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Set five years before the events of ''[[Suikoden I]]'', ''[[Suikoden V]]'' chronicles a period of great internal strife in the Queendom of Falena: two noble factions are wrestling for control of the queen's favour, and the queen herself is slowly succumbing to the [[With Great Power Comes Great Insanity|insanity]] of the Sun Rune- one of the 27 True Runes- that she was forced to bind to herself years before.
 
The main character is [[Hello, Insert Name Here|the prince]] of Falena's royal house of Falenas; a figurehead who mostly gets sent on unimportant ceremonial missions for the Queendom (since he's not in line to the throne). That is, until a coup d'état forces him out of Falena and into hiding. With his little sister forced to act as the head of a puppet government, it's up to our scrappy royal-in-exile to step out of the shadow of those who would manipulate him for their own ends and gather an army to take back his homeland and restore order to the Queendom.
 
The game is filled with [[Continuity Nod|Continuity Nods]] and [[Shout Out|Shout Outs]] to ''[[Suikoden I]]'' and especially ''[[Suikoden II]]'', in a deliberate attempt to get back to the series' roots.
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* [[All Love Is Unrequited]]: Roy is in love with Lyon, while Faylen pines over him, while Lyon has feelings for her charge the Prince. Whether or not any of it gets resolved is all up to the ending the player gets.
* [[An Interior Designer Is You]]: Randomly acquired potted plants and paintings gotten from [[Impossible Item Drop|enemies]] can be used to decorate sections of your castle.
* [[Anti -Villain]]: Bahram Luger didn't want bloodshed, and most certainly didn't want to fight his old mentor Raja. A shame he was too damn loyal to defect.
* [[Anyone Can Die]]: Well just about, on the battlefield. Or off depending on your decisions.
* [[Atonement Detective]]: {{spoiler|Oboro and his team.}}
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* [[Badass Grandpa]]: Raja, the retired navy admiral, is still the best at her job and proves it by thoroughly crushing her ex-disciples in open combat.
** He doesn't get to do much on screen, but Skald Egan certainly has a reputation for being exactly this. From what you can see of his descendants [[Badass Family|it's hereditary]].
* [[Bare -Fisted Monk]]: Nikea, Shoon
* [[Base On Wheels]]: Raftfleet is a town made of interconnected boats. Since Falena is full of rivers, they are effectively a mobile town and you find them in different places throughout the game.
* [[Big Eater]]: Nikea; she goes around entering tournaments just to support her appetite.
* [[Big Screwed -Up Family]]: The members of the Falenan royal family ''you get to see'' are all very nice people. You don't get to see the others because they are all dead, thanks to struggle for power that gave the resident [[Murder, Inc.]] plenty of jobs from all sides. Several NPCs repeatedly note how remarkably morally upstanding Arshtat and Sialeeds are compared to her predecessors.
* [[Bishounen]]: The Prince, Rahal, and Roy, notably.
* [[Blinding Bangs]]: Shigure. {{spoiler|Given the trend, he may have [[Monochromatic Eyes]] behind that mop of hair.}}
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* [[Earn Your Happy Ending]]
* [[Emotionless Girl|Emotionless Guy]]: Dolph. {{spoiler|Subverted when it turns out that he is a [[Blood Knight]] whose cannot emote due to the drugs he uses to increase his power.}}
* [[Expy]]: Lucretica Merces is basically a hot female [[Dark -Skinned Blond|Karayan]] version of Zhuge Liang.
** Childerich is not at all suppposed to remind us of [[Suikoden II|Luca Blight.]]
** Shoon looks a little like a [[Saint Seiya|Seiya]].
** Shigure channels [[Naruto|Shikamaru]] just a bit...
* [[Expository Hairstyle Change]]: Lady Sialeeds after her {{spoiler|[[Face Heel Turn]] (becoming a [[White -Haired Pretty Girl]] in the process). It's apparently her natural hair color, which makes sense given all her blood relatives have white hair.}}
* [[Eyepatch of Power]]: Worn by Georg Prime. {{spoiler|He's got a normal eye under it.}}
* [[Eyes of Gold]]: Roy. {{spoiler|It's the main way of telling him apart from the Prince when he's in costume.}}
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*** Problem is, different eye color is a pretty blatant sign, yet still ''somehow'' overlooked by even {{spoiler|his ''aunt'', Sialeeds}}. Justified if {{spoiler|Roy uses contact lenses}}... which is very much unlikely.
