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{{quote|'''Alec Baldwin:''' Most people don't even know where Springfield is.
'''Homer:''' Heh, yeah. To tell you the truth, ''I'm'' not even sure! }}
*:* In Season 21 episode 21, Moe says that Springfield's zip code is 80085, which, in calculator spelling, spells boobs. However, 80085 is not an actual zip code. [https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?citybyzipcode We checked]. But other zip codes beginning 800* are in Colorado.
*:* Holding the calculator upside down, 58008 is North Dakota. And as mentioned below, they mention that North Dakota is one of the only two states the family isn't banned from. Are they not banned, or have they not been there?
:*** In the next episode, Sideshow Bob shows up and kidnaps Bart, taking him to Five Corners (similar to the real Four Corners) in a scheme to avoid being arrested by having the crime committed in all 5 states. Well, not exactly. He meant to split a murder into its constituents parts: standing in one state, shooting a gun in another state, so that the bullets flies through the third state, hitting Bart in the fourth state and finally killing him in the fifth state. When you consider the geometry of the situation, it seems [[Beyond the Impossible]]. It's also a [[Fallacy of Composition]] since Sideshow Bob believes that because none of the acts by themselves are illegal, the murder will be impossible to prosecute.
*** And as mentioned below, they mention that North Dakota is one of the only two states the family isn't banned from. Are they not banned, or have they not been there?
*:* From 'Bart's Comet', when the titular comet is heading towards Springfield:
** In the next episode, Sideshow Bob shows up and kidnaps Bart, taking him to Five Corners (similar to the real Four Corners) in a scheme to avoid being arrested by having the crime committed in all 5 states.
*** Well, not exactly. He meant to split a murder into its constituents parts: standing in one state, shooting a gun in another state, so that the bullets flies through the third state, hitting Bart in the fourth state and finally killing him in the fifth state. When you consider the geometry of the situation, it seems [[Beyond the Impossible]]. It's also a [[Fallacy of Composition]] since Sideshow Bob believes that because none of the acts by themselves are illegal, the murder will be impossible to prosecute.
** From 'Bart's Comet', when the titular comet is heading towards Springfield:
{{quote|'''Congressman #1:''' Then it is unanimous. We are going to approve the bill to evacuate the town of Springfield in the great state of....
'''Congressman #2:''' Wait a second, I want to tack on a rider to that bill. }}
*:* From "Sunday, Cruddy Sunday," Marge gives her street address to get replacement parts for an egg arts-and-crafts set.
{{quote|'''Marge''': "742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield, <s>Ohio</s> oh, hiya, Maude! Come on in!"}}
**::* So [[Late to the Punchline|that's]] what the joke was!
*:* In "Burns, Baby, Burns," a man named Larry realizes that Mr. Burns is his father when he sees Burns on a moving train:
{{quote|'''Larry:''' ''(to the conductor)'' Hey, Casey Jones, where's this train headed?
'''Conductor:''' Springfield.
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'''Reporter 2:''' Which one?
'''Reporter 1:''' The one the Simpsons live in! }}
*:* To really confound the matter, one episode had the Simpsons visit Florida, which they were banned from ever visiting again. It was then revealed they were banned from visiting every state except Arizona and North Dakota. [[Don't Explain the Joke|And neither one has a Springfield...]]
**:* [[Don'tGet Explainme thetwo Joke|Andplane neithertickets oneto hasthe astate that Springfield...]] is in!
*:* In 'Much Apu About Nothing' Homer tries to locate Springfield on a map, and points near Chicago (note that the state capital of Illinois is named Springfield). Lisa says that that's nowhere near Springfield, and indicates the right location, which we're prevented from seeing when Bart blocks the view.
** Get me two plane tickets to the state that Springfield is in!
*:* In another episode, Homer goes to "West Springfield", which is described as "Twice the size of Texas"
** In 'Much Apu About Nothing' Homer tries to locate Springfield on a map, and points near Chicago (note that the state capital of Illinois is named Springfield). Lisa says that that's nowhere near Springfield, and indicates the right location, which we're prevented from seeing when Bart blocks the view.
*:* According to David Silverman (who directed many episodes and [[The Movie]]), the show takes place in the fictional state of North Takoma. Which probably makes this the best possible answer to the question.
** In another episode, Homer goes to "West Springfield", which is described as "Twice the size of Texas"
*:* The [https://web.archive.org/web/20131209072447/http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/entertainment-us-simpsons-springfield-idUSBRE8391FZ20120411 latest] [[Word of God]] is that Springfield is based on Springfield, Oregon, near to Matt Groening's home town. [http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Simpsons-Springfield-Not-in-Oregon-1045968.aspx Or not.] That week's episode had the opening's chalkboard read "The true location of Springfield is in any state but yours."
** According to David Silverman (who directed many episodes and [[The Movie]]), the show takes place in the fictional state of North Takoma. Which probably makes this the best possible answer to the question.
*:* There's also Bronson, Missouri where everyone bears a resemblance to [[Charles Bronson]]. The only clue to where in Missouri it is, is that a #10 bus goes from there to Branson.
** The [https://web.archive.org/web/20131209072447/http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/entertainment-us-simpsons-springfield-idUSBRE8391FZ20120411 latest] [[Word of God]] is that Springfield is based on Springfield, Oregon, near to Matt Groening's home town.
*** [http://www.tvguide.com/News/Exclusive-Simpsons-Springfield-Not-in-Oregon-1045968.aspx Or not.]
**** That week's episode had the opening's chalkboard read "The true location of Springfield is in any state but yours."
** There's also Bronson, Missouri where everyone bears a resemblance to [[Charles Bronson]]. The only clue to where in Missouri it is, is that a #10 bus goes from there to Branson.
 
