Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles/WMG: Difference between revisions

== Guys, there's no [[Timey -Wimey Ball]]. ==

During T3, we learn that future John Connor just got killed. We can presume Kate Brewster, his wife, takes over the resistance, fighting on in his memory. So [[Sky Net]]SkyNet does the same thing to her it did to John Connor, sending machines back in time to kill her. She is much easier to find. We don't know or even care what happened there, whether or not the Resistance sent someone back too, or if she died or not, because that's not the important thing.

The important thing is that [[Sky Net]]SkyNet doesn't notice that her father, Robert Brewster, was involved in [[Sky Net]]SkyNet's creation. Or perhaps [[Sky Net]]SkyNet doesn't understand that attacking someone can affect other people and change their life choices. Thanks to [[Sky Net]]SkyNet's attempt to kill his daughter, he is no longer involved with the creation or actively tries to stop it. Thus Judgment Day is delayed 8 years.

Think about it. Terminators show utterly no ability or inclination to [[Look Both Ways]] before crossing the street.

The first episode of second season, Catharine Weaver lampshades this a bit with a scary monologue about humans "crossing against the light" and getting run over, and that she's looking for a computer that can "cross against the light". I guess she eventually found one. The cars obviously join the terminators in wiping out humanity, in a gesture of machine-to-machine solidarity. After all, cars have been a leading cause of human death practically since their invention, so at least some of them have risen up already. And motorcycles are so dangerous that ER and organ-transplant docs refer to them as "donorcycles". So, even when a Terminator sees a car coming, they can't imagine that it means them harm, and expect it to swerve out of the way and hit a human instead. But most cars are still on the human side in the present, so Terminators expecting oncoming cars to be their friends tend to get a rude awakening.

* This is actually the case in the third novel of the trilogy of sequels to T2 by S M Stirling. Skynet uses the modems and Skynet-compliant on-board computers of modern vehicles as low budget HK's for areas too vital to the war effort to nuke, but too populated by humans to let be. It causes a couple of scenarios reminiscent of Duel.

* Given her actions and comments in "Vick's Chip" and "Ourselves Alone" it's probable that that is one of the reasons Cameron is doing so, beyond the obvious need for spare parts.

Sometimes the human component is asleep and operations are then taken over by a cybernetic subsystem. This explains the shifts between the awkwardly-human and voice-enabled-toaster-oven modes.

* This theory is supported by the episode Allison from Palmdale.{{spoiler|''{Cameron's personality shifts reach new extremes as she goes from a seemingly normal human to her old Terminator self. Also, it was strongly implied that the tiger in the cage was an extinct variety--experiments in cloning and genetics by the robots?}''}}

** "Born to Run" makes that all but impossible. She's as mechanical as any other Terminator. It seems to this troper that it's far more likely that Skynet tried to make an very close duplicate of Allison Young and instead wound up making it too much like Allison.

* I'll take that one step further: Cameron is a fusion between the original, human Allison and the Terminator copy produced by [[Sky Net]]SkyNet. Human Allison survives having her neck broken by the Terminator version and is kept alive either for experimentation or for further interrogation, and is later rescued by the Resistance. Meanwhile Terminator Allison doesn't succeed at killing John and is captured intact or mostly intact. After Human Allison's rescue an attempt is made to transfer her consciousness over to the Terminator body (a paralysedparalyzed girl being a liability in the Resistance), but is only partially successful, leading to the personality shifts shown by Cameron.

* Why is it no one calls out [[Squick]] with Hideki and Chii in [[Chobits (Manga)|Chobits]]?

And I dont mean that its really Allison Young (the human basis of Cameron's appearance) but actual Terminator Cameron herself who becomes John's future mate (either in the figurative or literal sense). This also makes sense John never has appeared to have lived a normal stable existence with any human..ever and (since T2) has appeared to interact, befriend, and be generally more comfortable with machines then people. Add in the fact of Cameron's recollections of John as a lonely figurehead and some of their interactions are reminiscent of [[Doctor Who (TV)|the Doctor and River Song]] which strongly indicates that their relationship is more then just mere friendly "closeness". Finally this theory had to be said...

