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* [[Values Dissonance|To a non-Japanese audience]], Momotaro from the [[Wartime Cartoon|World War II propaganda film]] ''Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors'' comes off as a [[Complete Monster]] rallying [[Beware the Nice Ones|adorable]] [[Killer Rabbit|animals]] together to go to war and brutally kill British soldiers.
* Haruna from '' [[Tenchi Muyo!|Tenchi Forever]]'' is supposed to be a sympathetic [[Anti-Villain]]; a woman dead before she can live her romance with the man she loves and whose soul feels so alone, than she is trying to recreate this love story with the grandson of her former lover. What many viewers see is a bitch who kidnaps, brainwashes and ''rapes'' a teenage boy.
* [[Broken Base|For many viewers]], Mahiru Inami of ''[[Working!!]]''. We're supposed to feel pity because [[Does Not Like Men|she can't help but punch any man that comes across]], but that's something really hard to sympathize with, especially as she doesn't seem to do much to fix it. She also gets a romance plot with the main guy that is supposed to be endearing, but fails because it just looks abusive (and when the guy complains about being punched, [[AbuseDouble IsStandard Okay When ItsAbuse (Female Onon Male)|he's the one shown as the bad guy]]).
* ''[[GE - Good Ending]]'' has Yuki, one of the main protagonists in the series. A good part of the manga is spent trying to get Utsumi, the protagonist, help her deal with her [[Broken Bird]] issues, only to have her throw everything out the window by asking him to rape her, in order to overwrite the bad memories she had with her previous boyfriend. Utsumi [[What the Hell, Hero?|calls her out on it]], so she dumps him because he's always too nice to her.
* ''[[Naruto]]'' falls into this sometimes as well.
** Sasuke seems to be meant to be seen as a morally gray character being led down the wrong path by his obsession with revenge, but to a number of fans his [[Chronic Backstabbing Disorder]], recent descent into mass murder of Samurai he could have easily defeated non-lethally, and callous disregard for how many people have to suffer for his own emotional satisfaction has caused a number of fans to consider him a [[Complete Monster]] that does not deserve Naruto's goodwill.
** Similarly, the [[Belated Backstory]] of the legendary "Salamander" Hanzo, the ninja against whom the Sannin won their titles by ''surviving'' a battle with him sets Hanzo up as a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] who lost sight of his goals but is honored in defeat by his rival as a man who strove for peace. [[You Keep Using That Word|By starting a lot of wars and turning his homeland into an unlivable hellhole that produced the most psychologically broken, defeated human beings in the series, just because he was arrogant enough to think his strength could unite the world.]] Most fans still consider Hanzo an utterly unsympathetic character whose violent death at Pain's hands was richly deserved, as his claim of good intentions didn't make him any less of a paranoid warmongering dictator.
* The early ''[[Pokémon]]'' episode "Challenge of the Samurai!" has [[Character of the Day|Samurai]] constantly shame and browbeat Ash for not taking responsibility for his blunders, such as failing to catch a Weedle and allowing that Weedle to rile up a swarm of Beedrill that end up kidnapping his Metapod. The problem is, Ash's "blunders" are mistakes ''Samurai'' made in the first place. ''He'' stopped Ash from catching the Weedle by demanding a Pokémon battle at swordpoint, making it his fault that an angry Beedrill swarm are attacking them. But the episode treats Ash owning up to Samurai's mistakes as him learning his lesson as opposed to resigning himself to being the victim of Samurai's self-righteous [[Never My Fault]] mentality.
* Even after Yukiha became just as evil as her own rapist in ''[[The Girl in the Library: Until The Pure You Falls From Grace]]'', the writer, Amare Are, still expected people to feel sorry for her even though she ceased to be a victim when she decided to be Masami's [[Sex Slave]] than with Aida who genuinely loved her.
* Todoroki's mother in ''[[My Hero Academia]]'' is viewed as this by half of the [[Broken Base]] surrounding her and her treatment of her son. Thanks to years of awful, sustained abuse by her husband Endeavor, she had a mental breakdown and mutilated Todoroki's face with boiling water due to mistaking him for his dad. While [[My God, What Have I Done?|she apologized the second she realized what happened]] and deeply regrets what happened years after the fact, many fans find that she was ''way'' too [[Easily Forgiven]] by Todoroki and his siblings due to the belief that no matter the circumstances that led to it, child abuse is vile and inexcusable. And it doesn't help that she didn't merely slap or hit him: she ''burned his face to the point of scarring''.
