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** In fact, most airports are a good distance away from the cities they're associated with, for the simple reason that, well, you need a lot of room to land a plane safely, and a lot ''more'' room to make sure you have a buffer just in case things go wrong. When [[Tropers/Mr Death|This Troper]] went throughout Europe, nearly every airport he landed in was a solid hour drive or more away from the city the airport was nominally in.
*** Not to mention planes are really freaking loud, which is why property values near airports are so low.
* What happened to Yoshi's Island in World 6 of Super Mario World 2?
** What are you talking about?
** He's referring to the weird place with the black sky and brown surface, which you can see on the title screen after you enter World 6. I don't know what the deal is.
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** Interestingly, it seems like the Mushroom Kingdom's main weapondry consists mostly of cannons, which ''far'' predate WWI.
* Why is Luigi such a coward in the ''Mario & Luigi'' and yet acts extremely brave in ''[[Super Paper Mario]]''?
** He got sick of living in Mario's shadow, and decided the best way of getting out of it was by doing the heroics himself?
*** Nope. I already know this: Luigi is only brave when someone close to him is in serious trouble. See ''Luigi's Mansion''.
**** Very likely-- though he was still (visibly) frightened in LM, he was working past that... It's unfair to say that he never has his moments in the M&L games, though-- it's a little random, but he actually seems ''more'' brave in those installments...at least to this troper.
*** Luigi is still something of a coward in SPM. He was cowering behind a bush when you met him in the Underwhere.
**** To be fair, the last thing he would have remembered was being cornered in Bleck's castle; after that, it would have seemed like he just "randomly" appeared in some completely different (though no less depressing) place. Look at his dialogue after he's told what the Underwhere is. "So my game is over... Great." Indeed...
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** Back to the original question: It's a safe assumption that after rescuing Peach, Mario went back and freed the remaining Toads.
** On a related note, the original plot of ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' is that the Koopalings stole these magic wands and used them to turn the rulers of the Mushroom world into random animals. Bowser kidnapping the Princess isn't an issue for most of the game; Peach sends you letters at the end of every world except 7, when Bowser sends you one saying he kidnapped her while you were running around. This implies that she's back at home and doing fine. How, then, is the Princess kidnapped if you use the warp whistle to go straight to World 8? It normally would take Bowser enough time for Mario to finish between six and seven worlds to grab Peach, so there isn't enough time if you go straight there. Plus, Mario doesn't even ''know'' the Princess has been kidnapped until he gets the letter at the end of World 7, so why would he even want to go to Dark Land anyway?
*** Useage of the warp zones likly leads to the non-canonacal sequence of events for the game. The story of the game probably assumes Mario goes through every necessary level (but not necessarlily the secret or bonus levels) without warping. These weren't meant to be sandbox games where your actions affect the story, so warping past events creates a non-canon scenario and thus your story-line experience becomes corrupted.
*** Actually, a recent version of SMB3 (I believe it was ''Super Mario Advance 4'') corrected the issue by having Bowser's letter displayed the first time you enter World 8, whether you used a Warp Whistle or not.
** My guess to the original question is that the Warp Pipe/Whistle teleports Mario inside the castle, where he frees the kidnapped Toads (who said there was only the "Thank You" toad?) and they clear out the castle for him while he moves on to the next castle.
* How does Mario use the pipes for transportation if plumber-eating plants also live in them?
** Maybe not every pipe is infested. If they were, the Mushroom Kingdom would be in deeper trouble than they already are with Bowser.
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** Did you think Wario is the only one who gets to keep the coins he finds lying around all the time? Mario is filthy stinking RICH after all the adventures he's taken, each of which lands him several thousand gold coins.
** Could also be gifts of gratitude... seeing that Mario has rescued the Princess and saved the Mushroom Kingdom on numerous occasions.. the guy deserves his own castle...
** He's also a doctor in Dr. Mario.
*** Plumbing is a lucrative business, especially when you can burn away clogs instead of buying equipment.
** Don't forget the exchange rate between Beanbean and Mushroom coins, Peasley gives you over 9 million Mushroom coins which are only 99 Beanbean coins. Not much when they're in one kingdom, but when they're home... Also check how much cash you've got in your files, then chalk up the exchange rate. Then divide by two, because Luigi deserves some profit.
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*** Yeah. It's onscreen [[Offscreen Villain Dark Matter]].
** Maybe it's planned to be used as a weapon against those who oppose his galactic rule.
* So, how do the platforms float anyways?
** The laws of physics are different in the Mario universe.
*** [[A Wizard Did It|A Magikoopa did it]].
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Twin Two: By a minute! }}
** Because it's not so much just I'm older than you by a year, it's I'm barely older than you. It gives a greater reason to want to get out of the older brother's shadow. He's can't be that much better than me, he's not that much older than me.
