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* [[Friendly Fandoms]]: There's a good amount of fandom overlap with ''[[Fire Emblem]]'' for their tough as nails, yet satisfying gameplay and simple yet dark stories. This was helped further after the announcement of the crossover between the two series. And even after the back-draft that resulted from the full reveal of the crossover game, the friendliness between the fanbases endured, perhaps even stronger than ever.
* [[Ho Yay]]: Meet ''Persona''. Hell, meet ''Nocturne''. If it's ''[[Mega Ten]]'', there's porn of it. Usually in this variety.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: "Shin Megami Tensei NINE is a psychological horror game about a guy who gets attacked by a giant angry scrotum at a [[Taylor Swift]] concert, and then spends several months facing horrific hallucinations from the resulting PTSD". A bizarre copypasta, which references the fact that, thanks to being Japan-only and being released only on XBOX and therefore having poor sales, SMT Nine is basically an enigma for the english fanbase and could be anything.
* [[MST3K Mantra]]: Satan is based on the Jewish view of Satan, the [[Quirky Miniboss Squad]] has the Catholic Uriel and Raphael, and {{spoiler|only a few people will be allowed into the Millennium Kingdom}} in ''[[Shin Megami Tensei II]]'', which mirrors (the Hollywood version of) Jehovah's Witness teachings. Note that Thor, Narukami and various other thunder gods [[All Myths Are True|co-exist]] and move on.
* [[My Real Daddy]]: Kazuma Kaneko and his artwork. The series just wouldn't have been the same without it. The series actually received some fire for the announcement that Masayuki Doi, who has done art/coloring/other work for Atlus games would be doing character art. Several Sentai plus other artists would be doing new demon art for ''[[Shin Megami Tensei IV]]''.
* [[Never Live It Down]]: The series has the reputation as the game where you kill God, when the truth is only a handful of games did that.
* [[Paranoia Fuel]]: An integral part of many of the ''[[Persona]]'' games.
* [[The Scrappy]]: A LOT of fans hate whoever is on the side of Law in each game that has a Law-Neutral-Chaos axis, such as the Messians in ''[[Shin Megami Tensei I]]'' and ''[[Shin Megami Tensei II|II]]'', Amane in ''[[Devil Survivor]]'', and {{spoiler|Zelenin and the Three Wise Men}} in ''[[Strange Journey]]''. You'll see a lot of people rooting for Neutral and Chaos, and rarely anyone who likes Law. For that matter, [[Internet Backdraft|forget about saying that you like Law.]].
* [[Sequel Displacement]] - Before [[Shin Megami Tensei]], there were two games for the Famicom called Megami Tensei (the first was adapted from the first novel of the ''Digital Devil Story'' series of novels). Few outside of Japan have heard of them, and even in Japan the number of gamers who came of age during the 90s and 00s who've actually played those games (or read the novel) are increasingly few in number.
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* [[Sequel Displacement]] -* Before ''[[Shin Megami Tensei]]'', there were two games for the Famicom called ''Megami Tensei'' (the first was adapted from the first novel of the ''Digital Devil Story'' series of novels). Few outside of Japan have heard of them, and even in Japan the number of gamers who came of age during the 90s90's and 00s00's who've actually played those games (or read the novel) are increasingly few in number.
** ''[[Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne]]'' was not the first game released with the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' supertitle in the West. The largely forgotten ''Demi Kids'' games also had it (in small text) and predate ''Nocturne'''s release in the west by a year.
* [[That One Attack]]: Any spell with the "Megido-" prefix. It must mean [[Nintendo Hard|"fuck your life"]] in some other language.
** [[wikipedia:Mount Megiddo|In a way, it does.]] That series of spells is named for the mountain where Armageddon will supposedly be fought.
** This extends to any Almighty attack, really (the Megido are the main spells but not the only ones).
** ''Devil Survivor'' takes it [[Up to Eleven]] by adding the -dyne suffix. As if Megidolaon wasn't bad enough, {{spoiler|[[Bonus Boss]] Lucifer}} can drop Megidoladyne on the ''entire map''. And did I mention that it gets 50% more powerful with each hit?
*** Then others like ''Strange Journey'' throws fuel on the fire by planting new spells in that are of the same type. Thought Megidolaon was awesome? Add in Big Bang which is even more powerful by a good 200 points. Then we have Babylon Goblet which has a chance to charm. Good luck recovering from that. And god forbid you get the eponymous JIHAD because not only is it one of the strongest spells in the game, but it also LOWERS THEIR STATS TOO. But to be fair while you have those, you can bet your opponent has even better shit than you.
* [[That One Boss]]: [["Wake-Up Call" Boss|Matador]] and Mot in ''Nocturne'', the golden metal trio in ''[[Persona 2]]'', Intrepid Knight in ''[[Persona 3]]'', anyone in ''Digital Devil Saga'' with the second boss theme and probably a few more. Of course, if you don't use all of the options that are available to you like ailment inducing ammo, buff and debuff skills, buff and debuff cancelling skill, healing skills, elemental and ailments immunity to at least some of the bosses attacks, then expect lot of bosses to suddenly turn into [[Nintendo Hard]] [[That One Boss]]. You know what, let's just tell you we have [[That One Boss/Atlus|ThatOneBossOther Games/Atlus]] (where ''Shin Megami Tensei'' makes up most of the article) and leave it at that.
* [[Uncanny Valley]] -: Part of the series' aesthetic. While it remains distinctly [[Manga]], the characters tend to share the same grayish skin color and nearly all share the distinctive eye design.
** This was noticeably absent in ''[[Devil Survivor]]'' and the later installments of the ''Persona'' series, both of which used a more manga, cartoony style, that severely contrasted with all the [[Nightmare Fuel]] of the game.
*** Both of those series had different character designers for the human characters, while keeping Kazuma Kaneko's demon/persona designs. Kaneko is responsible for the human character designs in all the main series ''Shin Megami Tensei'' games, as well as DDS''Digital Devil Saga'' and the Raidou games.
* [[Ugly Cute]]: Some of the demons that aren't [[Our Monsters Are Different|mind-bogglingly strange]] or [[Stripperific]] demon babes could arguably qualify. Decarabia and Yatsufusa are some examples.
* [[Values Dissonance]] -: The ratings for each game vary greatly by the region. ''Nocturne'' (''[[Market-Based Title|Lucifers Call]]'') and vanilla ''Persona 3'' have significant gaps between the PEGI (12+ ) and ESRB (17+ ) rating alone.
** ''Nocturne'' even got an A in Japan, which basically means suitable for everyone. Note that this game is considerably more difficult than the already difficult ''[[Digital Devil Saga]]'' and ''Persona'' sub-series, you get turned into a demon by having a snake-like parasite get ''dropped into your eye'' '''in first-person perspective''' and , {{spoiler|you can become the literal [[The Antichrist|anti-Christ]] as you ''become the new General for the legions of Hell/Darkness to wage war against [[God]]''}}.
** Many speculate that the only reason many of the games—even the less violent ones such as ''[[Persona 3]]'' and ''[[Persona 4|4]]''—have M-ratings in the United States is because of [[Gag Penis|Mara]], who is absent in ''[[Devil Survivor]]'' games, one of the few series in the franchise to carry a T-rating.
* [[Visual Effects of Awesome]] -: Some of the designs for demons are truly awesome (which is why they can be downright [[Nightmare Fuel|terrifying]]). For example, [http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Beelzebub Beelzebub].
 
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