 
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*** As if it wasn't bad enough that Zinnia endangered Earth by helping Team Aqua/Magma trigger an apocalypse so she could get Rayquaza to swoop in and save the day, she does it ''twice''. And the second time she does it, she severely undercuts whatever good intentions she has by acting like a rude and condescending [[Smug Snake]] who deliberately sabotages safer attempts at preventing a meteor strike so she can act morally superior to Professor Cosmo and Steven, who had no way of knowing that their plan to transport the meteor to another dimension would have endangered that dimension's Earth in return. She also commits several acts of assault and burglary on top of that, and had it not been for sheer dumb luck, her plan to summon Rayquaza to destroy the meteor would have backfired and gotten everyone killed. And yet she's never taken to task over her actions, making her come off as worse than Archie and Maxie, who at least genuinely repented when they saw what their actions led to.
*** Depending on the game, Matt or Courtney start causing trouble to avenge their boss, who's bummed out after their defeat in the main campaign. While it isn't right, it's at least understandable. But what's a lot less understandable is the fact that they deliberately try to [[Disproportionate Retribution|'''destroy the world''']] over it. Despite inexplicably turning into [[Omnicidal Maniac|Omnicidal Maniacs]] on par with [[Pokémon X and Y|Lysandre]], they get off with a slap on the wrist and ''their bosses'' are the ones who have to apologize for their sudden descent into batshit insanity.
** The narrative of ''[[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]'' tries its best to paintmake {{spoiler|Lusamine}} asout to be a flawed, but otherwise good woman who was ultimately a victim of {{spoiler|Nihilego}}'s corrupting influence. However, her sadistic cruelty, abhorrent treatment of her children, and sociopathic tendencies in general make her look far worse than the developers intended. And it doesn't help that we don't see ''any'' of her genuinely good and altruistic deeds on-screen, making {{spoiler|Lillie}}'s assertions that she was a loving mother in the past feel like she's in denial of the monster {{spoiler|Lusamine}} really was. Not even {{spoiler|Nihilego}}'s influence is the get-out-of-jail-free card that the developers intended, because its venom doesn't brainwash people so much as it brings out their worst traits, making her come off as a bad woman turned worse rather than a good woman warped into an unrecognizable psycho.
** In theory, {{spoiler|Chairman Rose}} from ''[[Pokémon Sword and Shield]]'' is a sympathetic, if misguided [[Anti-Villain]] whose patriotism and fear for the future cause him to take extreme measures to protect the Galar region from an impending energy crisis. But the attempts at making him sympathetic fall flat, not because he's too evil or crosses any major lines... but rather, because he's dangerously ''stupid''. {{spoiler|Galar's energy crisis isn't going to be a problem for '''thousands of years''', yet he's so impatient and eager to use the vicious Eternatus as an energy source that he can't wait ''a single day'' to execute his master plan in a way that ''won't'' endanger an entire stadium of innocent civilians despite Leon's warnings}}. The fact that he ''is'' deeply remorseful for what he's done to the point of turning himself in to the police takes the edge off a bit, but a lot of players still feel that he comes off looking like an impatient dumbass instead of a noble [[Tragic Villain]].
* Rocket Raccoon from ''[[Guardians of the Galaxy (2021 video game)|Guardians of the Galaxy]]'' is presented as a [[Jerk With a Heart of Gold|lovable asshole]] whose heart is in the right place, but [[Jerkass|the execution]] makes it hard to like him, let alone love him. He constantly whines, bitches, and complains about everything Peter "Star Lord" Quill does, and won't hesitate to throw tantrums that compromise the team's missions. ''Every single time'' the Guardians hit a snag in their plans he'll chew out Peter, culminating in him {{spoiler|''briefly ditching the team'' in the middle of an important mission}}, and even after {{spoiler|he rejoins}} he'll still loudly complain and tear into Peter over the smallest thing. While you can have Peter call him out at multiple points, he often doubles down on his obnoxious behavior and [[Never My Fault|never genuinely apologizes for the way he acts]], making him feel like every bit the manchild that Peter is often accused of being.
* The fall of Repliforce in ''[[Mega Man X4]]'' is treated as a tragedy, one where its members are wrongfully accused of going Maverick and are killed thanks to the manipulations of Sigma and the paranoia of humans and Maverick Hunters alike. But while individual members like General and Iris ''are'' easy to feel bad for, that doesn't quite work for the rest of them. After suspicious circumstances place Repliforce at ground zero of a terrorist attack, Colonel refuses to disarm and come in for questioning. He instead decides to declare war, making him responsible for everything going wrong out of a sense of stubborn, pigheaded pride. Shortly afterward you have Repliforce start what's essentially a robot ethnostate in outer space, on an orbital space station with a ''planet-busting superweapon pointed directly at the Earth''. And when you go after members of Repliforce causing trouble around the world, they're usually outright ''giddy'' at the prospect of going to war and fighting X and Zero. In the case of Jet Stingray and Storm Owl, a few of them are even leading military assaults on civilian populations, with Stingray being noted to have destroyed an ''entire city'' before you get to him. It's really hard to buy Repliforce as victims of circumstance when they go out of their way to act like a bunch of murderous, warmongering assholes.