* In Super Mario Galaxy, in the Battlerock level, you feed star bits to a hungry Luma, who then transforms into a planet. Okay, standard fare. However, the planet has an NPC on it. Where did this guy come from? Did he pop into existence when the Luma transformed, and when you find him he's only a minute or two old? Is he the Luma, just in a different form? Did he manage to somehow fly over to this planet really quickly before you get there? Furthermore, it is implied that he has been working really hard on that planet for a long time. How is that possible, if the planet just then popped into existence?
** He'd been working on the planet in his head, he just needed the boost to become it.
* Furthermore, consider the blue Lumas that sell you mushrooms. You can feed them star bits, and they'll give you a 1-Up or a life meter boost. The thing is, they don't simply give you the mushroom. No. They ''transform'' into the mushroom. Assuming that Mario eats the mushroom to get its powers, did Mario just eat an innocent Luma?
** You should probably add 'Why are they on the bad guy's ship in the first place?' Or coincidentally a few feet away from a boss arena? Are they completely suicidal?
** Lumas seem to be effectively immortal thanks to reincarnation, they're probably deliberately helping out Mario.
** That, and their purpose is explicitly stated to be to eventually transform into something else, and if that helps save the universe so much the better.
* Whatever happened to Tatanga, anyways? After Super Mario Land 2, he just disappeared without so much as a trophy in Super Smash Bros.
** He actually appeared in a Super Mario Land comic some time:
** [http://www.mariowiki.com/Tatanga Tatanga article on Super Mario Wiki]
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*** Mild telekinesis?
*** Yeah, it's pretty much ''canon'' that they have some sort of telekinesis. In the baseball games, a Goomba is a playable character and they're actually above-average in pitching, despite having no arms. The bat and the glove are [http://www.mariowiki.com/images/b/b0/GoombaBaseball.jpg visibly floating around beside the Goomba].
* In [[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]], Bowser gets amnesia and is brought up as a partner to Popple. Bowser gets a blue mask to cover his face. For some reason, when wearing this mask, his eyes are green, where every other time they are red. Why would a mask change eye colour?
** Contact lenses in the eye holes.
*** Really effective disquises?
* How does Bowser even have a son of any kind? We've never seen his wife, or any female Koopa.
** Yes we have. Kammy Koopa. He always ''did'' seem awfully close to her.
** And so, this line of discussion and thought came to an abrupt halt, as we all tried to purge the image of a naked Kammy Koopa out of our minds.
*** Uh... if Kammy were naked, how would she look any different from every other Koopa in the world?
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** If it's hot enough, with fuel, fire can burn underwater. Or maybe he's just using the fireball to boil the water in such a matter that it mimics his actual fireball.
** [[wikipedia:Greek fire|He uses Greek fire.]]
* Why does Peach let Mario always save her? Does she like him that much? In every game she is playable in (''especially'' the "Not really in this universe" [[Super Smash Bros.]] Brawl), she is shown to be quite capable to taking care of herself. She's light, but I'm pretty sure she can get away from anything Bowser throws at her.
** Well...SuperSmashBros isn't canon, so she doesn't kick that much ass normally. The SSB games just sort of take any reasonably popular character and give them awesome super powers. And not always at the scale you'd expect--given that Link is almost always at the bottom of the list, along with Ganondorf. As far as Peach letting Mario save her...well, she's just incompetent. I can't fathom why the Toads allow her to rule them.
** However, what about [[Super Princess Peach]]? [[Super Mario Bros. 2]]?
** Well, the latter was {{spoiler|[[All Just a Dream]]}}.
** Don't forget [[Super Mario RPG]]. I'm still waiting for her to whale on him with a frying pan.
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* Why can't the ice flower give you the ability to shoot ice and the penguin suit gives you the ability to freeze water/lava? The fire '''flower''' lets you shoot fire balls, and the ice flower looks like a counterpart of the fire flower... why can't Super Mario Galaxy have used the penguin suit instead?
** The Ice Flower item in [[Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time]] does let Mario and Luigi shoot ice at enemies.
*** In fact, the true headscratcher is "why the heck do ice flowers work differently from game to game?" In Mario Galaxy, they turn you into Jesus Mario, while in Partners in Time and New Super Mario Bros Wii they act like the proper counterpart to fire flowers (as in allowing you to shoot ice balls). Oh, and why are ice flowers suspiciously absent from newer games? In fact the ice flower seemed like the logical counterpart to the fire flower and not only I don´t understand why it dosn´t appear regularly like the fire one does: I can´t understand why it took so long for Nintendo to finally add it in Parnters in Time when the fire flower was around since the beginning.
* Why do a lot of people complain that they shoved the Koopalings in randomly in [[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]]? They say that they came out of nowhere and had no dialogue, but what's so abnormal about that? They were in Bowser's Castle at the time, their friggen ''home'', so they didn't just appear out of nowhere. And they might not have had any lines of dialogue, but is this troper forgetting a game where they ''did'' have lines of dialogue?
