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** ''[[Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep/Headscratchers|Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep]]''
** ''[[Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories/Headscratchers|Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories]]''
** ''[[Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days
** ''[[Kingdom Hearts II/Headscratchers|Kingdom Hearts II]]''
** ''[[Kingdom Hearts coded/Headscratchers|Kingdom Hearts coded]]''
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** ''[[Kingdom Hearts/Headscratchers Three/Headscratchers|Kingdom Hearts]]''
* I've never played this before, and I asked some friends of mine who did about it, and, I have to ask, do the later games really eschew the Disney elements to the point that they're just [[Final Fantasy]] [[My Friends and Zoidberg|with]] [[Mickey Mouse]] shoehorned in? That's what they said happened, and it kinda tarnishes the novel idea of a Disney/FF crossover if one overtakes the other.
** That is the main reason this troper has avoided the games like the plague.
** On a related note, I asked and they said none of the characters from the games before [[Final Fantasy VII]] show up. Why?
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** RE: "the Heartless and Nobodies are named the ''opposite'' of what they really are", notice how many entries on this page are derived from that. Wasn't it absolutely clear that the Heartless were defined as "beings with no hearts" in the first game? Why change it completely just to complicate the plot and confuse the hell out of everyone?
*** Remember: {{spoiler|The original concept of Heartless, the darkness in hearts of living beings given shape and form by a "natural" process, corresponds to the "pureblood" heartless such as shadows and darkballs, which don't release hearts when defeated. You're talking about the Emblem (Artificial) heartless who DO release a captive heart when destroyed. Those heartless were created by machines that forcefully reproduced the process of a heart being consumed. A Nobody comes to existence when someone's heart is consumed and creates a pureblood heartless. It is assumed that Artificial/Emblem heartless have nothing to do with this process}}.
*** I don't think so. Shadow heartless and some other, who are considered "pureblood" DO release hearts, when destroyed. I think, that a heartless is in fact... well... Imagine a berry. The berry itself is the heart and the juice is the darkness inside it. When the berry (heart) gets damaged, the juice (darkness) flows out and covers it. Congratulations, you just turned the berry into a heartless! OK, what I am trying to say, is, that the Heartless ARE materialized darkness and the hearts, they were produced from, are kind of broken, since the darkness completely corrupted them. They can't use them, so they are "heartless".
**** Mmm, Heartlessberry smoothies...
*** Irrelevant, but that comment and the one that spawned it has me [[Crowning Moment of Funny|rolling on my ass with laughter]].
*** As far as I know, the name "Heartless" is more of a metaphor than anything. They ''have'' hearts, they just can't really use them. Like, if you called a person heartless, you'd be saying they were cruel, but not actually that they literally had no heart. It's the same with the Heartless. A quote by Luxord mentioned earlier says that when a Heartless is destroyed, it releases a captive heart. The captive heart is the Heartless's original heart. Heartless are simply hearts corrupted by darkness and turned into monsters. When Sora or another Keyblade wielder kills a Heartless, the heart is released from the darkness and goes to Kingdom Hearts. So yes, the Heartless have hearts. Nobodies, on the other hand, are the body and mind that were left behind when the Heartless was created. Does this explain it?
**** ...Can someone in the fandom summarize all this for the newbie here? I'm confused...
***** To Sum Up: In the [[Kingdom Hearts]] universe, all living creatures consist of three parts, the physical body, the soul, and the heart (not to be confused with the actual blood-pumping heart). Every heart has within it a small spark of Darkness (supernatural evil) which is what gives that person the capacity to do evil, similar to original sin in Christianity. This spark can be stimulated to grow in a number of ways, including feeling intense negative emotion, using dark magic, having dark magic used on you, and being bitten by a Heartless. When the darkness in a heart grows great enough, the heart detaches from the body and becomes a monster called a Heartless, which is composed of the wrecked heart and a large field of dark energy. The body and soul left behind will then either die or become a different type of monster known as a Nobody. The exact functions of the Heart and Soul are unclear. The heart is known to serve a role in memory and emotion, especially the emotional bonds between individuals. How this interacts with the physical brain's capacity for those functions is unclear. The soul has almost no known defined functions. There are at least two incidents (Xehanort and Sora) where a Heartless displays the full range of Human cognitive functions - what this means is anyone's guess. This is all in my understanding of course.
** Xehanort's and Sora's Heartless retained full range of human cognitive functions because both willingly became Heartless. Also, I believe the Ansem Reports in the sequel say that the soul serves the purpose of animating the body and giving it life, while the heart is the spiritual center of the person. Someone's soul leaving their body kills them, but somebody's heart leaving them allows them to stay alive... but not quite human.
