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* It's really hard to imagine any real mother turning her back on her child like that, and Bay does appear to consider herself a real mom.
** No kidding. Just check out Bay's reaction when she learned Honey was talking to the Auction Guy back when she believed he'd deliberately gotten her drunk for immoral purposes. Pure, undiluted MOM!
* Yes but... having Bay admit that would pretty much kill all the drama provided by the [[MandysFirst Law of Anime Gender Bending]], wouldn't it?
** It would also end up being a subversion of common [[Gender Bender]] clichés though. By the looks of it, Bay is already pretty close to fully 'giving in'. Either way, this would probably not happen for a long while.
* With Bay's [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-12-21.png recent behavior over a kiss], it seems more likely that she has never had a child and that Brady / Honey is yet to be born, given that both Brady and Honey are (supposedly) from the future. The deck is pretty much stacked against Bay ever 'going back', but eventually she won't want to.
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** Crystal might react similarly if Bay was her grandmother.
 
As for having British nationality, for the first two cases it can simply be explained by Bay or Honey being there when they gave birth. For the last one, [[BellisariosBellisario's Maxim|Honey just made it up for some reason]].
 
d) Crystal is the future daughter of Berry, the blond version of Bay living in Ottawa. Thanks to the events of Timey-Wimey, Bay is now blonde. In the original Fanfic, Bay got pregnant because she was possessed by a very promiscuous Youma named Berry. It sure didn't take her long to jump Travis' bones. Maybe blonde Bay decided to give it up as a bad job and go home. Or perhaps she's still trying to [[Set Right What Once Went Wrong]] and got side tracked.
 
== Bay deliberately lied to Honey about her origin. ==
In several comics, Honey seems to assume that she hasn't been conceived yet and wants to find a good guy for her mom. The flashback events of Story 7, however, proved that this isn't the case and that she is very likely the product of rape. Honey seemingly doesn't know about Brady's existence either (or that she was pregnant, but due to the [[Timey -Wimey Ball]] only gave birth in alternate timelines). Bay isn't keen to tell her since in her mind it would probably destroy Honey. The Bay from Honey's timeline must have never told her anything either, being too ashamed.
 
== Bay has or will have more children besides Honey and Brady. ==
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== [[Dead Fic|The story will never complete]]. ==
The comic has all but come to a grinding halt, and is at the [[Series Hiatus]] phase of the [[Dead Fic]] scale, verging on the vague assurances of not giving up.
* Looking less and less likely at the moment now that CD is back from Afghanistan.
 
== Berry (the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa) is also from the future and was sent back to [[Set Right What Once Went Wrong]]. ==
 
== Berry is actually possessing the alternate blond version of Bay living in Ottawa. ==
Berry possessed Bay in the original fanfic. She [[Really Gets Around]] (note how fast she got Travis into bed) and was responsible for Bay's pregnancy in the original story.
 
== The Auction Guy actually is Honey's father. ==
Both he and Bay were too drunk to remember hooking up, but not so drunk that they didn't conceive a subconscious attraction to each other (as well as a child.)
 
