Super Smash Bros./YMMV: Difference between revisions

 

See also:

* [[Game Breaker/Super Smash Bros|Game Breaker - Super Smash Bros.]]

 

=== The Main games: ===

** "Cool, new Smash Brothers game. Wait, what's this, a new [[Metal Gear]]? What, they're discussing the game? What's that box doing on one of the stages? [[Guest Fighter|Oh...]] [[Big Yes|oh hell yeah.]]"

** ''Brawl's'' Stage Builder.

** New Smash Bros?! ON THE WII U ''AND'' 3DS?! [[Memetic Mutation|Our bodies were not ready.]]<br /><br />For players who were burned by the previous games' lack of balance, especially ''Brawl'', producer Sakurai has mentioned that he may involve the other members in his staff with Balance.<br /><br />Also, [[Word of God|Sakurai's statement]] that ''Brawl'' won't be the only game in the series with third-party guest characters. The first ones Sakurai [[wikipedia:Untitled Super Smash Bros. sequel#Development|stated]] to be interested in? "[[Capcom]] [[Capcom vs. Whatever|characters]]". ''[[Precision F-Strike|Hell.]]'' ''[[Big Yes|Yeah.]]''

** Then there's Bowser Jr, a lot of fans find his Clown Car moveset unique and fun and are open to the idea of playable Koopaling alts, others think his inclusion gives the [[Super Mario Bros]] franchise too much representation.

** Duck Hunt Dog. Hilariously awesome and original newcomer, or stupid addition who takes up a more deserving roster slot?

** Does ''Kid Icarus Uprising'' deserve to get as much content as it does? Some argue that it does given that ''Uprising'' was developed with ''Smash Bros'' in mind which justifies Sakurai putting so much of it's content into the game. Others however argue that ''one game'' does not deserve to have such a staggering amount of content when series like [[Donkey Kong Country]] and [[Metroid]] have a lot less. Both sides make valid points, as well as a lot of name-calling and insults and all around unpleasant stuff.

* [[Broken Base]]: [[Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement|Let's leave it at that.]]

** [[Abridged Arena Array]]: In tournament play, the neutral stage selection consists of static and very balanced stages. In contrast, counterpick stages are generally much less restrictive (eg. Pokémon Stadium and Rainbow Cruise).

** Due to Unity Ruleset Committee (a group of American and Canadian Smash tournament organizers) banning Meta Knight from use in future tournaments, players who main Meta Knight are in an uproar. [[Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment|No, we don't need to explain any more than what's been said, thank you.]]

** For Glory Mode in Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS serves to rectify this, as it makes it to where every stage has a Final Destination equivalent.

* [[Contested Sequel]]: ''Brawl'', for Sakurai going out of his way to make the game as mainstream accessible as possible, having slower paced action, easy stage recovery, highly nerfed characters mixed in with highly overpowered ones, little to no comboing (an essential part of fighting games in general), almost none of the advanced techniques in ''Melee'' (some of which actually originated in the N64 original), [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|and TRIPPING.]]

** Bowser Jr. and Rosalina both pull this sort of status thanks to the fact that they not only have very fun playstyles (Rosalina being a puppet-based fighter with Bowser Jr. relying on his Clown Car's assortment of tricks)and the fact that they were quite unexpected to show up. Even better in Bowser Jr's case: all seven Koopalings are playable by proxy due to him possessing them as alts.

* [[Even Better Sequel]]: ''Melee'', regarding the original, with trophies, more controls, more characters, more stages, and a competitive scene.

* [[Fan Dumb]]: The "hurr-durr-Lucario-is-a-clone-of-Mewtwo" people base that off the fact that both of their neutral special moves involve making some sort of power ball. Other than that, Lucario and Mewtwo couldn't be any more different.

** The Mewtwo [[Fan Dumb]] EXPLODED once Lucario was revealed to be returning to Smash Bros to truly embarrassing levels.

* [[Good Bad Bugs]]:

** Wavedashing. It's a physics exploit caused by air-dodging into the ground. Quite a few fans were upset when it was removed in Brawl.

** An AI glitch in ''Melee'' will occasionally cause a giant Yoshi fought in Classic mode to jump off the edge of the stage as soon as the match begins, giving you the victory in under five seconds.

* [[Hate Dumb]]: Lucario has amassed one among Mewtwo fans due his perceived [[Replacement Scrappy]] status (Never mind the fact that Mewtwo was planned for Brawl and could still show up in Smash 4 as DLC) as well as his "clone" status (which he isn't). It became truly embarrassingly pathetic when he was revealed for Smash 4.

* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]:

** There was a letter sent to [[Nintendo Power]] describing characters the writer would like to see in the game. One of the characters was Lucario. Nintendo Power sarcastically replied that it was a good character choice. Cue ''Brawl'', and Lucario is a playable character.

** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6qjU8Kc1NY

* [[Most Annoying Sound]]: Ness in ''Super Smash Bros.''. Especially when taunt dashing. OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!OKAY!

** Pikachu's taunt. "Pika-Pikaaa!" over and over.

** [[Sonic the Hedgehog|YOU'RE TOO SLOW! C'MON STEP IT UP!]]

* [[Power-Up Letdown]]: If you get Goldeen from a Pokeball or in Smash 4: a Master Ball.

* [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses]]: Peach is criticized for fighting with a ''frying pan'' as a weapon, saying that's too much of a stereotypical woman's weapon to be efficient (though she's been using frying pans to attack since ''Super Mario RPG''.)

* [[Replacement Scrappy]]: Lucario is often accused as this for Mewtwo, despite the fact that [[Mis Blamed|both of them]] [[Dummied Out|were going to appear]] in ''Brawl''.

** Toon Link for Young Link.

** Clone characters in general get this kind of reaction thanks to the fact that they play more-or-less identical to the fighter they are based off of, either overshadowing the original and making them arguably irrelevant, or are overshadowed themselves.

*** It seems that Smash 4's new clones get this treatment the most: Lucina is viewed as way too similar to Marth (just without his sword's sweet spot) to justify her own slot. Dr. Mario's status probably isn't helped by the fact that the ''Mario'' franchise has a ''lot'' of representatives in general this time around, and the fact that he made it in while his fellow Melee alumni Mewtwo didn't. Dark Pit however gets this status the most: as he is pretty much a ''Palette Swap'' of Pit that originated in Brawl before becoming his own character in ''Uprising'' whose moveset is considered to be ''the'' laziest out of any clone character's. His edgy personality in his own game also gets him a lot of scorn from the fans as well.

** Pokémon Trainer's stamina mechanic, which punishes you for trying to rely on one of the Mons by reducing your stats when you use a specific one for too long, which is rather hated because Ivysaur and Charizard are rather sub-par compared to Squirtle, and the long duration of switching makes quickly recovering Squirle impossible. Probably implemented to convey the theme of using the entire Pokémon team instead of relying on one member. This despite the fact that Sheik/Zelda never needed any handicap on multiple forms despite the fact that Zelda is similarly sub-par and Sheik is deadly in the metagame.

** Another for Pokémon Trainer: Type effectiveness. The three pokémon are knocked back a little more/less by attacks of their respective weaknesses/resistances. This creates two problems: first, no other Pokémon is affected by this system, so Charizard (a Fire type) isn't strong against Lucario (a Steel type), Lucario (also a Fighting type) isn't strong against Jigglypuff (a Normal type), et cetera, making it a pointless detail. Second, considering this is is only based on fire-water-grass, this puts Ivysaur at a huge disadvantage because about half of the characters in Brawl have fire attacks, and it's too easy on Charizard because there are only 3 water attacks, one being from Kirby with Squirtle's ability.

* [[Sequel Displacement]]: When ''Melee'' was young, a number of fans failed to realize that there was a game that came before it, despite the information being in Melee.

* [[That One Boss]]: {{spoiler|Tabuu.}} Also, [[Earthbound|Porky]] and Duon.

** Both Lucina as well as Robin were more or less unexpected thanks to the fact that everybody thought Chrom was going to be the Fire Emblem newcomer.

* [[They Just Didn't Care]]: After three games after playing more or less the same, Ganondorf's Smash Bros treatment absolutely ''reeks'' of this. While it's somewhat understandable that he'd be a Captain Falcon clone in ''Melee'', him keeping his clone moveset in not one, but two more games is pretty much inexcusable thanks to the wide array of abilities he has in his home franchise.

** Also, Meta Knight in Brawl. He's so overpowered that he's usually handicapped in competitive play and was outright banned for a while.

** Smash 4 has a surprising example in Yoshi who is already considered to be one of the best characters in the game. Thanks to his high-speed and newfound killing power, Yoshi is ''A LOT'' more annoying to fight than he ever was.

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