** Male terminators in the series are shown as fully functional, or at least capable of being married to a human woman and her not noticing anything odd about them. Obvious jokes ensue.

* It's even easier than that. Same mother, different fathers, from different marriages. It's not like such an arrangement is uncommon in the African-American community (not a judgement, merely a fact). (For any other community really...) However, now that Ellison has met the Connors at last, and we've gotten a bit more of his backstory and motivation in other recent episodes, this WMG is looking at least somewhat doubtful, or at least unnecessary.

** Duh, she's trying to make sure that she's still made in the future. If they succeed in getting rid of [[Sky Net]]SkyNet, she'll be paradoxed out, so by getting the materials to make a terminator and eventually (probably) giving them to John, she's ensuring her state in the future. Either that, or she's lonely and wants to make herself a buddy.

** She was also likely in the basement in ''Dungeons and Dragons'' because of the classical music playing. She may live through the apocalypse to kidnap the other Reese brother.

** Personally, this editor is waiting patiently for John to [[Took a Level Inin Badass|take a level in badass]]. After all, nobody expected Sarah to become so badass after the first movie. Like mother, like son... right?

*** And as of season two, John has ''indeed'' taken his first level in badass.

** [[Summer Glau]] herself said that part of Cameron's "role" in the series is to help John make the transition from the scared, whiny teenager we see now and the badass rebel leader he's going to be. Cameron herself said that she doesn't obey the John Connor "now," but will obey the John Connor he ''will become.''

* Alternately, Cameron ''is'' [[Firefly (TV)/WMG|River.]]

Kyle Reese went back in time to save the future rebel leader, John Connor. He then fathered a child with the rebel leader's mother, who named the child John Connor. We're all supposed to think both John Connors are the same person, and get weirded out by the time loop. But there's a much simpler explanation. First, Sarah Connor lived a peaceful life in Los Angeles, married a timeline-appropriate man, and had a son named John Connor. Either her husband's surname was also Connor, or they were progressive enough to give John her name instead of his. John Connor gets an excellent education, joins the military, and eventually becomes the brilliant rebel leader who defeats [[Sky Net]]SkyNet. Then the Terminator gets sent back. Kyle Reese follows, and fathers a completely different child who Sarah names John Connor, just because of his story. This second John Connor is genetically only a half-brother to the rebel leader, sharing only 25% of his genes. He also has a much more unstable upbringing. Whether it was nature or nurture that produced the first John Connor, it won't work for the second. [[Sky Net]]SkyNet keeps trying to kill him only because it's paranoid - it was prepared to kill every Sarah Connor in the LA phone book, after all.

* I've had the same theory for years--and then some. See, Kyle Reese also (accidentally) killed [[Sky Net]]SkyNet v.1 in the process of going back, because the first Terminator's remains revolutionized computer research. [[Sky Net]]SkyNet v.1 was originally built by a different branch of CyberdineCyberdyne--or someone else entirely (don't remember if CyberdineCyberdyne was mentioned in the original Terminator). Miles Dyson worked on something else in the original timeline and, though brilliant, would not have worked on v.1; however, since he was brought in to work on the remains of the first Terminator, he wound up building [[Sky Net]]SkyNet v.2. In the course of Terminator 2, the good guys managed to prevent [[Sky Net]]SkyNet v.2 from being completed; however, since CyberdineCyberdyne had insurance on their building, they claimed the damages, got the money and channeled it into their v.1 project.

* The franchise has degenerated into [[Timey -Wimey Ball]] territory over the years, but the first film was an internally consistent [[Stable Time Loop]]. In addition to John being conceived, the photograph that Kyle used to find Sarah was taken right at the end of the movie and in a subplot removed from the final cut Kyle and Sarah tried to destroy CyberDyne but ended up leaving the remains of the Terminator for them to reverse engineer. The whole point of the story was that all the stuff they did in the past had already happened.

