Topic on All The Tropes talk:Administrivia

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Okay, I've started actually doing this. I'm going to use this message to list the pages I've gone through and what "categories" (mostly as listed by Rob in the OP, plus others as I think of them) I think they go in, as I go through them one at a time. Discussion basically can start as soon as I do. <grin>
Okay, I've started actually doing this. I'm going to use this message to list the pages I've gone through and what "categories" (mostly as listed by Rob in the OP, plus others as I think of them) I think they go in, as I go through them one at a time. Discussion basically can start as soon as I do. <grin>


'''''As of 4:30PM EDT 26 April 2022, the following covers everything found on [[All The Tropes:Administrivia]] and in [[:Category:Administrivia|Category:Administrivia]] (which are not the same). I still need to through [[:Category:Wiki Policy|Category:Wiki Policy]].'''''
'''''The following list covers everything found on [[All The Tropes:Administrivia]] and in [[:Category:Administrivia|Category:Administrivia]] (which are not the same), in [[:Category:Wiki Policy|Category:Wiki Policy]], and in the project namespace.'''''


'''General Policy'''
'''General Policy'''
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*[[All The Tropes:Content Usage Guidelines]]
*[[All The Tropes:Content Usage Guidelines]]
*[[All The Tropes:Bots]]
*[[All The Tropes:Bots]]
**[[All The Tropes:Constant Bot Jobs]]
*[[All The Tropes:IRC]] -- Outdated, mentions our presence on Freenode
*[[All The Tropes:IRC]] -- Outdated, mentions our presence on Freenode
*[[All The Tropes:Writer Bashing]] -- definitely a policy, overly short
*[[All The Tropes:Writer Bashing]] -- definitely a policy, overly short
*[[All The Tropes:General disclaimer]]
*[[All The Tropes:Terms of Service]]
*[[All The Tropes:The Troper's Code]]
*[[All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff]]
*[[All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here]]
*[[All The Tropes:Bureaucrats]]
*[[All The Tropes:Contact us]]
*[[All The Tropes:Content Dumps]]
*[[All The Tropes:Content Guidelines]]
*[[All The Tropes:Copyrights]]
*[[All The Tropes:Goals]]
*[[All The Tropes:Language policy]]
*[[All The Tropes:Strong Language Usage Rules]] -- not found in any policy category; only categorized under "Style Guide"
*[[All The Tropes:Literary Criticism]]
*[[All The Tropes:How to Get a Rule Changed]]
*[[All The Tropes:Multiple Points of View]]
*[[All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness]]
*[[All The Tropes:There is No One True Way]]
*[[All The Tropes:Terms of Service]]
*[[All The Tropes:Troping is Fun]]
*[[All The Tropes:What we aren't]]
*[[All The Tropes:Who we are]]
*[[All The Tropes:Why Fork TV Tropes]]
*[[All The Tropes:There Is No Such Thing as Notability]]
*[[All The Tropes:Thread Mode]]

'''FAQs'''
*[[All The Tropes:FAQ]] -- Needs a comprehensive rewrite. What we have looks skimpy, even if it links to lots of info
*[[All The Tropes:FAQ for Creators]]
*[[All The Tropes:New User Introduction]]
*[[All The Tropes:So You're a TV Tropes Refugee]]
*[[All The Tropes:Tropers for Creation]]
*[[All The Tropes:Wikizen Introduction]]


