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**** Also, some info on the Japanese VAs have arisen: [[The Other Darrin|none of them are the same!]] Now before you go into a [[Incredibly Lame Pun|berserker]] [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|fan rage]], it's still too early to talk about it, but we can find some fun in this announcement. How? Well, by the irony in that the old Japanese VA for Griffith was also the voice of Sephiroth from [[Final Fantasy VII]], while the new assigned VA also played the role of...''[[Takahiro Sakurai|Cloud Strife?]]'' Whoa. How is this going to turn out?

* [[Angst? What Angst?]]: Luca, despite the horrors she experienced, never loses her upbeat attitude. Her plucky attitude even impresses the Skull Knight.

* [[Badass Abnormal]]: A lot of fans argue that Guts isn't a normal human anymore due to the effects that the Nexus has on him. If this is the case, then congratulations, Guts. You have attained yet ''another'' badge of [[Badass|badassery.]]

* [[Base Breaker]]: You guessed it: Griffith. On one side, you have the fans that admire him because of all of the outstanding things that he has done over the course of the story. They see him as a three-dimensional and complex character [[What Is Evil?|who can't quite be called "evil"]], making the argument that his [[Lack of Empathy]] actually makes him [[Above Good and Evil]] (and come on - [[Bishonen|he's gorgeous looking!]]). But on the flip side, you have the fans that detest this guy because a lot of those actions ''were'' quite evil - [[This Is Unforgivable!|unforgivably]] [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|evil]] according to them. That, and they see him as a guy who ruined himself because he had a pissy temper tantrum for losing a battle ONCE. Again, [[Sliding Scale of Unavoidable Versus Unforgivable|the whole fanbase is split over this.]]

** Wyald, one of the Apostles, is a nasty piece of work. He's the leader of the Black Dog Knights, a band of the worst criminal scum in Midland. He was originally hired by the King of Midland to fight during the One Hundred Years War, but was banished due to his crimes against civilians. After the Band of the Hawks rescue Griffith from Midland's dungeon, he is hired again to track them down. What establishes him as a [[Complete Monster]] is after finding a family that aided the Hawks, {{spoiler|he and his army proceed to rape, torture, and murder them. Then they dismember their bodies and put them on display for the Hawks to see.}} Eventually Wyald catches up to the Hawks after either losing his men to the Hawks' ambushes or disposing of them himself. He battles Guts and knocks him unconscious and tries to rape Casca when she tries to wake him up. Fortunately, Guts wakes up and mortally wounds him {{spoiler|and also cuts off his [[Gag Penis|squicky penis]] before he can do anything to Casca}}, but he returns and tries to get Griffith to use his Crimson Behelit by threatening to kill him. He is finally killed by Zodd who intervenes on behalf of the Godhand.

** (As Femto, {{spoiler|Griffith}} is by far the worst one in the entire series, cruel even by Apostle standards. When he first appears in the third volume of the manga, he gives the Count the [[Sadistic Choice]] of sacrificing his own daughter or suffering in Hell for eternity. His very first act after being incarnated during the Eclipse is to {{spoiler|brutally rape Casca, right in front of Guts and only out of spite}}. And let's not forget how he {{spoiler|reincarnated himself as Griffith by causing the death of an infant. An infant he had turned into a hideous monster by means of the aforementioned rape.}} Oh, and he recently topped himself by {{spoiler|using the Skull Knight's dimension-warping attack to fuse the mortal and supernatural realms together, unleashing HELL ON EARTH}}.

** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYYYew8CUI "Forces"] deserves a special mention.

*** And it only gets [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ew2Vmhqn8Y better with remixes.] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQOoPpyI1o And NEWER remixes.]

** The new film trilogy's soundtracks are looking pretty promising with such tracks as [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N3WyM_Jm1E "Blood and Guts"], which perfectly captures the tragic essence of Guts' character.

