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** For that matter, why doesn't his hat ''fall off''? Or the bottom of his tunic flip 'up'. Hell, since Link has no trouble unsheathing his sword at a moment's notice, this troper doubts very much that he fastens it in its scabbard in any way. Imagine the ignominy of being the person who loses the Master Sword in a pit of lava. Just take a deep breath and remember [[MST3K]].
*** That bugged me at first, but the longer I look at his hat, the more it looks like the tip is metal, which would be pulled toward the magnet. I never noticed the tunic, but perhaps it's woven into the chainmail, also pulled by the magnet.
*** Whoever you are, that's absolutely brilliant, I'm completely at ease now. I award you the [[Fan Wank]] [[TV Tropes Made of Win Archive]].
** Related: Link's sword blade is made of metal, and probably >97% iron. Why, then, is it not attracted to the magnetic surfaces?
*** [[A Wizard Did It|Magic. The magic inherent to either the sword or the Triforce of Courage]].
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*** [[The Legend of Zelda Four Swords (Video Game)|You]] [[The Legend of Zelda the Minish Cap|might]] [[The Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass|want]] [[The Legend of Zelda Majoras Mask|to]] [[The Legend of Zelda Links Awakening|rethink]] [[The Legend of Zelda Spirit Tracks|that]] [[The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword|statement]].
** Whats this "connection" business? [[Word of God|Nintendo]] themselves stated that each game is separate, having no "connection" to any other game.
*** [[Word of God]] also states that they're all connected, and there's a big master timeline that they're not showing us. [[Flip
** Palpatine's appearance didn't cause all the awesome to be spontaneously sucked out of Vader, who exemplified [[Evil Is Cool]] from beginning to end (well, except the prequels :-p.) The same can not be said for Ganondorf and Zant.
** [[User:Deuxhero]]: As the YKTTW creator, it was primarily a filler title, but respondents backed its use. I was going to name it Hijacked By Wily, but "Wily" didn't sound [[One Mario Limit]] enough.
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** The developers' reason for doing that is that they didn't want to spoil that Midna was the Twilight Princess, so they used Zelda as a scapegoat so that the players would accept that the title refers to Zelda as opposed to Midna. The in-game reason is that Midna, ashamed of how low she has sunk, doesn't want anybody to know that she, a defeated imp, is the princess of the Twilight Realm. She neglects to tell anyone, and uses her own title to refer to Zelda just to be [[Deadpan Snarker|snarky]]. She outright says she doesn't care about Link, Zelda, or the world of light and probably just wanted to say something to make Zelda feel bad to make herself feel better.
* I'm not bothered by the fact that people like Midna. While I've never really seen anything appealing about her, I understand that [[Your Mileage May Vary|mileages vary]], I mean, look at people's reactions to the N64 ''Zeldas''. But, am I the only one who's noticed she seems kind of... Sue-ish? And I don't mean that as an insult or a compliment, what I mean is... Going down a list of common Mary-Sue qualities, Midna scores pretty high. [[New Powers As the Plot Demands|Pulling unexplained powers out of her ass]]? Check. (The best example I can think of being in the early game when she suddenly takes on the ghostly shapes of a screaming Ilia and Collin when reminding Link how he got into his predicament). [[Why Don't Ya Just Shoot Him|Failure to actually use said powers when faced with problems they could instantly solve]]? Check. (Gee, it sure would be helpful if she threw projectiles like the one she used to break Wolf Link's chain on enemies, or used that disintegration power she used on the Ordon Shield and Sword when you first got them.) Part of a race [[Retcon|awkwardly shoe-horned into the established canon]]? Check. (So if the Goddesses decided that magic-using mortals were so much trouble they needed an eternal time-out in a dimension all their own, why did they let Koume and Kotake or Ganondorf slip by?) High social standing? Check. Erratic characterization? [[Your Mileage May Vary|I'd call that]] a check. ([[Heroic BSOD|"I did that with just a fraction of my ancestor's power?]] [[Angst? What Angst?|*Proceeds to never revisit that train of thought*]]) Romance with the protagonist? [[No Hugging, No Kissing|As close to a check as this series has gotten so far.]] [[Beautiful All Along|Flaunted Beauty?]] Check. (''[[Heroic Mime|Am I so beautiful that]] [[Lampshade Hanging|you have no words left?]]'') Once again, I'm not trying to insult her or her fans, this is just an observation that seems pretty obvious to me and I'm surprised that only I seem to have made it. ([[Complaining About People Not Liking the Show|Not like that's going to stop a depressingly high number of them from seeing it like that]], [[Fan Dumb|given the fandom's track record]], but hey, no harm in hoping the irrationally angry will just blog about what a twat I am for insulting their favorite character rather than spew their bile at me directly.)
** Midna definitely has a lot of Sueish qualities, but some of them moreso than others. She doesn't use her powers to help Link in the beginning because, frankly, she is being a lazy jerk and doesn't feel like helping more than she has to. The erratic characterization point is definitely a YMMV as well; many people see it as mere shock/surprise rather than a full on Heroic BSOD, and Midna follows up the realization that she has that much power by using the full scope of it twice -- once to destroy {{spoiler|the barrier around the castle}} and the other when she {{spoiler|attacks Ganon all by herself.}} In a lot of ways, Midna acts as a co-protagonist with Link, and the title of the game reflects her general importance in it. This fact doesn't make her less sueish regarding the Legend of Zelda series as a whole, but having protagonist billing tends to explain a great deal about why a character has certain attributes. Link, as protagonist, is amazingly attractive, has women falling all over him, is one of two or three people from the Light Realm who doesn't become a spirit in the Twilight Realm, which quality marks him as a legendary hero where the Twili are concerned, has a grand destiny (again), can pick up any skill required of him in a short time (it's even lampshaded), is brave and cheerful from what we can tell, despite everything that's happened to him, and he's on good terms with if not actively revered by everyone who isn't evil. The big difference in Twilight Princess is that usually Link shares the spotlight with Zelda (who has a lot of sueish traits as well), and Midna is an entirely new character. Which is why you have to be careful with interjecting new characters into canon, because [[Your Mileage May Vary]] comes strongly into play and traits that people accept from longrunning characters are very obviously sueish in new ones.
*** Both of you have a good point, but I can definitely see where the OP is coming from on this. Link seems considerably less Sue-ish than Midna precisely because Midna is a "lazy jerk who doesn't feel like helping" in the beginning, whereas Link being the player character means that you are the one doing almost all of the work here, so it feels like you are getting complimented yourself when the characters say all these awesome things about Link. Again, I also realize that [[Your Mileage May Vary|mileages can vary]], but it's partly because Midna can very easily be seen as a [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad]] even without all the erratically-developed powers/flaunted beauty/etc. that some people see her as a Sue.
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