*** Actually the reason for that control is that they both had 2 hearts inside them when they became Heartless. The heart that was released was the one that belonged to the body, Terra and Sora's hearts in these cases. The Hearts that remained became the Nobodies Xemnas and Roxas, but as they were foreign hearts, they had no memories. Also of note is that all human Nobodies had their hearts taken via keyblade as has been releaved in recent trailers for the upcoming KH game.
** I always thought that since the Heartless were hearts, the released hearts were them.
** Heartless come when a heart is consumed by darkness. They ARE hearts turned into black holes. Hearts can't have hearts.
* In Kingdom Hearts 1, in Agrabah, Aladdin could just wish the Heartless away and make everything go back to normal, but he uses the wish to free Genie. But why didn't he just hand the lamp to Sora, let him wish them away, plus wish for two more things he wanted (that boat to get finished, for example), then just take it back and set Genie free? It can be explained away in the movie by him not really having anyone to trust with it, but Sora had just easily proved himself a trustworthy ally.
** Same reason Aladdin doesn't hand the lamp over to Jasmine or the Sultan at the end of the movie: it's the principle of the thing. Aladdin's made such a big deal about how Genie has become his best friend and he shouldn't be forced to grant any more wishes, he's finally on his last wish, and suddenly Genie has to dole out three (or six, or nine) more wishes before he can be freed -- kind of a dick move on Aladdin's part. It may not be the most practical thing to do, but it's certainly the right thing.
** In-Game Reason: It actually wouldn't do much good. Genie's power does have its limits, so we have no idea if he could actually destroy all of the Heartless. Eventually, more of them would probably just appear anyway. Not to mention the fact that the Disney villains are still out there and know about Heartless and other worlds, and getting to the sentient ones like "Ansem" might fall under the no-killing rule. (He may not be human, be he's just as smart as one, and Jafar couldn't kill Iago in the second movie.) There are also issues of where Riku and Kairi are, not to mention the fact that even if Sora doesn't know about them at the time, Organization XIII is still out there, and nobody's safe. Also, it may be a violation of the no meddling with other worlds rule.
** Out of Game Reason: From a story standpoint, it would be a really bad idea for any Disney characters not created by Walt himself to be monumentally important to the plot, because it would make everything even more complicated than it already is. All of the Disney characters without direct ties to the Mickey Mouse franchise are there to serve as minor characters in the universe, and guest-stars in their individual levels. Summons are fine, since they're just a gameplay element, and the only effect we see them having on the story is certain characters being familiar with Sora despite never going to their worlds (like Simba and Mushu). It would be like Tarzan becoming a permanent companion throughout the worlds. Having Genie magically fix everything wouldn't just be a boring way to end the story, but it would ruin the effect of limiting the involvement of the Disney movie characters in the plot, which works very well to establish the game as its own entity and not some random cash-grab with a bunch of popular cartoon characters in it.
* Why wasn't Ariel, from ''The Little Mermaid'' a Princess of Heart? You'd think Disney would want said princesses to be all six of the "Disney Princesses". And why was she replaced by ''Alice'' of all people?
** Because she'd need to be kept in a really big fish bowl at Hollow Bastion.
*** Plus, prior contact with Humans would mess up the dynamic of her own story. Remember, she never knew Sora was a human.
**** Don't forget, Square would have had to get rid of a party member by having Ariel get taken. Plus, how would she be captured? Donald's magic was the only reason they could breathe in Atlantica.
** There's actually a very good reason why Ariel couldn't be used, regardless of whether or not she makes more sense from the perspective of marketing -- Princesses of Heart have no darkness in their hearts. Ariel made a [[Deal with the Devil]]. Those two things, generally speaking, don't go together.
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* Why hasn't Gaston appeared yet?
** Because this isn't 4chan.
*** What does 4chan have to do with Gaston? And in any case I ask why Gaston hasn't appeared yet because he was the villain in one of the most famous Disney movies.
**** Gaston is a minor meme on 4chan. He's considered a [[Chuck Norris]] wannabe/[[Furry Fandom|furry slayer]].
**** Because he was replaced by [[Blow You Away|Xaldin]] as the antagonist in the Beast's story, and there's really no other role ''for'' him.
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********* Lazy programmers. Destructible objects are a real bitch. Besides, that would be the only cool thing about his fight. Clayton had a modern rifle, but barring an anachronism by Maleficent handing it off to Gaston, he'll be stuck with a musket.
