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[[Stock Phrases|Stock Phrase]] uttered by someone who's been [[Becoming the Mask|completely subsumed by their alter ego]]. The idea is that they have completely abandoned their past lives to the point where they wouldn't even recognize themselves. It's almost always a major turning point for the character, though there are a few cases where it merely emphasizes what the audience has already observed.
If a genuine hero utters it (though they generally use one of the variations below), it's because their past life was naive, evil, or selfish, and it's a sign that they've overcome their problems in the beginning and are ready to ascend to the grand finale. If an [[Anti
Finally, if a villain utters it to a hero (particularly if they've done a [[Face Heel Turn]], though usually their past life is relegated to [[Backstory]]), it determines their fate: If they speak this line with contempt, then they're irredeemable and will die; if they speak it with regret, then [[The Power of Friendship]] will prove them wrong and... well, [[Redemption Equals Death|they'll probably die anyway]], but they'll feel better about it.
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Compare [[Do Not Call Me Paul]].
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== Anime/Manga ==
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'''Daisuke''': Geh, who'd call you that!? Ken, Ken, Ichijouji Ken!<br />
'''Kaiser''': I'm seriously going to kill you. }}
** ''[[Digimon]]'' also has an example that's made sort of [[Narm|Narmy]] by their tendency toward simply adding a word to an existing name when making names for [[One
*** Then again, Metal Etemon was basically Captain Narm {{spoiler|up until he went and killed Saber Leomon}}.
* Done in a funny/creepy way in the ''[[Excel Saga (Manga)|Excel Saga]]'' manga. Watanabe, who has gone through a long series of cutie breaking moments (culminating in, after finally winning the heart of Hyatt, {{spoiler|having her taken from him by Il Palazzo}}) has become a creepy homicidal whack job addicted to BDSM porn games. After he catches Sumiyoshi in a compromising position with Ropponmatsu 2 (a robot designed to resemble a young girl) he acts completely nonchalant. When Sumiyoshi asks what happened to the old Watanabe, with a psychotic grin on his face, Watanabe calmly says "Oh that guy? He's dead".
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* ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni]]'': "You need to forget about her. If you ever see me after today, the last thing you should do is approach me. The only thing that's going to be alive within me by then will be the demon." Ironically, {{spoiler|even the identity she is referred to as up to that point is an assumed one}}.
** Likewise Rena does this pre-moving back to Hinamizawa and {{spoiler|Rika does a variation in Rei when she breaks away from Berkenstel}}.
* In the last episode of the first season of ''[[Darker Than Black]]'', [[Anti
* In Animerica, {{spoiler|once Kiyone's finally succumbed to his evil side and stabs Lita, he instills fear into her by stating:}}
{{quote| {{spoiler|'''Kiyone''': Your brother no longer exists. You can call me... (smirks evilly) '''demon'''.}} }}
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* In ''[[Transformers Armada]]'', when Wheeljack arrives on Earth, he tells Hotshot that the bot he knew is dead, and the new Wheeljack is a Decepticon.
* In [[Mahou Sensei Negima]], Nagi claims that {{spoiler|Queen Arika has died on that ravine and the Arika that Nagi is with is just plain ol' Arika.}}
* The Lord of Terror episode of ''[[Ah! My Goddess (Manga)|Ah My Goddess]]'':
{{quote| '''Belldandy:''' No, Urd!<br />
'''LOT!Urd:''' Urd...? She no longer exists, and that name is now forgotten. }}
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* [[New Warriors|Speedball]]'s [[Grimdark]] transformation after ''[[Civil War]]'' left no cliche unturned, including this one. "Robbie Baldwin is dead. Speedball is dead. Now it's time for Penance."
* In IDW ''[[Transformers]]'' #125, {{spoiler|Optimus Prime "dies"...and Orion Pax is reborn.}}
* Near the end of ''[[Preacher (Comic Book)]]'', Jesse summons the Saint of Killers using the Saint's mortal remains. When the Saint shows up, he's not impressed and shatters the corpse, saying that the man he was is long dead and what Jesse dug up was just bones and nothing more.
* Inverted in [[Les Legendaires (Comic Book)|Les Legendaires]] in the backstory of [[Barbarian Hero|Razzia]]; as he was a kid, his village, including his own sister, were seemingly slaughtered by an Elite corp of soldiers known as the 1000 Wolves Army. Out of rage after this, the so far pacifist bookworm Razzia gave up his identity and took the alias Korbo, which he then used as he found and killed the 1000 Wolves and eventually joined [[Big Bad]] Darkhell as [[The Dragon]]. Then, during an invasion, he finds out he just fought and killed his own sister, who had actually survived and reveals to him in her dying breath that it was Darkhell who destroyed their village while framing the 1000 Wolves. Infuriated, he then leaves Darkhell's forces, stating that "Korbo is dead and Razzia from Rymar is reborn".
