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*** Nanami once says about Anthy "This girl scares me." And Anthy says "I do? Thanks so much! ^_^"
*** The sheer number of times someone gets slapped, particularly Anthy.
*** After the infamous Cantarella scene in episode 37, {{spoiler|in which Anthy and Utena both claim to have ''poisoned the other'', they partake in their treats anyway.}}.
{{quote|Anthy: This tea is delicious.
Utena: So is this cookie. }}
*** Utena punching Mikage and calling him a son of a bitch. It wasn't supposed to be a funny scene, but listening to the dub, I can't stop hearing Misty from Pokemon when she says it, since Rachael Lillis voiced both girls.
**** Because of the rather stiff and careful (almost rhythmic) delivery the actors were directed to use, there are lots of moments of narm in the dub. Too many to count to the point that they occur in pretty much every other scene. Watching the series with the dub is actually quite a surreal experience, and arguably magnifies the show's unique bizarre qualities.
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**** It was hilarious for Akio's voice actor (Mitsuhiro Oikawa) as well. At one point, Ikuhara reminisced in an interview about how many takes it involved for Oikawa to actually make the "Toh!" sound genuine instead of silly.
*** While {{spoiler|Akio's death}} is supposed to come off as dramatic, [https://web.archive.org/web/20120726070234/http://bewareohmortalsouls.tumblr.com/post/19157571494/minty-arisato-u-ok-akio-i-would-kill-for-a some people found it extremely hilarious], as evidenced by Jesuotaku and Oancitizen's co-op review of it and the photoset linked here.
* [[Narm Charm]]: The [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLQY9r1VPcM opening] for the ''Utena'' Sega Saturn game. Some may want some [[Brain Bleach]] for it, though.
* [[Non Sequitur Scene]]: The ''[[Monty Python]]''-esque "Nanami Cow" segment in [[The Movie]].
** A lot of the shadow plays in the series.
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** [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap]]: Many end up [[Jerkass Woobie|pitying Nanami too much]] to hate her anymore by episodes 31 and 32.
* [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped]]:
** Strictly defined gender roles are crap. Those who believe they can do something should not let societal norms stop you. Also, you don't have to be imprisoned by your family; if they bring you down, and you can't help them, well, better save yourself.
** Abuse isn't always apparent or easy to identify. Also you often can't rescue someone from an abusive relationship-... they have to do it themselves.
** Don't hate on women, and double if you're a woman yourself. Because a woman who hates other women '''will never be able to love herself'''.
* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]:
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** Movie!Anthy's redesign has also gotten some flack, including accusations of whitewashing due to the changes in her hair and skintone (though she's still clearly not white or Japanese; her slightly paler skin is an unfortunate side effect of the altered color palette, and her straight hair contrasts with movie!Utena's wavy hair as an indication of their subtle role reversal).
** Though the issues surrounding her skin might lie more on the fact that a clearly darker skinned character—in the series—being lightened quite a few shades more to fit a type of palette insinuates the fact that dark skin couldn't fit the color scheme of the movie and for many, finding dark skinned women characters shown in a positive light in media is already difficult is as, making the flack pretty understandable.
** The movie itself gets this, too. While there are plenty of legitimate criticisms, a lot of reasons for ''Utena'' fans hating it can be summed up as "it's not a carbon copy of the series"."
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: The dark-skinned girl is the resident [[Butt Monkey]] and is usually in a subservient position to the other characters. Not only that but she is also sought after almost as an object by the members of the Student Council. Similarly, most of the male characters act towards the female characters in ways that would never, ever be acceptable or appropriate in real life. Of course, knowing Ikuhara and his love of [[Deconstruction]], this was entirely deliberate.
* [[Values Dissonance]]:
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** Oh, ''Anthy''.
** Oh, '''''Kanae'''''.
** Wakaba's {{spoiler|Black Rose duel}} Just... Wakaba's {{spoiler|duel}}.
** Oh, ''everyone''.
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