== Anime and Manga ==
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* [[Umi no Misaki]] is set on what is for all intents and purposes, a fictional small island in the vicinity of Okinawa.
* "Cape Mery" in ''[[Kaleido Star]]'' is allegedly in California, but it can't seem to make up its mind whether it's Los Angeles or San Francisco—it's got LA's shoreline and palm trees but also San Francisco's hills, vintage streetcars, and a dead-on markup toward the Ferry Building and nearby Amtrak terminal in the second season's opening. At the same time, it also has the concrete canyons of New York City. And just to confuse the issue even further, the rising sun over the ocean horizon when Sora performs the Angel Maneuver in the final episode makes it clear that the open sea is to the ''east'' of the city—pretty hard to do anywhere in California. Some viewers suspect that it's actually in Hawaii, not California, which would solve most of these problems (and explain some otherwise extremely fast travel times from Japan).
* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'':
** [[Yu-Gi-Oh! (anime)|The original series]] and ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's]]'' are mostly set in Domino City, which is almost definitely somewhere in Japan, though which island is not stated. Some speculate that it’s a fictitious version of Tokyo.
** ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal]]'' takes place in Heartland City; all that's known about this is that it's somewhere else in Japan.
** Maiami City - the setting for ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V]]'' (at least the first season) is the first city in the franchise that is nation-ambiguous. The protagonist's school and other schools (where many episodes occur) resemble those in Japan, but the city as a whole resembles Miami, Florida.
** Den City, the setting of ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS]]'' is stated to be in Japan and the cast all have Japanese names, but the houses look more western in architechture.
** ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! SEVENS]]'' is set in Goha City, [[Twenty Minutes Into The Future| in a near-future setting]], but still seems to suggest Japan.
 
== Comic Books ==
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** From the comics we know that it is west of the Mississippi, and that the town founder was on his way to California when his wagon broke an axle (with the implication that he never actually made it there). Various characters talk about going to California in a manner that implies that they do not already live there. So Oregon or western Nevada seem like strong contenders.
* The geography of [[The DC Universe]] and its fictional cities is vague and inconsistent at best, but some facts have been "officially" or quasi-officially established from time to time. DC's "house fanzine" from the '70s, ''Amazing World of DC Comics'', established some city locations, which were mostly followed in ''The Atlas of the DC Universe'', a supplement for the DC Heroes Roleplaying Game. As an aside, the ''JLA/Avengers'' miniseries established a reason ''why'' DC's Earth seems to have so many large cities with no analogues on Marvel's Earth (which generally speaking conforms much more closely to [[Real Life]] Earth). The reason? DC's Earth is ''physically larger''. Not by a lot, but by enough to have a bit more room for extra cities.
** Metropolis ([[Superman]]'s city, of course) has rarely if ever been nailed down to a precise location in the comic books... but it ''was'' in the comic ''strips'' - specifically ''The World's Greatest Superheroes'', which ran from 1979-1982. Metropolis was unequivocally located [https://web.archive.org/web/20130329052152/http://comicbookcartography.posterous.com/?tag=theworldsgreatestsuperheroes in Delaware], The Delaware location was used in ''The Atlas'' as well, and in the ''JSA vs. Kobra'' miniseries, "Metropolis, DE" had its first official comic book sighting (as the address of a criminal suspect seen in a database). But there are a lot of other candidates for Metropolis' location, or real-life cities that "inspired" Metropolis:
*** Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster grew up in [[Cleveland]]. Shuster lived in [[Toronto]], [[Canada]] until age 10. Both cities have been suggested as inspirations for Superman's Metropolis.
*** Clark Kent's newspaper ''The Daily Planet'' is most likely ''The Daily Star'', one of the big-three Toronto newspapers; the building depicted in the comics is their former office, which is no longer standing. Joe Shuster delivered the Daily Star as a young lad.
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* ''[[W.I.T.C.H.]]'' has Heatherfield. Here's all the data we have: the location is easily recognizable as a generic big European city on the sea with a Los Angeles-style bridge; the names of the vast majority of the residents are of British origin (Hay Lin's family doesn't count because they're Chinese, with her mother being explicitly a native of Hong Kong); football (soccer for the Americans) is apparently the most popular sport; Halloween is a popular celebration; language in signs and insignias switches between English (most used) and Italian (rarer); the Sheffield Institute was build on a former pumpkin patch due an Italian-language pun (pumpkin being sometimes used as synonym for 'head' and 'brain' in Italian); France and Italy are explicitly shown as foreign countries (and French is often treated as a foreign language that Will and Irma have problems with); the school sometimes flies the Stars and Stripes; currency has been alternatively shown being the American dollar (early on) and the euro; the police has called the Interpol for an apparent case of illegal aliens. Many people tried to narrow that location down to at least a country, everyone failed.
 