** They ''might'' have gotten lines in ''[[Hotel Mario]]'', but I haven't watched all the cutscenes to be sure. I know [[Youtube Poop|some people have]], though. Care to help?
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** The citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom know about our pairings and shippings.
* Okay, when Mario and Luigi got to the Mushroom Kingdom? Y'know, when Bowser had already conquered it? Exactly how long was the kingdom under Bowser's heel? A week? A few months? A year? Mario and Luigi have to liberate it from his clutches, so how long was this going on? Did Peach get Stockholm Syndome during her time being kidnapped, because I'm half-willing to bet she was held captive for a prolonged period of time and it had a weird effect on her mental state.
* Is Wario supposed to be an elf of some kind? His ears are pointed, and so are his shoes, two typical aspects of elves and/or genies.
** I don't think so, although Wario and Waluigi look almost exactly like elves down to the pointed shoes and ears.
* Exactly how does Mario's world still exist when there are so many ancient [[Sealed Evil in a Can]] artifacts/monsters who were active in the past? Mario and Luigi weren't always around the Toads are about as tough pillow stuffing, so how did they ever survive long enough to seal creatures capable of warping reality?
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* How the hell in Super Mario Galaxy the hungry Luma galaxies did the Toad brigade get there first when the Luma just transformed? And how were penguins supposdedly living in that galaxy for years when it was just created?
** That was already discussed. Solution 1: '''It's a Mario game!''' Solution 2: The Luma galaxies or planets are all in the Luma's mind, it's just its imagination until it becomes reality the moment it transforms at which point the NPCs on the planet have in fact been there for years from their point of view.
* Are Mario and Luigi from the Mushroom Kingdom? Was the Brooklyn thing NA only? Or were they born in the Mushroom Kingdom, moved to Brooklyn, then moved back?
** Mario and Luigi are from the Mushroom Kingdom, and have at the very least been to New York (because Miyamoto has stated that [[Mario Bros]]. takes place in New York).
* People who state [[Super Mario Bros. 2]] isn't a Mario game because it's a hack. It established many, if not most, of the iconic Mario features and characters. Birdo, Luigi's height, Luigi's jumping skills, Shy Guys, etc.
** Because the only thing common with every other game is the sprites. Just about everything else is way different from them. Also, Luigi's jumping ability was first used in the original SMB 2/Lost Levels. Aside from Birdo and Shy Guys, not many of the enemies haven't been used outside this game, have they?
*** Bob-ombs, a Mario staple, debuted in this game. Pokeys and Snifits have also appeared in several other games.
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** Did you not pay attention to what little there is to the rest of the the plot? Bowser wants to ''destroy the universe to create his own''. He didn't conquer the Mushroom Kingdom because there would be no point in wasting resources on something you're just going to erase from existence. This is more emphasized in the first game but it's still there.
*** I blame this on very ambiguous terminology. Bowser says that he's going to create his own galaxy. At the end of the first game, Mario happily declares the existence of the new galaxy. But at the same time, every stage in the game is ''also'' referred to as a galaxy. It's not impossible to think that Bowser's just making a very large new area for himself. One with cake.
* This is aimed at the fandom more then the series. Why does it seem like most of the fandom can't take any pairing that isn't Wario/Mona, Mario/Peach, Mario/Rosalina, or Luigi/Daisy? They seem even more [[Die for Our Ship|intolerant]] and [[Fan Dumb|mediocre]] then other shippings fandom. The internet is full of <s>little kids</s> fans who have nothing better to do then bash other shippings, even more then other fandoms.
** Probably because some of the pairings wouldn't fit. This happens in shipping all the time; it's pretty annoying.
** There's Mario shipping and fan fiction? What sites do you even see this stuff on, since it's not present on most I frequent. But to answer the question, maybe they got annoyed after some weird person shipped Peach and Kamek...
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** A group of Yoshis got to the island a long time ago, and in later generations, they never learned how to swim. As for the dissolving thing, I got nothing.
** Aren't most Yoshi island dwellers? It could be that they aren't real Yoshi. Since a large part of the plot was someone painting on the island, is it really out of the question that the Yoshi are also just painted things that Bowser Jr. created because he was trying to imitate one of his father's scemes?
* In ''[[Super Mario Sunshine]]'', there's a Noki woman with a baby standing outside of Pinna Park. The weird part is, when you talk to her, she never once suggests that it's her kid or if she's related to it at all, referring to it as "the child" and "this baby." Did she kidnap it? Is she babysitting it? Is she just really detached? It's a small detail to get hung up on, granted, but it still bugs me. (You see her again later in Noki Bay, but I can't remember if she says anything more revealing then or not. I don't think she does, but...)