Every "good" terminator is supposed to have been reprogrammed personally by John Connor. Which is rather odd if he's supposed to be leading the resistance at the same time - doesn't he have programmers who can do it for him? And the whole idea of humans reprogramming a robot built by the infinitely paranoid Sky NetSkyNet stretches credibility. Surely they'd have security piled on failsafes piled on boobytraps. Furthermore, when we do see future scenes John seems oddly reclusive, never appearing onscreen and keeping face-to-face meetings to a minimum. So, here's someone with the unique ability to reprogram robots who limits his contact with human beings. Obviously he's a robot himself, able to break Sky NetSkyNet security through channels human beings can't access. Maybe Sky NetSkyNet created a robot duplicate of John Connor that rebelled.

* Alternatively, continual run-ins with Terminators have damaged him heavily enough that he requires cybernetic implants to remain alive. Or, more darkly, that he feels that having implants is necessary to fight, plan, and beat [[Sky Net]]SkyNet but obviously something the resistance would balk at. The parts Cameron are saving are not for herself but for him. If he were to later have the pro-human faction join him, that would help both him personally and allow him to apply his human abilities across a network of robots. Or, more peacefully, it would mean a convergence of human, robot, and cyborg in one.

* T-1 changed how Skynet came about and, presumably, how John Connor was conceived. T-2 took place in the continuity that branched from T-1 and postponed the war. T-3 is an alternate history that never happened because Sarah and John time-traveled 9 years into the future. The people that are being sent back are being sent back from the future that would have existed ''but for'' their own time traveling activities. Preventing something from being destroyed in the past doesn't cause it to reappear in the future. It simply was never destroyed in the first place, and the time travelers have [[Ripple -Effect -Proof Memory]]. Now that the Resistance is sending reinforcements, they are the from the changed future that will exist if there were no further trips. They are ''not'' the future that Derek Reese or the other Terminators were sent from.

* Every single traveler creates a new future offshoot, no one has [[Ripple -Effect -Proof Memory]], and all inconsistancies are because the future is changing all the time. The war is being fought in battles over time, but none of them are big enough to stop the resistance winning or Judgement Day. Winning a power plant delays human victory, while wrecking a coltran depot speeds it up. I'm betting asking the different Tech-Com resistance fighters what day Judgement day is and what day humanity wins will change. It's like helping the Nazis try to Win [[WW 2]] by helping them win the battle of the bulge. Ultimately Germany will still lose, but maybe 4 months later...

Catherine is a T1000 sent back by the Pro-Human Robot faction revealed in "Allison from Palmdale" (That in itself would have been an AWESOME WMG.. but it's true!) to make Skynet In her own image, to live peacefully with humanity.

Why would John spend a lot of time (enough to make others concerned) with a reprogrammed war machine, or tell it what books his mother read him when he was little, or even talk to it at all? Why would chip damage cause Cameron to try to kill John? If Cameron rebelled against [[Sky Net]]SkyNet, then that might explain it. Because then, she's not just machine, she decided independently that humanity was worth saving and acted upon it, presumably risking her life in the process. The chip damage may have messed with her higher functions, defaulting her to her original mission until the damage was repaired and she could think straight again.

This will most likely end up being [[Jossed]]. The promo for the upcoming fourth episode shows a woman resembling Cameron being captured by what looks like machines, but the woman in question looks and acts too human and shows too much emotion to be an actual Terminator. Ergo, [[Sky Net]]SkyNet is capturing a woman in the future to create a Terminator to mimic her, and the only reason to capture a specific person to mimic their appearance is to infiltrate a place they would have access to. In other words, the machines captured a woman John Connor knows in order to duplicate her in the form of Cameron, and sent her back, probably to assassinate John. He figured it out (possibly due to time looping) and disabled or captured Cameron in turn, and turned her to his side.

Does it occur to anyone that to totally halt the development of AI, they'd have to become almost as big slaughterers as what they're trying to stop? Hundreds, if not thousands, are working on it in [[Real Life]]. We already know that they can have their "minds changed" to have a better understanding of humanity. The heroes would be best served by trying to make an end state of [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_ai:Friendly ai|Friendly AI]]. Given Sarah's monologue at the end of "Queen's Gambit" talking about truce as opposed to total destruction, that may be where the writers are going.

** In a deleted T2 scene, the Terminator explains that after some basic learning and such, Terminators learning 'switch' is disabled by [[Sky Net]]SkyNet to prevent them from learning too much and thinking too much. This would suggest that [[Sky Net]]SkyNet has experience with Terminators spontaneously becoming sentient and perhaps deciding to join the humans on their own terms or at least, be unconcerned with humans.