* ''[[Crusader of Centy]]'' paints its monsters as innocent, misunderstood victims of discrimination from humans, with the [[An Aesop|Aesop]] being not to judge or hurt those who are different from you. Now while you ''do'' see examples of monsters being unfairly attacked by humans ([[Hero of Another Story|Amon]] attacking the Slime family unprovoked, monsters being imprisoned in the king's dungeons without doing anything bad), the problem is that it's usually the monsters that are attacking people and animals for no good reason. Whether it's the Big Bad Wolf trying to kill and eat a defenseless old woman, the Puppet Master attacking and leaving Dodo for dead, or hell, ''every single enemy attacking you the second you're within their sights'', it's very easy to lose sympathy for their plight. Especially once the [[Humans Are The Real Monsters]] preaching goes in full-swing after the boss fight with Maldra, who you're shamed for killing all out of a lust for power... despite the fact that it's as clear cut of an example of killing in self-defense as it can get.
* This trope is why Therese is [[The Scrappy]] of ''[[Octopath Traveler]]'': despite knowing just how [[Oblivious to Love]] Cyrus is, she's so jealous of Princess Mary trying to make romantic advances on him that she decides to ruin his life out of petty revenge by spreading rumors of him being guilty of ''sexual misconduct''. This gets him fired from Atlasdam's Royal Academy, and while he's okay with it since it gives him an excuse to leave and set out on a hunt for a stolen [[Tome of Eldritch Lore]], it doesn't change the fact that, in her own words, she just "wanted to get (him) in a little trouble". Trouble that, given how Princess Mary is ''royalty'', could easily end with him scheduling a date with the headsman's axe if word of his "misdeeds" made its way to the king.
* Several of ''[[MegaMan Battle Network 4]]'''s tournament scenarios have this crop up a few times, likely as a product of the game's [[Sequelitis|infamously bad writing.]]
** [[The Scrappy|Chisao]] was already pretty unlikable in the previous game since he was an obnoxious [[Bratty Half-Pint]], but here, he's so much worse than merely being annoying and pushy. Because he doesn't want Dex, his older brother, to lose to Lan in their tournament match, he ''fakes his own kidnapping'' and forces Lan and MegaMan to go on a wild goose chase that's meant to waste their time, [[That One Level|the ''player's'' time]], and get them both disqualified via time out. While Lan and MegaMan instantly forgive him for his devotion towards Dex, most players don't even ''kind of'' share their sentiment. And why would they, when Chisao scares Dex half to death by having the "kidnapper" threaten to kill him, gets literal criminal Navis roped into his scheme, and generally shows [[Big Bad|Wily]]-tier levels of planning and scheming?
** Paulie is basically Chisao, but [[Enfant Terrible|''worse.'']] While Chisao's scheme was awful, at least it didn't involve him putting innocent people's lives in jeopardy! Paulie, however, does exactly that by draining the river supplying his Netfrican village with water and infesting the computer system that keeps it running with Viruses, essentially orchestrating a ''drought'' out of spite and jealousy towards Lan and MegaMan for beating them in the yearly Water God festival. Again, Lan immediately forgives him once he reveals his treachery and even '''apologizes for driving him to such an extreme in the first place.''' No wonder Paulie is considered to be a [[Scrappy]] on par with Chisao!
** And even less excusable than Paulie and Chisao is the elder of Raoul's tribe, who is both a grown man and outright ''murderous.'' Not wanting his tribe's representative to lose his tournament match with Lan, the elder goads the boy into netbattling him by threatening to slander him as a coward for refusing to challenge him. Upon being defeated, hits MegaMan with a '''voodoo death curse''' that quickly, painfully saps his life away. Raoul being the honorable man that he is, is annoyed by this underhanded bit of sabotage and helps lift the curse on MegaMan, and forces the elder to fess up to his crimes in the aftermath of his and Lan's match. Interestingly, the elder [[My God, What Have I Done?|is genuinely repentant and offers to let Lan punish him for what he did.]] But like with Chisao and Paulie before him, Lan and even MegaMan not only forgive him, but ''praise him for fighting with pride.'' You know, despite the underhanded attempts at sabotage, murder, and selfishly bringing shame onto Raoul and ThunderMan despite them being willing to lose as long as they fight with honor.
 
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