** Maybe she thinks Mario's smart enough to fill in the blanks. Maybe she just talks weird. Maybe Mario doesn't need to know every detail about her life.
** I think the Japanese version for "this child" (この子) and related is common in that language for referring to one's child and they just made the translation pretty literal.
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* Why are the Strikers games so dark and edgy? There's no real reason for it. I mean [[Rule of Cool|it looks cool]], but it just seems kind of out of place compared to... every other game.
** I suppose golfing was kind of boring, so...[[Rule of Cool|why not?]]
* Hey, remember the [http://smwc.hostzi.com/SMWiki/images/3/34/Rex.gif Rex] from Super Mario World? What ever happened to them? I don't think I've seen them in ''any'' game since then, they never got the [[Mascot Mook]] status of the Goombas and Koopas, I barely ever see any fanart of them, and...well, I even had a hard time finding any pictures of them at all. Is there some reason I don't know about as to why the fandom seems to act like [[Fanon Discontinuity|they never existed]]? They're adorable! They may not be as iconic as Koopas, but they are certainly a significant part of my experience with the Mario games.
** See [[The Wiki Rule|the Super Mario Wiki]]'s [http://www.mariowiki.com/Rex Rex] article. Excluding non-game appearances, they've shown up four times: ''[[Super Mario World (video game)|Super Mario World]]'', ''[[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]]'', ''[[Super Princess Peach]]'' (also as [http://www.mariowiki.com/Sad_Rex Sad Rex]) and ''[[Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time]]'' (only as [http://www.mariowiki.com/Shroob_Rex Shroob Rex]). As far as pictures, only one or two official illustrations of them exist, but [[Deviant ART]] [http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Mario+Rex does have some fanart].
*** There's also that guy with an [[Funny Afro|afro]] in ''[[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door]]'' who keeps hitting on Goombella.
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** Given that "Big Mario" is normal-sized in comparison to Peach, it seems like Mario sometimes shrinks when he gets hurt. Not sure why that only happens in the side-scrollers, though...
** Mario was the first platform game to use a "large" character but they wanted that size to be a reward.
* Why does Super Mario Galaxy always get the shaft in terms of representation in spin-offs? Aside from the galaxy-themed Rainbow Road, and Rosalina in Mart Kart Wii and the dream events in the Mario & Sonic games, there hasn't really been anything not even the slightest reference. I can understand Brawl for not having a Galaxy themed stage but what stopped Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Sports Mix or Mario Party (though 9 could have some Galaxy themed stages). Logic doesn't really cut it especially since a Goomba can play baseball despite not having any arms. Furthermore, why isn't Rosalina in any more spin-offs, I figured she'd be the one character that would be shoved in all the spin-offs but so far she's only been in Mario Kart Wii.
** SM Galaxy only came out like a couple years ago. Good game or not, it is simply not as recognizable as other games in the series.
** Rosalina ([[The Unexpected|and Queen Bee?]]) are both in Mario Kart 7, and in one of the stages the first planet in Gateway Galaxy and the Comet Observatory appear in the background, if that helps. And what do you mean you can understand it's absence in Brawl? It came out a year before Brawl, and Brawl got delayed three/four times. The only reference to the game is in the Chronicle. Not even a trophy or sticker. That's appalling!
** (OP here). Well I didn't expect much from Brawl since like how SSB and SSBM focused most of its Mario representation on Mario 64, Brawl would focus most of its on Sunshine. Though now that you mention it, the fact that it had no trophy or stickers is a bit odd especially since Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin had one in SSBM despite coming out rather recently. I also don't think it not being as well known shouldn't be an excuse. SMG is the only 3D Mario to get a sequel so that surely must count for something. Even now, Sunshine still gets referenced a lot in most of the non-Mario Kart spin-offs and I'm pretty sure most people would know more about the two Galaxy games than Sunshine.
** Actually, there are ''Galaxy'' references in ''9'': [[Plant Aliens|Whittles]] can actually be seen in the backgrounds of some of the minigames. And [[Mario Tennis|''Mario Tennis Open''?]] Luma's now a playable character.
* So...does Bowser build the obstacle courses Mario has to go through, or are all these Donut Lifts, see-saws, and Trampolines just naturally occurring? Or is it some kind of thing where [[Gameplay and Story Segregation|that shit's just to make gameplay more interesting]]?
* Did Luigi just forget all his electricity based attacks from Super Star Saga? I understand [[Status Quo Is God]], but I liked the idea of him having a power slightly different from Mario's.
* [[Yoshi's Island]] DS and [[Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time]] raise an interesting question. They are both set in the past, and it's not hard to tell that Bowser is just a few years older than the Mario Brothers. That is somewhat acceptable, as his age in the other games does not seem to be set, but Peach would appear to be just a few years younger than them, whereas in the main games she looks at least ten years younger than them. How does that work?
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