'''Manual of Style'''
'''Manual of Style'''
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**[[All The Tropes:Everything's Worse With Snowclones]] -- Likewise.
**[[All The Tropes:Everything's Worse With Snowclones]] -- Likewise.
*[[All The Tropes:Style Guide]]
*[[All The Tropes:Style Guide]]
**[[All The Tropes:Style Guide/Spoilers]]
**[[All The Tropes:American and Commonwealth Spellings]] -- good subpage for the Style Guide, small enough that maybe we should just roll it in.
**[[All The Tropes:American and Commonwealth Spellings]] -- good subpage for the Style Guide, small enough that maybe we should just roll it in.
*[[All The Tropes:About Rhetorical Questions]] -- not entirely sure this is worth keeping
*[[All The Tropes:About Rhetorical Questions]] -- not entirely sure this is worth keeping
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*[[All The Tropes:Example Indentation in Trope Lists]] -- This should be covered in the Style Guide
*[[All The Tropes:Example Indentation in Trope Lists]] -- This should be covered in the Style Guide
*[[All The Tropes:Signal to Noise Train Wreck]]
*[[All The Tropes:Signal to Noise Train Wreck]]
*[[Thread Mode]] -- Should be moved into project namespace, or rolled into one of the other help pages
*[[Thread Mode]] -- Inferior alternative to [[All The Tropes:Thread Mode]]
*[[Sinkhole]] -- Should be moved into project namespace and made a subpage of the Style Guide. But see Pothole, Dead link and Red Link below.
*[[Sinkhole]] -- Should be moved into project namespace and made a subpage of the Style Guide. But see Pothole, Dead link and Red Link below.
*[[All The Tropes:This Troper]] -- Very brief, its content probably should be rolled into the Style Guide and then turned into a redirect to the relevant section of the page
*[[All The Tropes:This Troper]] -- Very brief, its content probably should be rolled into the Style Guide and then turned into a redirect to the relevant section of the page
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*[[All The Tropes:Multi-Part Picture]]
*[[All The Tropes:Multi-Part Picture]]
*[[All The Tropes:Grammar]] -- Cute and informative, but not exactly grammar ''help''. The few links to it clearly aren't expecting it to be what it is. Probably best rolled into the Style Guide.
*[[All The Tropes:Grammar]] -- Cute and informative, but not exactly grammar ''help''. The few links to it clearly aren't expecting it to be what it is. Probably best rolled into the Style Guide.
**[[All The Tropes:Tips on Grammar]]: The ''real'' grammar help page
*[[All The Tropes:How to Alphabetize Things]] -- keep but make sure the alphabetizing section of the Style Guide is consistent with it
*[[All The Tropes:How to Alphabetize Things]] -- keep but make sure the alphabetizing section of the Style Guide is consistent with it
*[[All The Tropes:No Trope Is Too Common]] -- We should pair this up somehow with [[People Sit on Chairs]] in a compare/contrast context
*[[All The Tropes:No Trope Is Too Common]] -- We should pair this up somehow with [[People Sit on Chairs]] in a compare/contrast context
*[[Stubs]] -- Again, should be moved into project namespace. Might be more a general help page than a style page
*[[Wiki Word]] -- Another for the project namespace, although its subject is covered by several other pages on the site and we probably don't need it.
*[[Wiki Word]] -- Another for the project namespace, although its subject is covered by several other pages on the site and we probably don't need it.
*[[All The Tropes:Word Cruft]]
*[[All The Tropes:Word Cruft]]
*[[All The Tropes:External Links Guide]] -- duplicates info in the style guide; we should probably roll it into it.
*[[All The Tropes:Example as a Thesis]] -- redirect to the category of the same name
*[[All The Tropes:Square Peg, Round Trope]] -- if it's not considered a simple help page


'''Help Pages'''
'''Help Pages'''
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*[[Finding a Trope]] -- Rather skimpy, could stand some expansion, and as a help page should be in the project namespace.
*[[Finding a Trope]] -- Rather skimpy, could stand some expansion, and as a help page should be in the project namespace.
*[[All The Tropes:Loaded Trope Word]]
*[[All The Tropes:Loaded Trope Word]]
*[[All The Tropes:Namespaces]]
*[[All The Tropes:What Page Types Mean]] -- Needs to be rolled into a more general overview of how we organize the wiki
**[[All The Tropes:What Page Types Mean]] -- Duplicates [[All The Tropes:Namespaces]], needs to be rolled into a more general overview of how we organize the wiki
*[[All The Tropes:How to Get a Rule Changed]]
*[[All The Tropes:List of Image License Templates]] -- Needs to be strongly linked on other image help pages
*[[All The Tropes:List of Image License Templates]] -- Needs to be strongly linked on other image help pages
*[[All The Tropes:About]] -- Probably the best place to start with reorganizing everything for readability and ease of access
*[[All The Tropes:About]] -- Probably the best place to start with reorganizing everything for readability and ease of access
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**[[The Same but More]]
**[[The Same but More]]
**[[All The Tropes:Too Rare to Trope]]
**[[All The Tropes:Too Rare to Trope]]
*[[All The Tropes:Be Creative]]
*[[All The Tropes:Brevity Is Wit]] -- We cover this on other pages, usually when bringing up conciseness
*[[All The Tropes:Creating a Page by Hand]] -- Needs to be updated to reflect Rob's footer templates
*[[All The Tropes:Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them]]
*[[All The Tropes:Glossary]]
*[[All The Tropes:Needs a Better Title]]
*[[All The Tropes:SocialProfile]] -- Outdated, has a largish section on the Friend/Foe feature we've disabled
*[[All The Tropes:Tabs]]
*[[All The Tropes:Babel]]
*[[All The Tropes:Not a Deconstruction]]
*[[All The Tropes:Not a Subversion]]
*[[All The Tropes:Self Explanatory]] -- Do we really need this?
*[[All The Tropes:Take It to the Forums]]
*[[All The Tropes:Trope Decay]]
*[[All The Tropes:Tropes Are Flexible]]
*[[All The Tropes:Tropes Are Not Bad]]
*[[All The Tropes:Tropes Are Not Good]]
*[[All The Tropes:Tropes Are Tools]]


'''Established Functionality'''
'''Established Functionality'''
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*[[You Know That Thing Where]] -- A redirect to the Workshop, listed as a separate topic
*[[You Know That Thing Where]] -- A redirect to the Workshop, listed as a separate topic
*[[Forum:Trope Talk]] -- Yet another link to the forums
*[[Forum:Trope Talk]] -- Yet another link to the forums
*[[All The Tropes:Featured Article]] -- Outdated. We haven't actively worked on the Featured Article issue since 2016.
*[[All The Tropes:Userboxes]]


