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Not all [[Good Old Ways]] are entirely good; the characters may concede their faults but point out that only their virtues have been lost, as when a violent and courageous race loses their courage but not their taste for violence. [[Even Evil Has Standards]] can be a form of [[Good Old Ways]].
 
May overlap with [[Good Is Old -Fashioned]], with villains and other characters taunting him as old-fashioned, but this is when the writer uses the shorthand, or the character himself, and those who admire him. Note that being uniformly old-fashioned is not necessary; the character can pick and chose the best of both eras, as long as those characters he is contrasted to reject the best of old times as old-fashioned.
 
The [[Noble Savage]] and the [[Arcadia|Arcadians]] run on this trope. [[Ludd Was Right]] is a subtrope. [[Sacred Hospitality]] often invokes this.
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It's similar to [[Disco Dan]], in that both involve someone longing for a "simpler," or "better time." The main difference, though is that [[Good Old Ways]] tends to have more to do with traditions, values, and high culture, whereas [[Disco Dan]] has more to do with pop culture. The two can and sometimes do overlap, however.
 
Contrast [[Man of Wealth and Taste]]. Compare [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]; [[Nostalgia Filter]]; and all of their related tropes.
{{examples|Examples}}
== Anime ==
* Played with in [[Samurai Champloo]] -- set in medieval Japan, most characters behave like it's modern day, which is the whole premise of the show. Jin, the one character who acts appropriate to the age, is remarked upon as being "old fashioned."
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== [[Film]] ==
* ''[[I Robot (Film)|I Robot]]'': Detective Spooner is portrayed as 'old fashioned' because he wears [[Product Placement|Converse]] and has a non-voice-activated entertainment system. His [[The Obi -Wan|mentor]] lives in a very old-school [[Big Fancy House]]. {{spoiler|In contrast, the villain is a highly futuristic-looking [[AI Is a Crapshoot|AI]].}}
** Also subverted in that {{spoiler|the other hero of the story is ''also'' a highly futuristic-looking piece of technology.}}
* ''[[Star Wars]]'': Invoked by Obi-Wan in the quote above.
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* In [[Graham McNeill]]'s [[Warhammer 40000]] [[Ultramarines (Literature)|Ultramarines]] novel ''The Warriors of Ultramar'', the [[Space Marine|Space Marines]] have a weapon to deal with the tyrannid queen itself, but they explicitly say they must get to her "the old-fashioned way" -- "with flesh, blood and steel."
* In [[Ben Counter]]'s [[Warhammer 40000]] [[Horus Heresy]] novel ''Galaxy In Flames'', this is the core of Keeler's appeal to Qruze "the half-heard". She repeatedly tells him that he is the only one who remembers the ideals of the Astartes. {{spoiler|When he kills Maggard to allow their escape, he is heartened because he killed him face to face, not with treachery, from far away, and tells how they used to fight that way, respecting their enemies.}}
{{quote| ''I also know that [[Good Is Old -Fashioned|your counsel is not heard because yours is the voice of a past age]], when the Great Crusade was a noble thing, not for gain, but for the good of all humankind.''}}
** Then, when Horus addresses the iterators, he declares the ideals of the Crusade are dead, but he will restore them, bringing it back to its rightful path. {{spoiler|For which, he doesn't need them, so he stages a massacre.}}
** In [[James Swallow]]'s ''The Flight of the Eisenstein'', [[Old Retainer|Kaleb]] explicitly thinks of how he has seen the old ways of the Death Guard fade. His master Garro prizes his sword partly for its age (and is [[Good Is Old -Fashioned|scorned]] for [[Old Retainer|keeping a human retainer]], which smacks of sentiment).
** In [[Graham McNeill]]'s ''Fulgrim'', Vespanian watches his companies slide into decadent arrogance, and few companies held to the ideals that founded the legion. {{spoiler|Then he learns that Fulgrim tried a [[Uriah Gambit]] on Captain Demeter, and Fulgrim murders him.}}
* In [[Edgar Rice Burroughs]]'s ''[[John Carter of Mars|Chessmen of Mars]]'', the ancient I-Gos is perpetually praising his days. So thorough is his admiration that he [[Turncoat|changes his loyalties]] on realizing who is [[The Hero]].
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== [[Video Games]] ==
* Hakumen--of ''[[Blaz Blue]]''--uses archaic words and phrases ("How dare you interrupt me, [[Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe|Grimalkin]]!"), at least in the English dub. He's also polite enough to formally declare doom on most of his opponents ''before'' cutting them in half, and generally holds himself as a [[Knight in Shining Armor]], going so far as to warn all of humanity that they'll need to reform or die. {{spoiler|His status as a practitioner of the [[Good Old Ways]] is heavily subversive, though: not only is his [[Pride]] so intense it ''violates physical laws'', but he dips into [[Knight Templar]] territory often. Oh, and he's actually from the future, not the past. [[Timey -Wimey Ball|Kind of.]] }}
 
== Webcomic ==