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== Schwartz wrote this play for no reason but to make something that [[Subverted Trope|plays havoc with our expectations]]. ==
Every time Wicked is mentioned in something, it's always, "You'd think that X song would apply here, but it doesn't because of this"; and then everything falls into [[Thread Mode|interesting debates]] about [[Contemplate Our Navels|the philosophy of good and evil]]. About the only song that's avoided this is "[["I Want" Song|The Wizard and I]]," but Schwartz [[All There in the Manual|has stated in ''The Grimmerie'']] that it's there because there's always a song like that as the second or third song.
 
== Trism is Ozma, the true ruler of Oz, in disguise or under a spell ==
This [[Gender Bender]] plot was in the original version with Tip, so why not here with Trism?
* This time, either Tip/Trism isn't going to have such an easy time becoming a girl, or Liir is ''really'' oblivious (like, ''M. Butterfly'' oblivious).
** C'mon! This HAS to be addressed in the third book, and someone has to have read it, right?
*** Not addressed in the third book. Liir, Trism, and Candle have all vanished without a trace (at least, as far as the protagonists of ''A Lion Among Men'' know.)
** Haven't read the third book, but in the second book, Liir briefly observed the actual Tip(/once-and-future-Ozma) being scolded by the witch whose name I have forgotten how to spell. Mombie? Mumbie? It was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance.
** I think it's Mombie. [[Return to Oz|I wonder how many heads she had by then?]] Anyway, if Tip/Ozma already exists in ''Wicked''!Oz seems that the author thisclose to [[Bury Your Gays|a tragic ending]] for Liir and <s> [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Kaworu]] </s> Trism, the only character - and coincidentally his only male love interest - whom Liir felt he had an emotional connection with. That sort of development seems at odds with the author's real life loving relationship with his partner/husband and their three kids.
*** Mombi didn't have multiple heads in original Oz canon, that was Princess Langwidere. Mombi was an elderly witch.
*** Jossed in Book Four: {{spoiler|Ozma and Tip are the same}}
 
== Liir, being an [[Expy]] for [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|Shinji Ikari]], will try to use the Deadly Desert or nearest equivalent to cause an irritating version of [[Instrumentality]]. ==
Sorry, Jossed in Part I of the book. The desert being deadly is just propaganda to keep raiders from trying to get to Oz.
* '''Or nearest equivalent.''' It'll happen even if Liir has to build that equivalent personally.
** Okay, sandworms then (just kidding). Still, the sight of [[Nightmare Fuel|the Wheelers crumbling into sand sculptures]] is quite evocative...
 
== Eh, what the hell: All [[Deconstructor Fleet]] universes lead to/away from Wicked ==
If Elphaba returns she'll [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|crush/strangle Trism to death if he betrays Liir]] in a fit of [[Mama Bear|Mama Bearishness]]. Dorthy, Candle, etc. will make [[Heroic Sacrifice|Heroic Sacrifices]] (or maybe just [[Stupid Sacrifice|stupid ones]]) that'll help cause the downfall of Oz due to Elphaba, Fiyero, and Galinda's [[Gambit Pileup]]. {{spoiler|Liir and Candle's daughter will be an ultra [[Morality Pet]].}} Oz eventually becomes the [[Watchmen (Comic Book)|Watchmen]] universe, which creates Dr. Manhattan who creates the NGE universe, which creates Rei who becomes [[Instrumentality]] which becomes the [[The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (Literature)|"original" Oz(s)]] inside her while she creates [[Battlestar Galactica Reimagined|another, other, *other* Earth, which sends colonies to 12 planets]], etc. etc. until all this comes down to [[Real Life|us]], who create all these stories again.
 
== This book and this musical are in an alternate world from [[Land of Oz (Literature)|the Wizard of Oz books]] ''and'' [[The Wizard of Oz (Film)|The Wizard of Oz]] movie ==
The book and musical have stuff from both the Wizard of Oz movie and the original book series. Also, Glinda has ''blonde'' hair instead of red.
* ...yeah, that's not a WMG, that's a fact.
 
