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Line 1: {{work}} * [[Complete Monster]] -: Valfred who {{spoiler\|[[Ret-Gone\|RetGones]] an entire country and doesn't understand why anyone would be appalled by his doing so.}}. * [[Demonic Spider]]: Fanged Silkmoth, full stop. Being a [[Boss in Mook Clothing]] in an early-game dungeon is one thing. Spamming mass-sleep-inducing attack every turn is another. Sure, there is Darkness Knight late game that can cause mass status effect (including confusion, which is worse than sleep), but the knight is in the [[Very Definitely Final Dungeon]], so at least you're prepared. * [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] - There are a few, but {{spoiler\|when the Chronicles were stolen, ''Manaril'', of all people, managed to defeat Sophia by using her Reader powers and overloading Sophia's brain with the information from the Chronicle that she was holding.}} * [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] ~~- Arguably,~~: Tsaubern and Buchse. They are pretty popular on Japanese fanbase. Also, Luo-Tao.▼ * [[Crowning Moment of Funny]] - "Have you perhaps come to profess your undying love for me?" * [[Goddamned Bats]]: Practically everything in the [[Very Definitely Final Dungeon]]. They deal too much damage for mooks, award too little EXP, and you can't hoard their [[Vendor Trash]] drops, meaning that after a while, battling them is completely pointless. * [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]] - A few, one of them is when {{spoiler\|Nova was reunited with Sophia after the battle in Fort Arc.}} * [[Ho Yay]]: There's a lot for every subculture! ▲* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] - Arguably, Tsaubern and Buchse. They are pretty popular on Japanese fanbase. Also, Luo-Tao. ** To elaborate, there's Roberto's [[Tsundere]] tendencies, usually reserved for the main character, Jale's unquestioning loyalty and affection, also towards the main character, and Chrodechild and Fredegund's really, really close sisterly relationship. * [[Fridge Logic]]: Okay, if the followers of the Order of the One True Way are supposed to accept every single thing as is, why force their ways on others? Why not accept that it was 'predetermined' for others to have their own ways? Lampshaded by Chrodechild {{spoiler\|after her fight with her sister.}} ** No mention of Sieg and Atrie? I'm surprised. * [[Narm]] - Unfortunately, the voice acting can cause some parts of the game to fall into Narm territory.▼ ** No mention of Shams and Taj? Both are friendly loyal to each other, risking life and limb. Shams does his best to keep Taj happy. {{spoiler\|He goes so far as to order Taj not to touch a chronicle in case he becomes a starbearer because he wants to spare Taj the pain of knowing what happened to the Magedom. Taj, of course, isn't having of it, and manages to convince his prince to let him. They have several moments where you can tell that it was fully animated instead of sprites there would be hugging}}. * [[Nightmare Fuel]] - Quite a number of elements of this game can qualify. * [[Moe]]: '''Manaril'''. Even in-universe, she causes numerous characters to devolve into [[Cuteness Proximity]] mode. ** How the followers of the Order of the One True Way, especially Cynas townspeople, live their life. Are those guys even human at all? * [[Moral Event Horizon]]: The {{spoiler\|erasure of entire Magedom}} becomes the final straw. ** {{spoiler\|What happened to people when they were in a place where the world fusion occurred.}} Also overlaps with [[Fate Worse Than Death]]. * [[Most Annoying Sound]]: The hero's English voice, during his [[Motor Mouth]] phase. ** And then there's Rarohenga, especially when you learn why the place is so twisted. Music doesn't help. ▲* [[Narm]] -: Unfortunately, the voice acting can cause some parts of the game to fall into [[Narm]] territory. ~~** {{spoiler\|Macoute's}} transformation definitely counts. A pale bloated angel-blob ''crying tears of blood?!'' shiver~~ * [[Player Punch]] -: It's ''[[Suikoden]]''; there's ''always'' Player Punches in ''Suikoden''. One hits especially hard at {{spoiler\|Ladzaa Fortress, almost sending Sieg into a [[Heroic BSOD]].}}. {{spoiler\|Cougar, made worse by his people not remembering him when returns to them.}}. ** {{spoiler\|The destruction of the Magedom, along with its million inhabitants. Made even worse when you see Manaril´s reaction.}}. * [[The Scrappy]]: Namna, ''Namna'', '''Namna'''. See [[That One Sidequest]] down below for why. * [[That One Sidequest]] - recruiting Namna, who will only join you in a particular month, except that most of the time he won't.▼ * [[Scrappy Mechanic]]: Having to walk out of the dungeon manually rather than using an Escape Talisman when the other series have done it does get tiring. * [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]] - the most common complaint heard when ''Suikoden'' (specifically, ''[[Suikoden II]]'') nuts unaware of the game hear of what this installment lacks or has changed. The removal of the different combat system for [[Duel Boss\|Duel Bosses]] and war battles and the fact that it takes place in an [[Alternate Continuity]] adds fuel to the fire.▼ * {{spoiler\|[[Stoic Woobie]]: Nova}}. ** This is nothing new as the [[Fan Dumb]] have been lambasting every Suikoden for this since [[Suikoden III]] for every part of the game that is not a replica of [[Suikoden II]]. ▼ ▲* [[That One Sidequest]]: ~~- recruiting~~Recruiting Namna, who will only join you in a particular month, except that most of the time he won't. * [[The Woobie]] - Poor, poor [[Blessed With Suck]] Manaril.▼ ▲* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]: ~~- the~~The most common complaint heard when ''Suikoden'' (specifically, ''[[Suikoden II]]'') nuts unaware of the game hear of what this installment lacks or has changed. The removal of the different combat system for [[Duel Boss\|Duel Bosses]] and war battles and the fact that it takes place in an [[Alternate Continuity]] adds fuel to the fire. ▲** This is nothing new as the [[Fan Dumb]] have been lambasting every Suikoden for this since ''[[Suikoden III]]'' for every part of the game that is not a replica of ''[[Suikoden II]]''. * [[Viewer Gender Confusion]]: Chrodechild's short hair and heavy armor have been known to throw off players until people start referring to her as "she". ▲* [[The Woobie]] -: Poor, poor [[Blessed ~~With~~with Suck]] Manaril. Once their backstory is revealed, {{spoiler\|Sophia}} and {{spoiler\|Nova}} can qualify as well. {{spoiler\|The Scribes}} is an entire ''race'' of [[The Woobie\|woobies]]. ** Shams. {{reflist}} [[Category:Suikoden Tierkreis]]