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** In the [[Dragon Age Origins|previous game,]] you recuse Queen Anora from Arl Howe's estate. On your way out, you're confronted with Ser Cauthrien and a number of guards who charge you with breaking and entering and murder of the Arl. You'd think having the captive Queen on hand would get you to get out of the situation without bloodshed, but drop her name and reveal her and she instead pins her kidnapping on you and your companions.
*** No, that was ''necessary''. She even explains why the ruse after you return.
**** Her explanation is not entirely convincing and conveniently fails to address the part where getting you captured at that point would lock out any option Arl Eamon might have save supporting her own claim for the throne<ref>While she doesn't know about how the Archdemon dies at that point, she does know that removing any redundancy in available Gray Wardens means Alistair has to stay and fill whatever role they are going to play in the upcoming conflict instead of stay behind and get involved in politics.</ref>, which would be massively convenient for her at the expense of your life.
* The Council of ''[[Mass Effect]]'' certainly acts like this toward Shepard. Virtually any major decision in the first game will be second-guessed by them, even actions carried out by a force you had no authority over.
** Carries over to the second game. The original Council, which owes you their lives, refuses to believe the Reapers exist and only grudgingly gives you your SPECTRE status back. If it's the human council, who owe their position to you, they won't even speak with you and only Anderson can get you reinstated.
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** There are several demons who will allow you to begin negotiations with them, ask them to be your demon, make demands of you... and then ''refuse to join you anyway''. These demons are all of either the Law or Chaos alignments (they include Angel, Oni, and Lilim), and will not pull this on you if you're of the same alignment. Thankfully, there's a Sub App called "Tea Amity" that forces them to reconsider their refusal; once they reconsider, they will ''always'' agree to join you.
* At the End of [[Saints Row the Third]] {{spoiler|if you rescue Shaundi, she berates you at first asking why he lets so many of his other friends die. She gets a cold "Shut Up" from The Boss afterwards showing that he really took that personally.}}
 
 
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