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** It could be because Leon and Wolf are almost always together, so it's assumed by the military that if you want to kill/capture Wolf, you would have to go through Leon first, meaning putting more money on Leon would be the same as putting more money on Wolf. So they chose to add to Wolf's bounty instead.
** In one ending of Command, Star Wolf is saving the day. Leon is excited about them getting parades and flowers.
* The changes made to the characters in ''Star Fox Command'' bug me: Bill's change from surfer dude to southern hick (same goes with Wolf, if [[Super Smash Bros.]] Brawl is to be believed), Kat's fur color change from pink to gray, Panther suddenly channeling the speech patterns of Doctor Doom, etc. Then again, that concerns me less than the fact that the creators hinted the next game will supposedly be set in the middle of ''Command'', essentially making ''half the game and all of its endings moot''.
** Tell me about it. I miss Wolf's British-ish accent. Come on, a one-eyed mercenary with a British accent! You can't lose with that!
*** My mate's wanting to poke his eardrums out at the sound of Panther in ''Brawl''; he had such a... "Garr Gay" voice to him (don't ask; it would be too hard to explain; just think if a British accent could create perpetual [[Even the Guys Want Him]] moments) in Assault, and they just ''had'' to ruin it... That reminds me of another complaint I noticed with Wolf's new accent; why is it that American voice actors seem to be obsessed with giving their characters Southern or Texan accents? Wolf has one now, Bill had one in ''Command'', they gave Johan from ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! GX]]'' one...
**** I guess it has something to do with Panther's original VA not being available.
**** Does anybody want to explain to me how Wolf's accent in ''Brawl'' counts as Texan? There's hardly any southern drawl to it in the least. Yes, it's not his British accent, but I found the accent in Brawl to somewhat fit him better.
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** To be fair, Jay Ward, Wolf's VA in Brawl (who also does Meta Knight's VA) does emulate Wolf's Assault VA pretty well... and I think Wolf's Assault VA is his best as it fits his personality. He doesn't really have a personality at all in 64, and people stereotyped his "British" voice as him having character.
** Where did that "in the middle of Command" rumor came from? The creators stated in an interview that Command is supposed to be at the end of the timeline (of course, if it gets shuffled to yet another company, who knows) and that other SF games will probably take place before it. But either way, unless the next game declares one of the endings (or a mix of it) canon, it's up to the individual to decide what the real ending is, anyway
*** [https://web.archive.org/web/20070219233238/http://ds.ign.com/articles/731/731088p2.html This interview for IGN with the developers of ''Command''] pretty much confirms that the next game will most likely be in the middle of ''Command'' (and that none of the various endings of the game are in fact canon).
**** Anyone want to place bets for when they'll finally break down and have more than one "timestream" (like the 2009 Star Trek)?
** You might as well take into account the screwy Command translation. Oh, and Panther rocks.
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*** We've been in space for like... 4 decades and only found out about Eris 5 years ago. How a species that can readily travel between planets missed it, however...
** This troper had a theory about that, which lends itself to [[Fridge Brilliance]]. Look at the chunks of planet that were hacked apart. By removing the Spellstones, General Scales successfully divided the planet, to keep the dinosaur tribes separate. Andross had found out about the Krazoa spirits, and hung around until some hero shows up to put together the planet. He catches Krystal, who can channel the power, then just has to taunt Fox with the idea of [[Rescue Romance|rescuing a hot vixen]]. Bam - he's got the dude who beat him before unknowingly working his tail off to revive him.
* Something that's bugged me since the end of [[
** I figure that she's ''always'' been able to speak English ([[Translation Convention|or whatever language it is that is spoken in the Lylat System]]), but she never did until the end because up until that point, she thought she was speaking with Dinosaurs.
*** That's one of the better headcanons I've heard for this so far. Thanks!
* Am I the only one who liked [[
** This troper will be glad to share what he didn't like about the game: the unintuitive button-mashing combat, the numerous plot holes (how did Fox know Tricky's dad had been captured, for starters), the wasted opportunities (an epic battle with Scales would have been more interesting than a remake of the previous game's final battle with Andross), the frustratingly annoying challenges (THAT GODDAMN VOLCANO LEVEL WITH THE PTERODACTYL), as well as the inescapable [[Fridge Logic]] (how do they put on their jewelry?). Don't get me wrong, the game looks really pretty, but it just seems to be missing a lot of life in it. Oh yeah, and that damn cackling bat-demon that you could never avoid no matter what.