* [[Die for Our Ship]]: A minority of fans - possibly the same minority [[Draco in Leather Pants|mentioned below]] - really doesn't like Casca that much, reasons varying from the fact that she's with Guts - which means she [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses|ain't a dutiful action girl anymore]] - or that she's with Guts - [[OTP|and not with Griffith]] - ''or'' that Guts is with her - [[Ho Yay|and not with Griffith]]. That's were you get a lot of bashing, ranging from downright cruel to illogical, like the "[[Internet Backdraft|Casca only had sex with Guts to cope with not being with Griffith]]" argument or the "Casca had sex with Griffith in the wagon ([[Insane Troll Logic|despite his severe physically crippling injuries]])" scenario or the {{spoiler|[[It's Not Rape If You Enjoyed It|Casca enjoyed being raped]] [[Victim Falls For Rapist|by Griffith]]}}" claim.... Yeahhhh. It gets pretty ugly. There's but two ways to resolve this: for Casca to forgive and [[Face Heel Turn|join Griffith]] if she gets cured in Elfheim, or for Casca [[Killed Off for Real|to die]] soon after getting cured in Elfheim.

** [[Sarcasm Mode|Don't you see?]] He did it all for her own good because it was what she always wanted from him! [[Victim Falls For Rapist|It was out of love!]]... does that mean there are actually women out there [[Too Kinky to Torture|who got aroused by it?]]

* [[Dork Age]]: Alot of fans don't enjoy the first three volumes. Other of us find it refreshing to read something about a protagonist with absolutely no moral compass.

* [[Ear Worm]]: The Engrish opening song from the anime, it'll stay in your head for a while, love it or hate it.

* [[Emotional Torque]]: Volume 13. This was THE turning point in the fandom where fans had to make a choice: either drop this series altogether and [[Brain Bleach|try their damnedest to forget it,]] or stick it to the end just to see how Miura was going to resolve all of this. Dare we say that if you didn't feel ''anything'' while reading volume 13, you probably just didn't get it.

** Also Judeau is liked by most fans and fondly remembered despite a small role in the series.

** Slan is the most popular member of the Godhand due to her large assets.

* [[Growing the Beard]]: From the very start of the Golden Age arc and onward.

* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: The huge, quiet, frontline-fighting, armored and hammer-wielding guy is named [[Lord of the Rings|Pippin.]]

* [[Holy Shit Quotient]]: Every time Guts swings his sword. [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|Every]] [[BFS|single]] [[Gorn|time]].

** Volume 34 is probably sixty percent double-page spreads depicting events of unbelievable scale and badassery. {{spoiler|Two-mile-tall [[Physical God]] crushing entire battalions under its foot? Check. The most powerful Apostles in the world ripping through untold thousands of [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]], backed up by virtually every human army in the known world? Check. Griffith surfing Zodd onto the head of the aforementioned god in an [[Attack Its Weak Point|attempt to kill it]]? Check. Add the Skull Knight showing up from nowhere and [[Kill Steal|taking care of the problem]] (with a stroke meant for [[Magnificent Bastard|Griffith]]) and a massive magical shockwave that consumes the entire planet and releases mythological creatures all across its surface, and you have a book that might just [[Go Mad From the Revelation|kill an unprepared reader.]]}}

* [[Puppy Love]]: Schierke, the [[Child Mage]], is sometimes shipped with Isidro, the child swordsman of Guts' Nakama.

* [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil]]: A fanbase example. Most of us especially despise {{spoiler|Griffith}} and his [[Moral Event Horizon]] because of the sole fact that he {{spoiler|horrifically raped Casca}}. Most of the fandom and Guts himself agree that [[This Is Unforgivable!|the most vile crime in the entire series]]. You know it when you see it.

** Charlotte is a close second. Being a sheltered Royal Princess and a bit of a [[Shrinking Violet]] and a [[Moe]], especially at the beginning, more than a "feminist" fangirl call her out on being "just another doormat who only exists in relation to a man and whose sole purpose is to be taken advantage of and impregnated". Nevermind that her [[Princess Classic]] characterization is depicted as not being the best thing in the world...

* [[The Scrappy]]: Puck for really vague reasons. Often it is said that his jolly personality has nothing to do in a [[Darker and Edgier]] series, or that his being naked is [[Double Standard|inconvenient for male viewers]]. Other than that, the reasons are seldom heard. Evarella also applies at a lesser level.