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* The fanfic depicts her as taking actions which she knows will alter the future (the scouts were in danger and she just couldn't help herself).
* If this is so, then she is the ''first'' Brady. In her timeline there would have been no adult Honey who ever went back in time, which would have made that Bay's (and Brady's) lives very different. Despite this, both versions of herself still '''must''' have the same origin, which has not yet been revealed.
** CD Rudd [http://community.910cmx.com/index.php?showtopic=5641&view=findpost&p=226113 states it as fact]{{Dead link}} that Honey is from an alternate future. Yet, since Honey and Brady are one and the same and obviously would have the same origin, and Brady is shown to have been with Bay ''before'' Honey came back in time, Brady may also be from the future (''not'' the same as Honey's) as well... meaning that both of their existences could be part of a [[Stable Time Loop]].
*** Remember the [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-08-17.png "plan"?] Perhaps it doesn't matter that Bay never got pregnant in this reality because they intended all along to snatch Honey from an alternate future in which she did.
* Bay did get pregnant, she just never got the chance to give birth, due to the paradox perpetrated by the studio when they snatched Brady.
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Bay says in [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-02-15.pngthis comic] that "Honey can't wake up in a body over half her normal age", meaning that Brady is roughly 7 or 8 years old (since Honey is listed to be 18 in the cast page). She is also shown to be of the age to [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-07-02.png go to school], making Bay's statement a fact. Considering Bay's own age, the amount of time that Bay worked at the SailorSun.com studio and her change from Brad, it does '''not''' add up in the slightest. She might have been pulled back in time or created somehow using Bay's DNA and / or Helix, and the latter could explain why Honey seemingly doesn't have a father.
* The recent introduction of the time portal certainly supports the 'snatched from the future' hypothesis.
** Of course "over half her normal age" is a fairly odd turn of phrase given Brady's apparent age and the overall situation. "Barely half her normal age" sounds more likely. Or Bay could have meant to say "under half her normal age". The authors (lack of) command of the English language makes such a misstatement entirely plausible.
*** Fanfic again: Bay was the same age as the other scouts in the fanfic, meaning she was only 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Brady/Honey. Bay's age is is given as 20 now, giving Brady plenty of time to achieve the age she is now the old-fashioned way.
* Now seemingly proven that Brady is indeed also from the future, as mentioned on [http://wiki.sailorsun.org/doku.php?id=honey_smith Honey's bio]{{Dead link}} that Honey was the 'second attempt'.
** And [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2010-01-08.png this].
 
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Looking through the flashback comics, it appears that at the time of Robyn's exams neither Brady or Honey were around. Given that she probably left the studio shortly after the bar incident, it's likely that her character was then just written into the fanfic without an actual actor (like the original Senshi presumably were). Since there was nobody at Bay's apartment the night Robyn slept outside, Brady was not present (she either wasn't there yet or this was not long after Bay sent her to live with Heather, her origin is still a mystery). Some time after this, Honey then came from the future with Ams.
* Supported by the recent revelation that Bay didn't start experiencing morning sickness until after Robyn left the studio.
** Doubly supported since we now know that Brady and Honey weren't snatched from the future until after Robyn left.
 
=== [[Jossed|Disproven Theories]]: ===
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== Heather is a clone of Bay. ==
In a [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-03-03.png comic] we see Brady talking to another Bay, and in this comic we see [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2008-06-23.png Bay phone 'Heather']. I think this Heather is a clone of Bay.
* According to the [https://web.archive.org/web/20081121205150/http://sailorsun.sailorsun.org/Bios.htm fanfic cast page], she is in fact Brad's fraternal twin sister (who Bay is now an identical twin of, making '''Bay''' the clone). Bay's profile page on the main site also confirms this, stating outright that she has a sister.
** It gets even better: The Fanfic cast page states that Heather is was [[Separated Atat Birth|kidnapped at birth]] and raised in NY by adoptive parents. Of course, this may run aground on the "What is "real" in the fanfic" problem.
*** On the other hand, the adopted parents bit ''would'' explain why Bay tells her sister that Brady needs to be sent to "[her] parents" in Buffalo as opposed to "our parents".
 