*** Well, This Troper liked it, you big complainer you.
*** I know; I was just explaining why people found it so bad.
*** Well that's actually one of the most constructive complaints about Dinosaur Planet/Adventures I've actually read - namely for the fact that you're actually pointing out flaws of the game that are actually part of the design. For a good what, eight nine years, a good 90-100% of the criticisms I've seen of the game have been some variant of "It's not Starfox 64" or "It's a Zelda ripoff".
** Dinosaur Planet is to Star Fox what Spirits Within is to Final Fantasy, basically. Except Rare didn't basically sink into financial ruin because of it. Only Star Fox's reputation did.
*** Star Fox's reputation is fine, and you'd be hard-pressed to find any critic who finds Assault a better game than Adventures. It's just a [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]] kind of thing. The game itself is actually a fairly well done, the reviews were good, and much better than either of the two games that came after it. Also, I prefer Fox's characterization in Adventures than any other game.
** [[User:Starshine I]] loved it, but I've always been more of a puzzle game person and the Arwing levels drove me crazy, so maybe I'm not the best judge of what makes a good Star Fox game. (Although what was up with the goddamn Test of Fear? That was basically just dumb luck!)
*** No it's not, it's just insanely misleading on how to work it. This troper nearly threw her controller out the window trying to beat it, until she went for a strategy guide.
** This troper liked the game, but actually found that the Arwing and Andross additions felt tacked on. Yes, she ''knows'' they were, but she would have been fine if it were Fox doing an on-world mission with a ninja staff, as a sort of [[
** This troper agrees with the one above and wants to add that in addition, the game feels like a shell added onto another game. Heck, I liked the game overall, I thought it was actually a reasonably decent adventure game on its own merits. And I don't even mind that it was co-opted by the Star Fox universe (and in my opinion, Fox's character model in Adventures is VASTLY superior to Assault or Command - YMMV of course). But it doesn't feel connected to the Star Fox universe. It's hard to explain, but it feels like the game doesn't add any depth to the universe or characters (an ongoing problem with the series - see another JBM below). By the end of it, while I liked the game, I had the sense that [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]].
* Who the hell is Fox's dad! Seriously, the only exposition we ever get is in Star Fox 64, about how he died in battle after Pigma betrayed and shot him. All we know about his character is from Peppy, who says what a great guy he was. And we know his name, James. WHO IS HE?! If he comes back so much to help Fox in tight spots, WHY HASN'T RARE/NINTENDO GIVEN MORE BACK STORY FOR THIS GUY?!
** Sometimes, keeping it a mystery is for the best.
*** Apparently being the original commander and creator of the Star Fox team isn't good enough for some people as far as backstory goes. Also when Nintendo (or whoever they outsourced the story to) keeps playing the "is he really dead" card it tends to get confusing.
* I can understand Fox vs. Wolf and Peppy vs. Pigma, but what exactly is the story behind Falco vs. Leon and Slippy vs. Andrew?
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** To be honest, I just simply chalk up the Arwings as a case of [[You Don't Look Like You]]. I.e., it's the same Arwing each time until Command, each with a different mecha designer at the helm.
** The question was answered yet ignored. Fox pilots an Arwing MK II, but there are more than two generations of Arwings.
* What's with names like "Fox", "Falco(n)", "Wolf", and "Panther"? Their first name is the same as their species. It's like calling yourself "Human"!
** Who knows, maybe if we were just one of numerous sentient species then we'd follow that naming convention, too.
** [[Pepper Ann]] Pearson is a person.
** If I recall
** And if it's not their first name, it's their last.
** I always figured it wasn't the equivalent to naming them "Human," it's more like naming them "Guy." It doubles as a generic term, but also works just fine as a name (if an uncommon one). As for last names, again, that could be equivalent to "Smith" or "Johnson" to them. Generic but not unusual.
** Wolf is a proper first name, need I remind you that a certain 18th century [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|pianist]] went by it? As for Falco(n), odd but not unheard of to have a surname be applied to one's given name. There was a very famous [[F
*** Actually, while it may fall into another example All There in the Manual for this series, the IS some mention on the English official website for Assault the species for the members of Star Wolf. Wolf, for example, is listed as being a Canis, and Panther is listed as a Felinidea (Both names references to the genus that the real world animals they are based off originate from). While a personal theory, I assumed physical differences between, say Fox and Wolf, are just be the in-universe equivalent to humans having a variety of skin tones. And Fox IS his given name.
* I don't know a lot about dogs, but why would they change General Pepper's look in Star Fox: Assault? He doesn't even look like the same type as 64 and Adventures!