== The Fourth book's going to be about the Tin Man ==
Because we've seen all the other popular characters. Also, Ephalba will return because the author has dropped enough hints!!
* Now now, Maguire may be a tool, but he's not that big of one. The cycle was originally four books, but the last two got combined into one. Inverse of [[Trilogy Creep]], anyone? If he decides to be a huge tool, I'd be very upset. And even more so if he becomes the biggest and resurrects ''Elphaba''. She's dead! Good news! ... or are you just a troll. HCO? You trolling again?
* Dunno where you got your sources on that whole merging thing, but it's wrong. Third book brings Nor back into the picture and kills off Yackle. 4th book will presumably be the resolution, rumor has it Glinda gets the starring role.
* Elphaba's return is pretty much Jossed. In the third book, when they {{spoiler|find the Grimmerie in the Clock and her watermark appears}} they specifically state that it's only Elphaba's sign: That Elphaba's time is done and that she is gone for good.
** To be fair, {{spoiler|they also specifically state "she is coming back."}} That could easily refer to Elphaba.
** Actually, {{spoiler|this is likely confirmed in the Out Of Oz. Who else could Glinda be referring to when she said, "Ooh, you wicked thing. You took your time getting here."?}}
* Maguire already alluded to the fact that the fourth book will be about Glinda.
 
== The Grimmerie = The Lexicon ==
 
== Pure water ''will'' melt her. ==
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== Elphaba is a [[Girl Genius|Spark]]. ==
Moreso in the book than the musical. However, she manages to take a book of strange orginorigin and understand its secret quickly and makes the Flying Monkeys... aka constructs. I seem to recall she was reading about how to add parts of one animal to another painlessly (Monkeys with Roc Wings in her case) at one point in Part IV or V. Perhaps she got it from her father O.Z. Diggs.
 
== Green Elixir is absinthe. ==
The Wizard brought a whole case with him from Nebraska, and only hands it out when he feels like it. It has an intoxicating effect on Oz locals, so Melena was able to be seduced, and IIRC he gave it to Glinda in the musical to take away the pain.
** Green Elixir is a roofie. Because the land of Oz is in another planet/dimension/universe, it's harmless to humans (besides the roofie effects) but causes congenital defects in Ozians.
*** I was always under the impression that the Green Elixir was an Earth patent medicine. Same argument as the above, but it explains why the Wiz was carrying it on him in the first place.
* Alternatively, it could also be Coca-Cola. When Coke was first created, it was green in color and contained cocaine.
** Cocaine would keep you awake, the exact opposite of what the elixir was meant to do.
 
== Elphaba created the first draft of the Crucible of Ahriman. ==
The spell cast by her on Fiyero (let his bones never break, let his flesh not be turned, though they beat him let him feel no pain)
Compared to the Crucible of Ahriman, which turned his fellow Thousand Suns into walking suits of armour, without flesh, blood or bones.
 
== In the novel, Glinda knowingly revealed Elphaba's Emerald City hideout to the government. ==
It's implied that she ''suspects'' Elphaba is in the Emerald City ("If you see her, tell her I miss her still.") Sarima's sisters suspect that Glinda had a hand in Fiyero's death; maybe they're right after all.
* Jossed in the third novel.
 
== [[Star Trek|Gaila]] is a descendant of Elphaba. ==
 
== In the musical, The Wizard never completed his journey back to Nebraska. ==
Not only has he been deposed and forced to return to a life of poverty and mediocrity, but he also believes that he's resposible for the death of his only child. So, he waits until the balloon's well and truly outside Oz's borders, and jumps. Unfortunately for him- and all of Oz-, he ends up surviving thanks to the intervention of [[Return to Oz|the Nome King]], who offers him a quick death in exchange for information on the political situation in Oz; once the Wizard has finished babbling out everything he knows, the King [[Jedi Truth|adds him to his ornament collection]] and begins planning for the invasion...
 
== Zac Efron will play Fiyero in the movie, the fanfiction section will be swarmed by tween Efron fans and any author who is even halfway decent will be driven to jumping off a cliff. ==.]]
Or alternatly - you know just give it up
* Similar. They're actually trying to get a Idina lookalike from ''[[Glee]]'' to play Elphaba.
** That Idina look-alike IS''is'' Idina.
*** She/he meant Lea Michelle.
 
== [[Tim Burton]] will make the movie adaption. [[Age Lift|Helena Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp will play Elphaba and Fiyero]]. ==
== Elphaba's granddaughter will be deformed. ==
* The rain would've melted her away like her grandma, but Liir brought her inside quickly enough so she was only disfigured.
{{spoiler|Jossed in Out of Oz}}
== In this alternate Oz, Animals are descended from Earth animals. ==
According to the [[Land Of Oz]], all animals can talk once they enter Oz. Here, though, it's very clear some Animals talk, and some animals can't. It's possible that, in time immemorial, some Earth beasts got stranded in Oz as Dorothy did, and gained the power of speech, giving rise to the many breeds of Animal.
 
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