== Films -- AnimationFilm ==
* ''[[Wallace and Gromit]]'' takes place in a generic [[Oop North|Northern England town]], though when Wallace gets post, the address can be briefly seen as "62 West Wallaby Street, Wigan."
* The ''[[Toy Story (franchise)|Toy Story]]'' movies are set in "the Tri-County area," as seen on newspaper vending machines, TV ads for Al's Toy Barn, the local airport, and [[Brand X|WebTuraMaps]].
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** Nor is Carburetor County.
** "Radiator Springs" is a composite of multiple real places from at least five federated states. Its map location is most likely Peach Springs AZ (based on the desert and I-40 being nearby) - but "Carburettor County" suggests the area around Baxter Springs: Cherokee County, KS.
 
== Films -- Live Action ==
* ''[[Se7en]]'' takes place in an unnamed American city. Some take it to be Seattle (due to much of the film taking place on rainy days), but there's also a nearby desert.
* ''[[American Beauty]]'' takes place in a generic [[Stepford Suburbia]], location unspecified.
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* ''[[Office Space]]'' had cars with generic "USA" license plates.
* ''[[Incendies]]'' is set in an unnamed [[The Middle East|Middle Eastern]] state in a state of unrest and rebellion.
* ''[[Toxic Avenger]]'' subverts this; Tromaville [[Self-Deprecation| is clearly in New Jersey]].
 
== Literature ==
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** The Hardy Boys' home of Bayport was a little better. It was always implied to be a coastal town, but that didn't stop it from drifting up and down the East coast. Similar to River Heights, though, in more recent years, they keep it in the New York/New Jersey area to keep it within driving distance of New York City.
 
== Live -Action TV ==
* Most US soap opera primary setting locations (e.g. Port Charles in ''[[General Hospital]]'')
** "Salem" in ''[[Days of Our Lives]]'' is pretty explicitly set in or near a heavily Catholic part of Chicagoland (albeit some distance outside the city itself), though with ''extreme'' [[Geographic Flexibility]].
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** Some more attentive viewers have figured out that the flagship Sanctuary is in the Vancouver, BC/Seattle, WA area, however.
* Sunnydale in ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]''. We do know it's in California, and it's explicitly described in one episode as being about 2 hours' drive north of L.A. It's also on the coast (sometimes). Most evidence points to it being an [[Expy]] of Santa Barbara, but there are a few bits of contradictory information which belie that identification.
* Hooterville from ''[[Petticoat Junction]]'' and ''[[Green Acres]]''. First mentioned in ''[[The Beverly Hillbillies]]'', Hooterville is a town, a valley and a county, and its location was deliberately obscure and often contradictory. Described by one critic as being simultaneously Southern and Midwestern, if only vaguely so, it also seems to reside in a time warp where the residents think that [[Calvin Coolidge]] is still President of the United States, and have never heard of income tax (or refunds thereof).
 
== Newspaper Comics ==
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* Similarly, much of the action in ''[[The Year Without a Santa Claus]]'' takes place in "Southtown, U.S.A.", about whose location we know only that it is [[Captain Obvious|in the South]]. Of the U.S.A. Far enough so that it never has snow. (The show has some odd ideas about geography in general... it strongly implies that the Earth is a hemisphere and that nothing exists below the equator, despite at least one Sub-Saharan African child appearing in the "gift" sequence.)
* ''[[The Fairly OddParents]]'' has [[Everytown, America|Dimmsdale]]. There's a Dimsdale... it's in Canada. The Christmas Special, on one hand, places it in Southern California.
** However, another episode involves time travel to Dimmsdale's founding, wherein the citizens all dress like [[The Scarlet Letter|stereotypical puritans]], [[Burn the Witch|burn "witches"]], and speak in [[Ye Olde ButcheredButcherede EnglishEnglishe]], [[Don't Explain the Joke|implying an east coast location.]]
*** There are multiple other episodes which place it in southern California; the founding episode is the only exception. For example, the Old West episode, in which Timmy's family reaches the desert in their car in just a few hours, and the another episode states it's in a time zone three hours behind the East coast.
* Where is [[Doug]]'s hometown of Bluffington? It's near Bloatsburg.