** He was supposed to be really old by Assault, hence his wrinkly look.
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*** On THAT note, how does your teammates know it was YOU specifically who shot them? Sure, the computer AI will know, but story-wise, in the heat of battle, how can Falco be so certain that it was you who accidentally shot him? He shouldn't be instantly angry at you, he should think it was the enemy.
**** That depends solely on if they can tell ''where'' the ship gets shot, and how their radar works. If it's from behind and their radars don't pick anybody else but their wingmates up, then they would come to that conclusion. And as they don't bring up Fox specifically - they just say "you" which could mean anybody - this could be seen as them only knowing that it was somebody on their team, not necessarily Fox, and calling out to everyone in order to avoid future shooting. But if there are enemies as well... you got me there.
* Is it just me, or after 64, does the series try to dance around the issue that the Star Fox team is essentially a [[Hired Guns|PMC]]? Star Fox Adventures even went so far as to call them [[Adventure Time
** [[Metal Gear|Colonel]] described them as one in [[Super Smash Bros.|Brawl]], calling them a "commando-for-hire" group.
** Even in 64, they allude to it without actually bringing it up. At the end of the game, Pepper asks Star Fox to join the Cornarian fleet but they turn him down. And after the credits, we see the bill General Pepper has to pay the Star Fox team for their efforts (If you kill a heavy number of enemies, he'll remark, "This is one tough bill, but it's worth it" and if you kill even more enemies then that, he'll let out a dumbfounded, "WHAT?!"). Assumingly Star Fox just works exclusively for Pepper or noble causes and can't be outbid to someone like Andross, making them good guys in spite of their profession (as opposed to Star Wolf, who will work for Andross but still have some sense of honor, or Pigma, who will just do anything for money).
* In 64, it is possible to enter Sector X and then enter a Warp Zone before you get to defeat the "Secret Weapon". Then it's as if they forget that big robot and just go on with their mission. It would have made sense if you atleast got a cutscene "after the end" with them getting interrupted on the journey back, and either letting the computer take care of it or you doing it.
* Wolf is a wolf. Pigma is a pigma. Leon seems to be a frog/lizard. What is Andrew supposed to be?
** He's obviously a monkey. Just because his name doesn't match his species doesn't mean anything. Krystal, General Pepper, James, etc. have nothing in their names to distinguish what animal they are either.
** Also, Leon is a Chameleon.
*** Andrew-Mandrill, maybe? Or else he and Andross have the 'andro' prefix for being humanlike..
**** Your thinking 'anthro', where as 'andro' refers to man, as in the gender.
** Andrew and his uncle Andross are both Apes. That's why the Star Fox team (Falco in particular) call Andross's soldiers "Monkeys." I read somewhere that the reason Andross has Oikenny as his last name is because he was adopted by pigs, but don't recall the source. I think a comic that was released somewhere...
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20121025064553/http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/7887/255555-andrew_oikonny1_large.jpg Take one look at his picture]. Tell me what you think ''that'' looks like?
* I'm surprised nobody else has brought this up yet but.... What is up with Andross's One Wing Angel transformation? Everything we get about him before that is that he's a [[Mad Scientist]]-slash-[[Evil Overlord]]-slash-monkey. Then.... it turns out not only is he a giant head, but also a giant brain? Normally I would just think "Well, that's a very ego-driven flagship, sort of like the kind Brainiac flies," but then Fox remarks "So, Andross, you show your true form!" Did he transform himself into a giant brain? Was Fox joking? Is there some manga that explains this? It kind of seems like the kind of thing that would pass in an old NES game without anyone blinking an eye, or even a satirical game like No More Heroes, but Star Fox is oddly rooted in realism (anthropomophic animals not withstanding). I'm just confused.
** Andross had experimented on himself so much that he became a giant brain. His head and arms were mechanical.
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** To elaborate on the above, each of the missions, regardless of path, has a specific military objective.
*** Sector Y and and the Asteroid Thicket seem to be Cornerian Airspace, and the battles there are breaking through a "blockade" of the planet, and/or destroying another Attack-fleet En-route to Corneria - Failure to complete those missions result in Corneria getting destroyed behind you.
*** [[Spell My Name
*** Aquas, Solar, and Sector X house extremely powerful Superweapons that have enough firepower to destroy the Cornerian Fleet.
*** Zoness and Macbeth are logistically critical to Andross' war effort.
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** I seem to recall ''Nintendo Power'' getting a letter asking how a falcon in a distant galaxy could possibly know who Einstein was. Weird, but might be that.
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