** Actually, he only has yellow eyes in that one cut scene, {{spoiler|probably there for the PLAYER to tell the difference,}} any other time {{spoiler|that he is in costume, or out of it,}} his eyes are a bluish-gray, {{spoiler|same as the Prince.}}
* [[Fantastic Racism]]: The elves of Alseid hate "barbarous humans" and say "[[Hidden Elf Village|screw the world]]"; the Beavers of Beaver Lodge don't mind humans but are kind of "[[Apathetic Citizens|eeeeh...]]" about getting involved in the whole war thing; {{spoiler|the Godwins want to engage in [[Kill 'Em All|Fantastic]] ''[[Kill 'Em All|Genocide]]'', which convinced the latter to take up arms.}}
* [[Fantasy Kitchen Sink]]
* [[Fishing Minigame]]: Run by Subala, who turns it into a four-way contest between the Prince, herself, Logg and Lun. Complete with [[Trash Talk|Trash Talking]] and boat-ramming. (Sadly, Lyon does not provide [[Trash Talk|Trash Talking]] on [[Heroic Mime|the prince's]] behalf.)
* [[Five -Bad Band]]: The Godwins
** [[Big Bad]]: Marscal Godwin
** [[The Dragon]]: Dolph
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** [[The Brute]]: Childerich, although most of the Godwin generals have elements of this as well
** [[The Dark Chick]]: {{spoiler|Sialeeds}}
* [[Five -Man Band]]: The party with the [[Combination Attack]] Falena's Finest
** [[The Hero]]: The Prince
** [[The Lancer]]: Lyon and Miakis
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* [[Hero With Bad Publicity]]: Georg. {{spoiler|He eventually leaves the country due to it.}}
* [[Hidden Elf Village]]: Alseid. {{spoiler|You can't even ''visit'' it.}}
* [[Highly -Visible Ninja]]: [[Subverted]] with Shigure and Sagiri, who are never even called ninjas, but fight with ninja weaponry and {{spoiler|were once assassins for Nether Gate}}.
** [[Playing With a Trope|Played with]] via Raven, a loud, obnoxious thief, who dresses like a ninja and {{spoiler|whose Raven Rune renders him nigh-untouchable so long as he's indoors and it's dark enough.}}
* [[The High Queen]]: Queen Arshtat of the Queendom of Falena fits this trope rather well, at least while at court, and ''especially'' while being influenced by the Sun Rune.
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** [[Averted]] with Gizel, however, who barely gives a polite pretense of interest in ''her''.
** Gavaya also seems creepily into Lymsleia. But he also feels that way for [[Anything That Moves|anyone else with a vagina]].
** And then there's the [[Sleep Cute]] and [[Ship Tease]] Lymsleia gets with [[Brother -Sister Incest|the Prince,]] and the [[Subtext]] with Miakis...um...Lymsleia is a bit young to be getting this much attention, isn't she?
* [[Lost Technology]]: Rune Cannons from Suikoden IV are now a lost art, and in fact you blow up the last of them for being "too powerful".
* [[Magic Antidote]]: Averted -- The Hero's Rune has the power to keep Lyon from dying, but she still has to spend a long time in bed recovering from the poison. {{spoiler|In fact, it's possible for her to die from the wound you've supposedly taken care of if you didn't recruit all characters}}.