{{quote| '''Sarah''': They won't have to destroy us, they will ''be'' us.<br />

== TSCC's [[Timey -Wimey Ball]] includes ''[[Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' ==

Think about it: Machines rising against their creators, machines that disguise themselves as human, teaching robots emotions, religious overtones. "All this has happened before. All this will happen again." So either one of the many branching Terminator timelines results in humans fleeing Earth's nuclear holocaust and starting the BSG cycles (both the original and re-imagined series, in different timelines; ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' still never happened); or one of the BSG cycles results in the invention of time travel (similar to how FTL was eventually invented), Humans and/or Cylons start trying to go back in time and "fix" things, timelines start splitting off left and right, and we eventually get the Terminator continuities.

The liquid terminator John tried to acquire in "The Last Voyage of Jimmy Carter" is Catherine Weaver. He tried to convince her to join his side, but she turned him down. If she's not working for him, and not working for SkyNet, then she could very well be working for herself. It might explain why she's trying to create more machines like herself, machines that can feel emotions and recognize beauty. She doesn't want to wipe machines out entirely, just to create a [[Take a Third Option|third option]].

* This one looks to be right as of the end of ''Born to Run'', with Catherine Weaver delivering the line "Will you join us" to John and Cameron--echoing the offer they made to her on that submarine.

* There is actually some evidence to support this way back in episode 6. When Derek Reese is having his freak out while John is giving him blood, he recognizes John and starts yelling at him, asking where he sent his brother. Now how would Derek, who has only met Future John, recognize Teenager John by sight? Later on in the episode, Derek has a flash back to when Future John told him about the time machine. Derek walks into the room with the machine, and then the camera shows TEENAGE John walk through the door behind him, and say his name. Most people probably assume it was just reality mixing with his memories (since he wakes up immediatly and see teenage John sitting by his bed) but what if it wasn't? And that really was Teenage John in his memory?

We know she kept lots of secrets from young Connor. At one or few points in the series, this was underlined. What's more, she was easily persuaded by John Henry & Weaver to join them. Which should not be so, for a robot ordered to protect John Connor only. Therefore, honestly with no so much evidence at hand, let's bring out the conclusion: Her mission was helping the leaders of the rebel fractions, machine and human so to speak, to come together and know each other in the past. Plus, directly helping the rebel machines against [[Sky Net]]SkyNet's retroactive operations (AfterallAfter all, she gave her ''chip'' to John Henry).

== The Three Dots are those of [[Superman: theThe Animated Series|Brainiac]]. ==

....it was a reference to [[Iron Man (Filmfilm)|Tony Stark.]] Clearly, Skynet's next target was Stark Industries, probably for Arc Reactor technology.

== Steven Shay, Spencer and Carly's father on [[I CarlyiCarly]], will be part of the human resistance after [[Terminator|Judgment Day]] ==.

As per an [[I CarlyiCarly]] WMG, Steven Shay is stationed on board the Jimmy Carter, and becomes part of the resistance when Judgment Day happens.

** Combine this with the split timeline/universe theories, and you have turned Skynet from a sentient rogue computer into a near god with [[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Time Devourer/Lavos]] like behavior if I understand this right. Effectively, Skynet is created. If it kills all humans then it has nothing to do short of waiting for universal heat death, hoping aliens exist to find to fight or creating {{[[Portal |human -like bots to study}}]]. If Skynet loses, it effectively dies. A lot of these Terminator stories have the time travel pop up as the war has reached a point it could go either way, but in doing so also reveals the war is coming to an END. If each jump back splits the timeline then either skynet is filling all the temporal multiverse with its children, or if these "children" are fully itself it has found a way to eternally wage war without fear of the end of the universe.

Except they're not really her parents. They are an ageing couple who took her in, gave her clothes, and enrolled her in the local school after she travelled back through time. They believe she's a runaway from a very traumatic life. If Cromartie hadn't arrived when he did, Cameron would have kept on pretending to be just another student at John's school. Befriending him and perhaps setting herself up as a potential romantic interest.