'''Wiki Maintenance Pages and Tools'''
'''Wiki Maintenance Pages and Tools'''
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*[[All The Tropes:How to Do A Wick Check]]
*[[All The Tropes:How to Do A Wick Check]]
*[[Missing Supertrope]] -- Needs to be moved into project namespace, and referenced somewhere useful
*[[Missing Supertrope]] -- Needs to be moved into project namespace, and referenced somewhere useful
*[[All The Tropes:Community Portal]]
*[[:Category:Needs Wiki Magic Love|Category:Needs Wiki Magic Love]] -- As a "container category" for other categories it has no contents of its own; there's no need to link it off Administrivia or a similar page. The Community Portal serves that purpose better, and lists far more "fix me" categories than it does. Similarly, most of its sub-points on Administrivia are amply served by the portal:
*[[:Category:Needs Wiki Magic Love|Category:Needs Wiki Magic Love]] -- As a "container category" for other categories it has no contents of its own; there's no need to link it off Administrivia or a similar page. The Community Portal serves that purpose better, and lists far more "fix me" categories than it does. Similarly, most of its sub-points on Administrivia are amply served by the portal:
**[[:Category:Needs a Better Description|Category:Needs a Better Description]]
**[[:Category:Needs a Better Description|Category:Needs a Better Description]]
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**[[:Category:Works Needing Tropes|Category:Works Needing Tropes]]
**[[:Category:Works Needing Tropes|Category:Works Needing Tropes]]
**[[List of Works That Need Summary]] -- This should probably be turned into a category like the other "needs work" listings
**[[List of Works That Need Summary]] -- This should probably be turned into a category like the other "needs work" listings
*[[:Category:Example Sectionectomy|Category:Example Sectionectomy]] -- on the assumption that there are still pages listed here that could profit from having their examples restored. If not, this should become a policy page.
*[[:Category:Example Sectionectomy|Category:Example Sectionectomy]] -- In this section on the assumption that there are still pages listed here that could profit from having their examples restored. If not, this should become a policy page.
*[[All The Tropes:Wick]]
*[[All The Tropes:Wick]]
*[[All The Tropes:No Real Life Examples, Please]] -- A worklist with two entries on it that have been there since last fall
*[[All The Tropes:Pages needing standard headers]]
*[[All The Tropes:Things that need fixing]]
**[[All The Tropes:Things that need fixing/Things to Do]]


'''Simple Content'''
'''Simple Content'''
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*[[Pothole]] -- Yet another definition, another possible contender for a move into the project namespace. Maybe.
*[[Pothole]] -- Yet another definition, another possible contender for a move into the project namespace. Maybe.
*[[Red Link]] -- Again, a definition. If Dead Link and Pothole go into the project namespace, so should this.
*[[Red Link]] -- Again, a definition. If Dead Link and Pothole go into the project namespace, so should this.
*[[All The Tropes:Ascended Bin Titles]]
*[[All The Tropes:Complaining About Shows You Don't Like]]
*[[All The Tropes:This Index Is Not an Example]] -- An index page that could probably be turned into a category
*[[All The Tropes:Troper Critical Mass]]
*[[All The Tropes:Weirdest Inbound Link of the Day]]


'''Simply Unneeded'''
'''Simply Unneeded'''
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*[[Wild Mass Guessing/Programme Note]]: The content of this page should be added to that already on [[:Category:Wild Mass Guessing|Category:Wild Mass Guessing]]. ''Nothing'' points to it but [[Administrivia]].
*[[Wild Mass Guessing/Programme Note]]: The content of this page should be added to that already on [[:Category:Wild Mass Guessing|Category:Wild Mass Guessing]]. ''Nothing'' points to it but [[Administrivia]].
*[[Known Troper]] -- Defines a term we don't use, even though we note the ATT equivalent. The only thing linking to it is the Glossary
*[[Known Troper]] -- Defines a term we don't use, even though we note the ATT equivalent. The only thing linking to it is the Glossary
*[[All The Tropes:Yes, We DO Have This One]] -- a stock phrase which shouldn't even need a definition page


'''Policies Subject to Tempbans If Violated'''
'''Policies Subject to Tempbans If Violated'''
*("How We Do Bans Around Here", which defines most reasons for tempbans, is listed under "General Policy", above.)
*Nothing Yet
*Nothing Yet


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'''Too TVT-specific to save'''
'''Too TVT-specific to save'''
*[[All The Tropes:Flame Bait]] -- All about tropes that caused flame wars on TVT, none of which ever showed up here.
*Nothing Yet

Okay, now that I'm done with this, the first thing that jumps out at me is that we have been horribly inconsistent in the categories we apply to the various policy pages, as well as linking to some of them. We need a massive reorganization, starting with master top-level pages for things like Policies, Help and Style that list everything (suitably organized) relevant in a single place.

When I suggest rolling a page into another page, we should keep the page as a redirect to the page into which it was incorporated, preferably with a link to the specific section it became.


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