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* [[Monochromatic Eyes]]: Dolph has dull brown, emotionless eyes. Two other characters with similarly "flat" eyes are {{spoiler|Oboro and Sagiri, hinting at the connection between all three.}}
* [[Monster Protection Racket]]: {{spoiler|Euram}} hires bandits led by a lookalike of the Prince so that he can beat them and look awesome.
* [[Multiple Endings]]: Aside from the [[One Hundred and Eight108|108 Stars]] endings (and yes, there's a few variations on that!), and the not-so-good endings where the player didn't [[Guide Dang It|track everyone down]], there are several premature endings the player can stumble across.
* [[Murder, Inc.]]: Nether Gate. {{spoiler|Comes complete with ''[[Four Is Death|four]]'' defectors who can join your party.}}
* [[My Master Right or Wrong]]: Galleon in a nutshell. He continues to work for the monarch that reduced his hometown to a desert. Dilber and Luger also suffer from this.
* [[Mysterious Waif]]: Eresh
* [[Mythology Gag]]: The alternate outfits worn by the Prince, Lyon and Kyle during certain sections of the plot are meant to invoke the outfits worn by McDohl, Cleo and Viktor in [[Suikoden I|the original game]]. You also get to go to an [[Suikoden IV|Island Nations]] city and fight a battle there with a remix of [[Suikoden IV]]'s battle soundtrack. Not to mention the recurring characters.
* [[Non -Idle Rich]]: Luserina Barows, a girl born in a dynasty of [[Upperclass Twit|Upper Class Twits]] who lacks any of her relatives' haughtiness and actually performs the majority of the administrative business of their house.
** Sialeeds, the queen Arshtat's sister, officially tasked with [[Upper Class Wit|absolutely nothing]], served as a sort of counter-intelligence/micromanaging problem-solver for her sister, and had no problem [[Lady of War|engaging in combat herself]]. Arshtat probably intended for the prince to become this as well, until [[Call to Adventure|the plot just went and did the job for her.]] {{spoiler|[[The Call Knows Where You Live|By doing her in.]]}}
** There's also {{spoiler|Josephine, who's actually Shula's sister Yuma, who came to Haud in search of...''culture''.}}
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* [[Older Than They Look]]: Fuyo, who's all [[Puni Plush]], big pigtails and big skirts.
* [[Only Sane Man]]: At times, Shigure openly questions the sanity of his coworkers in the Oboro Detective Agency. Said complaints are generally met with much amusement by said coworkers. [[Catch Phrase|What a pain...]]
* [[Eerie Pale -Skinned Brunette]]: Zerase; one of the bath scenes revolves around this.
* [[Papa Wolf]]: More like "Brother Wolf"; Shigure may be lazy, and constantly complain about his adoptive family, but '''don't threaten them'''.
** Could also be said about Georg towards the prince, Lym and Lyon.
* [[Paper -Thin Disguise]]: {{spoiler|Faylen and Faylon}} tried to pull this to impersonate {{spoiler|Lyon and Georg}}, although it didn't work since {{spoiler|Roy laughed off at Faylen's disguise, and Faylon ripped out the costume when he tried it on}}.
* [[Petting Zoo People]]: [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|Beavers]]
* [[Power At a Price]]: Raging Nostrum. {{spoiler|A [[Psycho Serum]] developed by [[Murder, Inc.|Nether Gate]] that sends the user into a [[Unstoppable Rage]], but [[Deadly Upgrade|they die afterwards]].}}
** The Sun Rune also qualifies, the ability to utterly decimates one's foes comes at the cost of one's sanity erroding away.
* [[Precursors]]: The Sindar are the staple ancient civilization of Suikoden, having left heaps of [[Ragnarok Proofing|still functioning]] [[Lost Technology|cryptic devices and ruins]] all over.
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* [[Psycho for Hire]]: Childerich.
* [[Random Encounter]]: Not quite high as in [[Suikoden IV]], but still... Even in the very first dungeon, you won't leave it without at least ten random encounters while getting two mediocre treasures.
