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{{quote|''"Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other."''|'''[[Benjamin Franklin]]''' }}
Sometimes, the [[Trickster Mentor]] or [[Zen Survivor]] has [[An Aesop|a lesson]] to teach the younger folks for which words won't
Differs from [[Figure It Out Yourself]] in that in that trope the 'student' knows that they need some important information and the 'mentor' blatantly refuses to give it, while in this one, the student is usually oblivious to the fact that a lesson is being given at all until the moment of illumination.
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{{examples}}
== [[Literature]] ==
* Ender from ''[[Ender's Game]]'' is put under a series of trials by his {{spoiler|seemingly negligent adult supervisors in order to balance his kindness with ruthlessness, making him unafraid to kill when a crucial decision must be made -- he ends up (unintentionally) killing two people to complete his main training. [[Trickster Mentor|Mazer Rackham]] then ruthlessly punishes him in physical combat until he learns to let go of his instinctive mercy.}}
* In ''[[The Dresden Files]]'', Harry's lessons for Molly Carpenter, a reforming Warlock, involve this. He tells his cop buddy Murph that she's the kind of person you "have to keep knocking on her ass" because "If I don't, if I let her recover her balance before she gets smart enough to figure out ''why'' she should be doing things instead of just ''how'' to do them, or ''if'' she can do them, she'll start doing the 'right' thing again. She'll break the Laws again, and they'll kill her."
** Another example shows up when he first takes her on: he throws a miniature sun at her face and screams at her to make him stop it.
** Once Molly finally does learn those lessons, signified by a bracelet he'd had her wearing breaking, Harry explains that his own mentor put him through much the same thing.
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* In ''[[Knights of the Old Republic]]'', the [[Old Master|Jedi masters]] actually let a Jedi fall to [[The Dark Side]] in order to teach her the dangers of letting her emotions control her. They send the player character to [[Defeat Means Friendship|redeem her]], in order to teach him the same lesson.
** As might be expected from a game with a [[Karma Meter]], you can subvert this trope by taunting her for her weakness, mercilessly killing her and then continue your path down [[The Dark Side]] merrily [[Kick the Dog|kicking puppies]] along the way.
** And Kreia in ''Knights of the Old Republic II''.
*** Kreia defines this trope. There's even a scene on Nar Shadda, where you can choose to help a person in debt or not. Either way, she berates you and shows what happens for the worse, in an attempt to show you how far reaching your actions are. {{spoiler|This is relevant because basically her whole motive for setting the events in KOTOR II into action is based on this philosophy.}}
* Valve accidentally revealed the "Meet The Spy" video for ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'' before it's official unveiling - and subsequently added a "Valve Corporate Achievement" for "Failing to understand what 'Private' means on YouTube." The heading for it was "It's the only way we'll learn."
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** Kakashi's first challenge is to seize [[MacGuffin|two bells]] from his person. Fail to get a bell, fail the test, yet there are ''three'' students. The lesson is to ignore the built-in incentive for competition and work as a team. (Later we learn that this method is a strange, sadistic tradition amongst the Hogake-trained line.) They fail to realize this and are punished by only two of them eating lunch while the other watchs (guess who), which was ''another'' test of character. They give Naruto food despite the rules and pass.
** Jiraiya gets impatient teaching Naruto how to release chakra. So he pushes Naruto into a deep canyon so that he releases his chakra in a panicked rush. Yes... That is ''truly'' the ONLY way Naruto could learn it.
** Ebisu wants to teach Naruto to walk on water, and gives a decent explaination how... but thinks it best that Naruto's practice water be boiling hot. [[Training
** Recently, when sages tried to explain the fusion of different types of energy into the body, Naruto was at a loss. So one of the sages '''literally''' gave an [[Ice Cream Koan]].
{{quote|'''Gamakichi:''' It's like how ice cream is even better when you add mint to the chocolate and vanilla swirl.
'''Papa:''' That's even harder to understand!!
'''Naruto:''' Oh! I get it!
'''Gamakichi:''' Hehehe... That's just how Naruto is... }}
* In ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist]]'', Izumi Curtis leaves Ed and Al, then just kids, to survive a month on an island without using alchemy because, apparently, that's
** Played with in Izumi's own training in an omake. She was put in the same situation, learned a slightly different lesson...only to discover she trained under the WRONG TEACHER! The alchemy teacher was next door, she got the survivalist! One quick beatdown later, she is on her unique path...
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