.) As the series points out, it's not {{spoiler|a lack of a prince or any inherent magic which prevents the Rose Bride from leaving Ohtori; ''it's the Rose Bride's own personal choice to stay''. Utena's feelings for Anthy, or Anthy's lack of a prince, have nothing to do with magically binding her to the duels}}.
** Don't forget the speculation that {{spoiler|young Anthy rapes young Dios in flashblack, simply due to the fact that the two of them take shelter in a barn (as per the English double-entendre "rolling in the hay"). Supporters of this particular [[Epileptic Trees|Tree]] insist that Anthy was waiting for the "perfect moment" to "taint" her brother and "claim him for herself", forgetting that this is the same Anthy who took thousands of stab wounds to keep him, and neglecting to explain at all why anyone (much less a small girl) would stop to rape their older brother when being chased by a sword-wielding mob}}.
* [[Fan HatredHater]]: ''Utena'' sadly started to get the reputation of a good show having an absolutely irredeemable fandom as the 2010s went along. They come in two flavors, so pick your poison: the first group are the radical leftist feminists/SJWs who see Utena as a "girlboss" character fighting the evil patriarchy, while the other are the rabid [[Yuri Fan]]s who make every single discussion of the show having to revolve around the idea of Anthy and Utena being together (which, while having some credibility, especially in the movie which has a stark-naked Anthy and Utena French kiss each other, really ''isn't'' the main draw of the show).
* [[Faux Symbolism]]: Various weird visual cues, the most common being rotating stylized roses, which don't appear to have any particular meaning. Ikuhara doesn't help either: he gives vague, non sequitur comments like saying the Shadow Girls are aliens (which ''would'' explain the repeated flying saucer imagery in their performances...). On the other hand, the pointing fingers in episode 22 seem to stand for [[Ship Tease]].
* [[Freud Was Right]]: Lots. Take Akio's car for example. Or his tower, or his projector, or... let's just say Akio provides the majority of this.