* [[Rant -Inducing Slight]]: Egbert Aethelbald, who will always quickly descend to ranting about '''FILTHY GODWIN DEVILS!!!!''' in mere seconds.
* [[Rebellious Princess]]: Princess Lymsleia, with good reason.
** There's also {{spoiler|Yuma Valya, a [[Spoiled Brat]] version who fled to Falena because she saw New Armes as "uncultured". She goes by the assumed name Josephine...}}
*** {{spoiler|It wasn't exactly New Armes being "uncultured" that did it. She was tired of living in her brother Shula's shadow.}}
* [[Red Oni, Blue Oni]]: Roog and Rahal. Their mounts even share the color scheme, if not the dynamic.
* [[Redundant Researcher]]: Zweig, Lorelai and Killey.
* [[Restraining Bolt]]: The Sun Rune, worn on the head, is meant to be worn along with the Dawn Rune and the Twilight rune (on either hand) in order to keep its power in check and prevent the wielder from going insane. Unfortunately, Arshadt has access to neither when she takes up the Sun Rune.
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** Actually played for contrast with him and his father Ferid. The previous commanders, usually noble-born who simply hired someone to earn their position for them, were very rarely if ever trained as field commanders, much less fighters, usually delegating the job to someone else. Ferid, and later the prince, gain a lot of popularity precisely for being [[Royals Who Actually Do Something]].
* [[Secret Project Refugee Family]]: {{spoiler|The Oboro Detective Agency}}
* [[Ship Tease]]: Early in the game, there's a lot of [[Subtext]] between [[Brother -Sister Incest|the prince and Lymsleia]], including [[Sleep Cute|sleeping in the same bed at one point]].
** The manga teases the prince with Luserina Barrows.
** There's also Roog and Miakis, though that may be one-sided.
* [[Shoot the Dog]]: {{spoiler|Georg to Arshtat. There's a good reason for it.}}
* [[Shout Out]]: [[HP Lovecraft|Alhazred]], and his weapons are all named for the different "translations" of the [[Tome of Eldritch Lore|Necronomicon]].
* [[Sibling Yin -Yang]]: The prince and Princess Lymsleia; Euram and Luserina Barrows; Faylon and Faylen.
* [[Small Girl, Big Gun|Small Girl Big Weapon]]: Faylen and her boomerang; Lu and her crossbow...
* [[Silk Hiding Steel]]: Luserina Barows. She's sweet and graceful and apparently stays home while her dad and brother politic in the capital. However, if you talk around Rainwall, you'll find out that ''she'' is the one running the place. She also takes part in the coming battles as 'morale', in other words, encrouaging them to victory.
* [[Spare to The Throne]]: A non-royal example with the House of Barows. After his older brother Hiram was assassinated during the bloody Succession Conflict, Euram was thrust into the role of his father's heir, as well as dealing with his mother's extended [[Despair Event Horizon|BSOD]]. This stress of this helps shape him into the irritating [[Epic Fail|Epic Failing]] [[Upperclass Twit]] everyone has to deal with during the events of the game, until [[Character Development]] enables him to grow out of it.
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* [[Summon Magic]]: The 'Pale Gate' rune.
* [[Sympathetic Murder Backstory]]: Lyon reveals {{spoiler|she was a former member of Nether Gate, an assassin's guild in service to Falena's royal family. They took her in while she was still a child an trained her. She was eventually rescued by the prince's father, Ferid, who gave her the name, Lyon. She goes on to become the prince's bodyguard as her way of repaying Ferid's kindness.}}
* [[Tactical Rock -Paper -Scissors]]: As usual for the series, both Duels and War Battles function through these. The latter gets a bit more complicated, though.
* [[Team Mom]]: Fuyo to the Oboro Detectives. Oboro serves as a [[Team Dad]]. Together they're a kind of defacto husband and wife.
* [[The Battle Didn't Count]]: If you do win the not-quite [[Hopeless Boss Fight]] at the start against {{spoiler|Childerich and Dolph}}, they just get up completely unharmed.