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* Another indication could be the fact that Robyn and the Auction Guy have yet to appear together, even in donation images.
* Or, the Auction Guy is in fact an [[Opposite SexGender Clone]] of Robyn, or a [[Gender Bender]] version of her pulled from an alternate near-future, which would mean there'd be ''two'' versions of Robyn in the present just as there are two versions of Honey.
** In the latter case, it is also possible (though very unlikely) that the '''original''' Robyn was experimented on by Chris and turned male, so he pulled an unaffected version of Robyn from an alternate future to try and cover up his mistake. That Robyn could in all likelihood be several years older (at least) and resent Bay and the studio for taking her life away and / or what was done to her counterpart, making her later leave in disgust and anger. The Auction Guy, meanwhile, would likely be just as hurt (if not more) at being trapped in the opposite sex, and would be afraid to see Bay. But then some time later as he settled down into his life, he saw her one night at the [[Bachelor Auction|Bachelorette Auction]] he went to and decided to get to know her again, not knowing that he'd soon also fall in love. He and Robyn keep in touch, being sort-of siblings, and wants to try and heal the rift between her and Bay ''and'' reveal his identity to the latter at the same time.
** Proven once and for all not to be true by [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-11-02.png this comic].
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== The Auction Guy is / will be Honey's father. ==
Come on. Bay is smitten and loves him despite trying to convince herself that she's not. Unless Honey / Brady is a clone or created by <s>magic</s> [[For Science!|science]], or not Bay's real daughter at all (which would be quite the major [[Ass Pull]] by CD Rudd), there's no other possibility.
* If this is true, then [[Disappeared Dad|something probably happened to him]] in Honey's timeline before she was born. Even so, it's very doubtful that Bay would never tell her daughter about her father, so Honey's memories must have been [[Laser -Guided Amnesia|altered in some way]] for her to have no idea about who he is.
** In the fanfic Bay had no idea who Honey's father is because her body was being possessed by the very promiscuous Berry at the time (meaning that there were literally dozens of potential candidates). While this could just be laziness on the part of the studio (it conveniently allows them to [[Retcon]] it anyway they want to) maybe Bay ''just doesn't know.''
** Seemingly proven to definitely be false by [http://sailorsun.org/comics/2009-12-04.png this comic].
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Some day, Brady will be born in New York and once she reaches a certain age, pulled back in time to start the entire [[Stable Time Loop]] (but her two older selves would still remain in the present). Honey indeed does come from an alternate future (where Honey was never pulled from the future) but is still reliant on all these events to even exist.
 
The only way that the scenario / theory given by some comics (that Bay was pregnant with Brady) can work is if Chris later decided to somehow set the machine to an alternate timeline where Bay actually gave birth (which would mean she somehow ended up in New York at that time), and snatched Honey when she was roughly eighteen years old. This doesn't explain why Honey has Ams, unless Bay picked him up at the exact same time and day as Brady did in the normal timeline ''and'' gave him the same name (Teri probably decided to go by Ams when he was older the same as Brady decided to use her middle name of Honey). It also makes no sense and is quite a stretch, because if Chris later wanted an older Brady he'd just open a portal to the future and snatch her. There's no reason whatsoever for setting the machine to an alternate universe where Bay gave birth (if this is even possible), unless there's an [[Timey -Wimey Ball|overly-complicated, contrived reason]].
 
* You're thinking about this way too much and seem to have overlooked a much simpler, easier, and more rational explanation: Chris likely has no idea how the time portal really works and is simply using it to randomly troll the future(s) for daughters of Bay. In other words, he's just snatching the first person the portal can locate for him and has no idea where or when in the future they're actually coming from. As for whether or not the portal merely accesses "the future" instead of "all possible futures", the source for that little tidbit of information was... Chris himself! He's hardly the most reliable source, since it's clear that he has no idea what he's messing with (and an idiot).
** To the above Troper: You're most likely correct, given that there's also a (possibly canon) bonus / donation comic where ''another'' Honey comes to the present from yet another alternate future. Also, CD Rudd hasn't exactly been well known for storylines in the past... what you see is what you get, and the [[Viewers Areare Morons|most obvious answer is almost always the right one]]. I just don't like how smoothed over and little is thought of the apparent fact that Bay was ''date-raped'', and have looked for as many inconsistencies and plot-holes with that theory as possible (this WMG).
** Completely quashed by [http://community.910cmx.com/index.php?showtopic=7424&view=findpost&p=315685 CD Rudd]{{Dead link}}. The origin story is completely correct with nothing (apparently) hidden. This should have been expected due to the [[Viewers Are Goldfish|clear explanation about paradoxes one comic before Brady's appearance]].
 
== Honey knows that Bay was Brad. ==
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* Bay's amnesia appears to have been cured by the shock of discovering her grandfather's grave.
 
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