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* ''[http://conceptofzero.livejournal.com/12824.html The Queen is Dead]'', a ''[[Homestuck]]'' fanfic. Note the [[Title Drop]].
* In the ''[[Axis Powers Hetalia]]'' [[Doujinshi]] "From the New World, With Love", [[The British Empire|Britannia]] mockingly tells America that the England he knew as a child is gone now thanks to him having been so deeply hurt by [[The American Revolution|America's revolution]]. {{spoiler|However, America realizes later on that Britannia was lying and that there is in fact ''no'' [[Split Personality]]; 'Britannia' really IS England. It's kind of hard to explain.}}
* In the ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'' fanfic ''[[Dusk and Dawn (Fanfic)|Dusk and Dawn]]'', we get this exchange:
{{quote| '''Eclipse''': ''"You know I don't go by that name anymore."''<br />
'''Applejack''': ''"That don't matter. You'll still always be {{spoiler|Twilight}} to me."'' }}
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* Part of the backstory to ''[[Captain Clegg]]'', when the title character explains how he [[Faking the Dead|faked his death]] and [[Heel Face Turn|became a better person.]]
{{quote| But no man can stand upon the gallows without coming face to face with his soul. And on that day, ''truly'', the old Clegg died.}}
* ''[[Monsters vs. Aliens]]'', as the spaceship is set to [[Self
{{quote| '''Gallaxhar:''' Now we're all gonna die! And there's nothing you can do about it, ''Suuusan''!<br />
'''Susan:''' I wouldn't be too sure. And the name... is Ginormica. }}
* In another [[Dream Works]] film, ''[[Megamind]]'', Metro Man actually does this when it turned out that he had survived being zapped by [[Villain Protagonist|Megamind's]] [[Kill Sat]] and and decides not to be a superhero anymore (he now wants to be a musician instead) despite {{spoiler|Tighten}} planning on destroying the city.
* ''[[Dr. Zhivago]]'': Strelnikov, the brutal [[Reds With Rockets|Bolshevik commander]] who has his own [[Law of Chromatic Superiority|bright red war-train]]. No one has seen his face. Only... he's {{spoiler|the [[Bishonen]] love interest, Pasha Antipov from earlier in the film}} who suffered a [[Heroic BSOD]] after {{spoiler|[[Bus Crash|being run over by Cossacks]]}}! Now he has [[Good Scars, Evil Scars]] and no one may call him by his past name. But he [[You Will Be Spared|lets Dr. Zhivago live]] anyway.
* ''[[The Shining]]'': "Danny isn't here, Mrs. Torrance."
* When Lieutenant John Dunbar of the United States of Army cooly tells his captors and former comrades in ''Lakota'' rather than English that "My name is [[Dances With Wolves]], and I have nothing to say to you" when they offered him his life in return for betraying his new family, his transformation into a true American Indian is finally complete.
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* The title character of ''[[The Sheik]]'' did this after spiting his English heritage and disowning his father:
{{quote| A letter that Lord Glencaryll wrote to him, addressed to Viscount Caryll, which is, of course, his courtesy title, begging for at least an interview, and which he gave to us to forward, was returned unopened, and scrawled across the envelope: "''Inconnu.'' Ahmed Ben Hassan."}}
* [[Spell My Name With a "The"|The]] [[Names to Run Away From Really Fast|Exalted]], Capitan of the warband which was once the 10th company of the ''[[Night Lords]]'', [[Bad Boss|tends to lash out at the nearest bridge officer]] whenever anyone addresses him by his [[Demonic Possession|pre-posession]] name of Vandread.
* Toward the end of [[Ellis Peters]]' ''The Leper of St. Giles'', [[Brother Cadfael (Literature)|Brother Cadfael]] is talking to the man who killed Godfrid Picard {{spoiler|in a duel}}, who he names "Guimar de Massard".
{{quote| '''{{spoiler|Lazarus, once known as Guimar de Massard}}:''' Should I know that name?}}
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{{quote| Terra's heart has been extinguished... ''smothered'' by the darkness within him! }}
* In ''[[Baldurs Gate]] 2'', {{spoiler|Jon Irenicus}} gives a peculiarly sympathetic response to being called {{spoiler|Joneleth.}} "Do not call me that. I lost all right to that name when {{spoiler|the Seldarine stripped me of everything that was elven}}, as you well know."