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** One could argue that the same is true for Lyon and the Prince. While nothing is directly mentioned about it, there's a lot of subtle subtext pointing towards that they indeed have more developed relationship that what is known. See for example certain dialogue-less scenes in Lunas.
* [[Warrior Prince]]: The prince not only directly leads the army in combat, he fights as part of the infantry.
* [[Well -Intentioned Extremist]]: The Godwins seek to empower Falena as a nation so that the losses suffered in the bloody civil war several years ago is not repeated. Unfortunately, they try to do this by overthrowing the royal family, reviving a defunct assassin's guild, and {{spoiler|attempting to purge the nation of all nonhumans.}}
** A fairly common [[Epileptic Trees|fan theory]] is that they expected to lose, and that the newly empowered Falena at the end was their plan all along. This becomes a [[Gambit Roulette]] if looked at too closely, but that doesn't mean they didn't invent it as a [[Xanatos Speed Chess|Plan B]] when it was clear they were losing...
** {{spoiler|That was Sialeeds' plan. Gizel and Marscal just realized it around the time Sialeeds died.}}
* [[White -Haired Pretty Boy]]: Prince Felanas. He even gets called a pretty boy in-game.
** Oddly enough, you could probably say he fits the [[White -Haired Pretty Girl]] trope better: he is chosen by a rune (magical properties) and is a good commander despite his young age. The ''real'' [[White -Haired Pretty Boy]], with its connotations of villainy, is actually {{spoiler|Lady Sialeeds}} whose hair is allowed to turn white (it was dyed before) after betraying your party.
* [[Wholesome Crossdresser]]: {{spoiler|Rahal fills out his sister's clothes pretty well...it's also unclear why he has a spare of them with him...}}
* [[With Great Power Comes Great Insanity]]: The Sun Rune is one of the strongest of the 27 True Runes, and can cause moments of extreme megalomania in it's bearer, as they believe themselves to be a God. Even the kind and loving Arshtat fell victim to this, destroying Lordlake {{spoiler|and almost doing the same to the entire country of Falena}} because of the rune's influence.
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* [[Xanatos Gambit]]: Lucretia wields one of these masterfully to beat the combined Armes/Godwin army, first feigning defeat to get the enemy armies to occupy the rebel headquarters, then flooding the entire thing, then launching a full out assault on the weakened enemy forces. Truly worthy of being an [[Expy]] of [[Romance of the Three Kingdoms|Zhuge Liang]].
** She really did think of everything. Leaving the castle itself is a good move because they would be surrounded otherwise, and it denies the enemy desperately needed food. Even if the Armes/Godwin army ''didn't fall for the trap, they'd still be chasing a fully stocked army with empty bellies and grumbling mouths.
* [[Yin -Yang Bomb]]: The Twilight Rune and the Dawn Rune have an incredibly powerful combination spell that heals the friendly party and damages all enemies at once.
* [[You Can't Thwart Stage One]]: Very, very obvious, and very ''very'' painful.
** Especially since the quality of the writing repeatedly forces blatant false hope on the player that serves only to underscore this trope.
* [[You Fight Like a Cow]]: One-on-one duels are carried out by executing three possible commands that cancel each other by [[Tactical Rock -Paper -Scissors]] mechanics. How to tell what the enemy is going to do? By their pre-action taunts, of course. While this is a staple of the series, Suikoden V takes it further by adding a time limit to the input so you are in a bit more of a hurry. The catch? Certain characters with apparent [[Medium Awareness]] start taking advantage of this rush by making ''feint taunts'' that seem like they'll be one action and change to another by the end of their speech.
* [[You're Insane|You're Insane!]]: {{spoiler|Lyon says this to Dolph when she learns that he works for the Godwins just so he can continue to kill people.}}
* [[Your Princess Is in Another Castle]]: After you liberate Sol Falena. {{spoiler|the country is saved but the [[Big Bad]] escaped and with the Sun Rune and threatens to flood the place.}}
 
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