Suikoden: Difference between revisions

* [[Blind Seer]]: Leknaat

* [[Bodyguard Crush]]: There a number of notable examples -

** Don't forget Millay toward the hero in ''Suikoden IV''

** Lyon with the Prince in V; also, Lelei and Lucretia for the [[Les Yay]] version

* [[Chekhov's Gun]]: The Fire Spears in I

* [[Chick Magnet]]: Flik

** Percival greatly enjoys his ability to invoke this trope.

* [[Child by Rape]]: Jillia, the princess of Highland from [[Suikoden II]].

* [[Cold Sniper]]: Clive in 1 and 2, subverted with Cathari in 5

*** Jacques veers a little too far in [[Cloudcuckoolander]] territory to truly fit.

* [[Combat Medic]]: [[Suikoden II|Riou]] and [[Suikoden V|the Prince of Falena]].

* [[Fiery Redhead]]: Valeria and Tengaar from the first game.

* [[Final Death]]

** [[Suikoden I|In the first game]]:

*** [[The Hero]]: Tir

* [[Friendly Sniper]]: Cathari in ''[[Suikoden V]]''.

* [[Furo Scene]]: A series tradition. Taking the right people into the baths triggers [[Subtext]]-laden scenes, for all your [[Ho Yay]] / [[Les Yay]] / [[Hilarity Ensues|Hilarity Ensuing]] needs.

* [[Giant Space Flea From Nowhere]]: The games' final bosses sometimes tend toward this.

* [[Gotta Catch Em All]]: Have fun recruiting all the Stars of Destiny! Sadly, Suikoden II forces you to choose between characters a couple of times, and you don't have enough Listening Crystals to recruit all the available monsters.

* [[Guide Dang It]]: Many of the "Stars of Destiny" you must recruit can only be acquired through obscure or non-intuitive means, or during very narrow windows of opportunity between certain [[Event Flag|Event Flags]].

** Many of the heroes are healers or magic users over warriors, so these less lethal weapons suit their nature. The Hero in Suikoden II's rune is the Bright Shield, and his weapons are tonfa; both are meant for defense and protection.

** And then there's Georg, who seems to like both, using a western sword in 2, but wielding a katana (actually an Iai blade, which may or may not be the same thing, depending on who you ask) in 5.

** Apparently Yuber's King Crimson wasn't good enough in 2, and apparently he split it into two Katana-like swords in 3.

* [[Kick the Dog]]: Every single thing Luca Blight does.

* [[Kid Hero]]

** However, in Suikoden, your [[Kid Hero]] is aided by a cabinet of highly capable adult strategists. He's sometimes almost an inspiring figurehead, or simply their strongest warrior.

* [[Killed Off for Real]]: In tactical battles when a unit is wiped out there is a chance the characters in that unit can be killed off permanently unless you have the appropriate skill user with that group. Also, in 2, Ridley can be killed, depending on the choices you make at one point, and Kiba dies during a mission

** Roy in 5, {{spoiler|if you stubbornly choose to defend your castle instead of abandoning it.}} This is not recommended, {{spoiler|as unlike Ridley, Roy has no replacement in the 108 stars, preventing you from getting the best ending.}}

** In the first game, it's possible to kill two of Barbarossa's generals rather than recruit them. Which is bad, since both of them are stars. It doesn't help that killing the second general is ''extremely'' tempting, since {{spoiler|he killed Gremio}}.

*** Actually it's not ''that'' tempting considering that {{spoiler|it was the rune that Windy gave him that forced him to become an unwilling pawn who had no idea what he was doing, or that he had killed Gremio.}}

** In the first game, Yuber burns down the Village of the Hidden Rune because... he was bored. Damn pyromaniac Black Knights. And hey! Those fire spears look mighty useful, don't they?

** In ''Suikoden II'', Luca Blight practices a 'Scorched Earth' policy of his own: burning down two of the City-State's border villages. Viktor does something similar when he 'accidentally' leaves a bunch of the Fire Spears in the Mercenary Fort's forge. Oopsie!

** Pesmerga and Yuber only join (in their respective games) because the other person is on the other side, and only to get a chance to fight their counterpart personally; in the first game, Pesmerga specifically demands that you [[Leave Him to Me]] as part of his condition for joining.

** Played straight with the duel between Teo and Pahn in Suikoden I.

** Sonya Shulen from the first game is a great example of this.

** Chris Lightfellow, one of the main characters from ''Suikoden III'' in particular is very strong example

** [[Suikoden II]] sees this in the form of the general Kiba and tactician Klaus who love their country and pretty much takes a villain to the degree of [[The Caligula|Luca Blight]] to have them even consider.

*** Jowy's ambitions have some root in this trope, arguably pushing him into a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]]. Differs slightly as he wanted to reform it from the inside rather than just take orders.

** Troy from [[Suikoden IV]] was this to such an extent that fans complained at the lack of a [[Heel Face Turn]].

* [[Ninja]]: There are a good amount of these in this series.

* [[Non-Action Guy]]: Thomas in Suikoden III, despite beig the Tenkai Star of the game, generally lets the others in Budehuc Castle do the fightng for him. He still manages to help out all three of the main characters by letting them use the castle as a base, though.

* [[Not Quite Dead]]: In Suikoden 2, {{spoiler|Nanami is seemingly killed when she is hit by an arrow. However, if certain conditions are met by the end of the game, it's revealed that she merely faked her own death so she could go home, no longer able to bear the war her adoptive brother was fighting in. If said conditions are not met, however, she [[Killed Off for Real|stays dead]]}}

* [[Obfuscating Stupidity]]: {{spoiler|Lord Barrows}} in ''Suikoden V''

* [[108]]: 108 Stars of Destiny. 108 divided by four is 27, the number of True Runes.

* [[Official Couple]]: According to Genso Suikogaiden 2, Kasumi and Tir hook up

*** Suikoden 1 has Ronnie Bell firing off [[Kamehame Hadoken|a ball of battle energy]] -- by using the Hate Rune, which only she wields.

*** In Suikoden 1, look at Varkas and Sydonia's team attack and tell me it doesn't [[Dragonball Z|look familiar.]]

*** [[Captain Marvel|SHAZAM!!]] -Courtesy of Viki in [[Suikoden II]]

** This also gets carried over in a non-sibling relations on Mathiu's students: Shu is arrogant, doesn't have the sense of justice (at first, at least ), but brilliant, whereas Apple is more humble, willing to help people, but... not-quite-so-brilliant.

** Luc is a [[Jerkass]] for 3 games spanning nearly 20 years. He is a haughty know it all at his best and at his worst veers toward the {{spoiler|[[Well-Intentioned Extremist]]}}. His [[Separated at Birth]] identical twin brother, Sasarai is a powerful political figure and can be a bit of a [[Deadpan Snarker]], particularly when on the antagonist side, but is a bit on the naive side and reasonably likable. They don't [[Cain and Abel|particularly see eye to eye.]]

* [[Warrior Prince]]: Freyjadour Falenas, Luca Blight, etc.

* [[Who Wants to Live Forever?]]: Dealt with in III when a true rune bearer gave it, and its granted immortality, up so he could get old and die with the woman he loved. And ''so'' much Suikoden [[Fan Fiction]] deals with the main characters getting all [[Wangst|Wangsty]] because of this.

** Personality-wise, {{spoiler|Sialeeds after her [[Face Heel Turn]]}} from the same game fits this trope better, given that she doesn't pick any [[White-Haired Pretty Girl]] connotations.

* [[White-Haired Pretty Girl]]: Jeanne, though it's recolored pink in ''Suikoden V''.