* It's the same name, but the first form of ''[[Skies of Arcadia (Video Game)|Skies of Arcadia]]'''s final boss says "The {{spoiler|Ramirez}} you knew is already dead, {{spoiler|Fina}}!" to the party right before going [[One
* ''[[Boktai (Video Game)|Lunar Knights]]'' draws on this trope toward the end of Chapter 4. When Ernest recognizes Lucian as {{spoiler|Sartana, his old war buddy}}, Lucian responds with one of these.
* Jack from ''[[Wild Arms 1 (Video Game)|Wild Arms 1]]'' in regards to {{spoiler|his old life as Garret, a knight of Artica}}. In fact, reminding him of this is a good way to [[Berserk Button|piss him off]].
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** You can also invoke it literally when attempting to convince Samantha (a friend from your living days) that you're not...you.
* Most heroes in ''[[Freedom Force]]'' retain some ties to their original identity, but [[Nineties Anti Hero|Tombstone]] completely refuses to be [[Steven Ulysses Perhero|Nathan Graves]], as is observed when he's introduced.
* When confronted in [[Dragon Age]]: Origins, Wynne will claim the [[Demonic Possession|abomination]] Uldred has [[You're Insane!|gone mad]]. In response, he chuckles and says "Uldred? He is gone! I am Uldred and not Uldred. I am MORE than he was."
* One ending in ''[[Guilty Gear]] XX'' has Venom try to call Faust "Dr. Baldhead". Before he can finish the name, Faust smacks him and declares, "That is not who I am any more."
* In ''[[Assassin's Creed]]'', when Altair is preparing to go on the final Jerusalem assassination, he apologizes to Malik for his actions in the past, which resulted in Malik losing his arm and his brother. Malik's response is to refuse to accept Altair's apology, and Altair stoically chooses to accept his rejection. Malik then points out that the Altair standing before him is not the same man who he was before, having grown wiser and more humble than the arrogant man he was before - and thus, he has nothing to apologize for.
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* The ''New [[Captain Scarlet]]'' episode "Homecoming" features a particularly grim variant:
{{quote| '''Commander Lewis:''' "There was a fire on the ''Endeavor''. Your father abandoned ship, then suffocated in a faulty cryotube, clawing at it like a man buried alive scraping at a coffin lid. He's ''dead''. And he isn't coming back."}}
* A variation plays off on in this in the [[Grand Finale]] of ''[[Danny Phantom]]'' that finally lets Jack realize that there is no best-friend-from-college-Vlad, there is only a [[Alas, Poor Villain|villainous man who has unfortunately been corrupted by his own hatred]].
{{quote| '''Vlad:''' You wouldn't turn your back on an old friend, would you?<br />
'''Jack:''' An old friend, no. You? ''YES!'' }}
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{{quote| '''Sally''': "But you're the Pumpkin King!"<br />
'''Jack''': "Not anymore!" * breaks picture* "I feel ''so'' much better now!" }}
* In "Two-Face Part 2" of ''[[Batman:
{{quote| '''Grace''': "Harvey" * puts her hand on his arm* <br />
'''Harvey''': * Looks away from her and pulls away* "My name is Two-Face now..." }}
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'''Captain Black''': The Captain Black you knew is in permanent vacation. }}
* In [[Metalocalypse]], Leonard Rockstein, aka Doctor Rockso, goes into rehab and claims "the clown is dead". Then he had to host Snakes and Barrels' second reunion show...
* In ''[[Adventure Time (Animation)|Adventure Time]]'', the Ice King is a non-voluntary example of this trope. He was driven insane centuries ago and his current identity as the Ice King is a whole other person compared to his original identity, Simon Petrikov. He doesn't seem to remember much about his old life, but he is ashamed of it for seemingly no reason besides that [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|he wore glasses back then.]]
* In one episode of ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'', [[Shrinking Violet|Fluttershy]] learns to be assertive to the point that she becomes a [[Took a Level In Jerkass|jerk]]. When Rarity and Pinkie Pie confront her about it, she yells that she's a New Fluttershy and that Old Fluttershy is never coming back.
* In ''[[The Avengers:
{{quote| '''Hank:''' I know you can't accept this, but I'm done. I'm done with the Avengers. This isn't me anymore.<br />
'''Jan:''' No. You're Ant-Man!<br />
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