********** Most significantly, adding Gaston to the Beast/Belle storyline would bring in the personal dynamics that defined Gaston in the film -- that is, the fact that it's clearly implied that Belle's relationship is what drove him to action against the Beast. This plot had already been explored enough times, so emphasizing the primary plot of the film (the one centered around the rose) kept the writing down to a level balanced with other worlds.
*********** It's already been alluded to that Nomura wanted to avoid similar worlds. Tarzan replaced Junglebook, since two jungle-based worlds might have been dull. As Gaston and Clayton are basically built off the same template, it would make sense that Clayton's inclusion made Gaston superfluous.
************ They should have ditched Tarzan and used both Junglebook and Gaston. Nobody can truly replace Gaston.
* What was the voice that Sora heard at the end of Kingdom Hearts one? (The one that was reassuring him that he has the "mightiest weapon of all")
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*** I always figured it was the Light. The Darkness has that volcano-dwelling Satan figure as a potential head-honcho (too bad "Ansem" completely overshadows him), so why WOULDN'T the Light have its own headman? Especially as, apparently, Darkness = unthinking monsterhood, and Light = individual sentience and identity.
**** The Satan figure was another import from Disney: [[Fantasia|Chernabog]].
** Some say, it's the keyblade itself, since it has chosen him as worthy enough to carry it.
** It's confirmed to be Mickey in the Ultimania for KH1.
*** It's Mickey Mouse? It sounds ''nothing'' like Mickey! What the hell, Disney.
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***** [[Fridge Brilliance]]: Mickey isn't talking to Sora personally, but rather to the Keyblade wielder whose name he does not know, but who he knows must be out there. This plays into the theory that the Kingdom Keys are the two halves of the X-blade.
* In Deep Jungle, Sora gets shown a slide of a castle and remarks that it looks familiar to him, even though he's never been outside of Destiny Islands before. Two games later and we haven't seen a structure remotely like it yet. Was it a stray plot hook that just got forgotten?
** It was {{spoiler|Kairi's heart recognizing the basic shapes of her original home, Hollow Bastion. Not an exact match, no, but they are both castles}}.
* Why is the Keyblade able to cut through buildings in ''normal gameplay'', yet unable to cut through a measly Shadow in less than three strikes? Personally, my friends and I decided that it was [[Schrodingers Cat|Schrodinger's]] sword -- It exists as both an impossibly sharp blade and a giant key at the same time, and it's state can only be defined when it is in the action of cutting something. Or ineffectually bludgeoning something, as the case often is.
** [[Gameplay and Story Segregation|Because that would make for a rather boring game]].
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*** Or you're just overthinking it so it can fit into your particular pet theory.
**** Does that make me more incorrect then the previous theory? Or, for that matter, more correct? I was just stating an option and my opinion. Take it or leave it.
** If Kairi is the "light" and Riku is the "Dark" does that make Sora the "Twilight"?
*** No.
*** Maybe.
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*** There are actually two different twilights during a day: Dawn, where darkness shifts to light, and Dusk, where light shifts to darkness.
*** In my theory, I believe the concept from the troper above. Kairi is of course Light, Riku is Dusk and Sora is Dawn. Reason? Sora cannot be Dark because of the Keyblade and {{spoiler|Ventus. Because of what happened before [[Bb S]], he became a person of pure light while Venitas became the personification of his darkness}}. Riku is Dusk because he was chosen by {{spoiler|Terra to succeed in using the Keyblade}} but derailed from this path of Light into the Darkness. Who is Dark, I cannot tell you because I don't know myself.
** ''[[Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days
* A friend of mine thinks that [[Square Enix]] needs to stop making Kingdom Hearts games. When I expressed my disagreement, he explained that each installment just muddies up the story making it more and more confusing (never mind the fact that said friend is a huge [[Star Wars]] fan, need I say more about their confusing storyline?), he also doesn't like that they keep adding [[Final Fantasy]] characters and [[Retcon|retconning]] their back-stories to fit in the KH storyline. When I told him that [[Kingdom Hearts]] is a different continuity from the [[Final Fantasy]] games and that none of the interactions between FF and [[Disney]] characters is meant to be [[Canon]] to their respective stories, he dismissed it as me being the only one to say that. The problem is that I say that because I remember reading it somewhere on the [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki Kingdom Hearts Wiki]. Can anyone else back me up on this?
** You are indeed correct. Perhaps you could direct your friend in the direction of the wiki?
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