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* [[Complete Monster]]: Harm. For a series that was usually fairly light-hearted, it was shocking just how dark and evil Harm was. {{spoiler|He nearly slashed his adoptive father's jugular open at age 11, he murdered his sister to gain superpowers from a demon, and his motivation was simply to train by hunting young heroes so he'd be prepared to kill the JLA when he was older. A pure sociopath, even the fact that he was killed in his first storyline didn't stop him. He came back as a ghost and gleefully tormented his family, possessing his father (now on death row for his killing) and used his body to drive Secret insane. The guy was one long walking [[Kick the Dog]] moment.}}

* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Impulse.

** Tim Drake and Conner Kent/Kon-El. Full stop.

 

==== Young Justice: The Series ====

** News of who were serving in the production of the show, and the image of the show's first promotional poster.

** Oh, they are making a new animat... Holy crap, [[Greg Weisman]] is producing (and writing)!

** To a lesser extent, Brandon Vietti's involvement in the show as producer sparked excitement from those who were familiar with his directing ''[[Batman: Under the Red Hood]]''.

** [[Bruce Greenwood]] got a pretty good appraisal for his [[Batman: Under the Red Hood|previous voice work as Batman]] (some have gone so far to measure him against [[Kevin Conroy]]) and is apparently voicing him again, for whenever he appears in this series.

** Secret appearing in an episode appropriately written by [[Peter David]] (although {{spoiler|it's probably a one-time thing and her new [[Pokémon-Speak]] may turn off some.}}) She's the first such ''Young Justice'' comics member to appear in the show -- if one doesn't count Superboy, since his cartoon characterization is drawn from his later ''[[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Teen Titans]]'' days and much unlike his [[Fun Personified|earlier self]].

** For many, Superman warming up to Superboy in the end of Season 1.

** {{spoiler|Lian Harper exists.}}

** {{spoiler|Bart Allen/Impulse has arrived,}} again in an episode appropriately written by [[Peter David]].

* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Some think that Kid Flash has trust issues and is actually rather insecure and that his cheerful attitude we've seen so far is really just him being a [[Stepford Smiler]].

* [[Arc Fatigue]]: For some fans, the yet-unresolved continuing grand scheme of The Light has become this in the second season. So the heroes foil the season-long plans of the Light - surprise, all that was only Phase 1! And some other fans were already thinking this during the first season. See [[Villain Sue]] below.

** Miss Martian. Horrible abomination of a character, or delightful breath of fresh air in a team full of jerks? Her [[Catch Phrase]] ("Hello, Megan!") isn't helping matters. {{spoiler|Though these turned out to be [[Arc Words]] as well, directly connected to her character issues (and indirectly, Beast Boy.)}}

*** As of "Earthlings", we have whether or not {{spoiler|her mind raping a Krolotean leader to get information was [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|unnecessary and overkilling it]] or whether [[I Did What I Had to Do|she did what she had to do.]]}}

** There's also people's views on how Superman is acting on the show in regards to Superboy: some think he's behaving in an understandable manner and others think he's being a [[Jerkass]] and [[Out of Character|very un-Superman-like]] compared to other incarnations. Superboy has since become this as well.

*** After the [[Time Skip]], he's acting far more Superman-ish, and has become a [[Big Brother Mentor]] to Superboy.

** The Season 2 [[Time Skip]] has divided fans over the new characters replacing most of the old team, as well by as its very nature. It's either a hackneyed plot device which only leaves them wanting more of the old team as they were, or an awesome way to hit the ground running plot-wise and introduce more DC characters who wouldn't be the right age in season 1.

* [[Complete Monster]]: Harm intentionally invoked this in order to acquire the power of the Sword of Beowulf. Only the pure of heart can wield it, but it doesn't distinguish between pure good and pure evil. To become the latter, he murdered {{spoiler|his own sister}} in cold blood. The moment he shows a tiny hint of remorse when confronted by this, the Sword rejects him. Oddly, he's less of a [[Complete Monster]] than his comic-book counterpart, since he seems to have actually cared for her at one point... which might make it even worse, that he cared and could ''still'' do that to her.

* [[Crazy Awesome]]: Adam Strange quoting ''[[Alice in Wonderland]]'' and ''[[Jabberwocky]]'' to escape the space gestapo.

* [[Derailing Love Interests]]: {{spoiler|M'gann's antiheroic activities have caused Conner to dump her.}}

* [[Die for Our Ship]]: Lagoon Boy, and it only took a single episode.

** While people are [[Broken Base|divided]] about the characterization of most of the cast, particularly [[Superman]] and [[The Joker]], there's one character nobody dislikes: [[Shazam|Captain Marvel]]. He's the [[Fun Personified|most fun]] character in the cast, and seems to be be as popular with the fans - and even non-fans - as [[Batman: The Brave And The Bold|AQUAMAN]] was.

** [[Blue Beetle]] in Season 2 is very popular, though whether he's a secondary character or a main character is still unclear.

** Cheshire.

** Harm.

*** Especially Episode 19, "Misplaced", and after, when the show finally stopped suffering from [[Cartoon Network]] [[Schedule Slip]] and the plot development seemingly picks up the pace in time for the season 1 finale.

** The second season.

** In "Downtime" (aired March 4, 2011) Superman tells Aquaman that "The Justice League have a problem in Tokyo". A week later, Japan was hit by a devastating earthquake.

** In-universe, most of Red Arrow's bits about how he can't trust [certain team member] because anyone might be [[The Mole]] becomes this by the end of "Usual Suspects" since {{spoiler|it's ''him'', and his tone of voice as he realizes this implies that he realizes exactly how much of an idiot that makes him. All he needed to do to find the mole was look in the mirror}}.

* [[He Really Can Act]]: [[Jesse McCartney]] as Robin/Nightwing, pulling off some epic confidence, authority, deadpan snark, and inner turmoil.

** In a funny coincidence, this version of Superboy was introduced at the same time that ''[[Smallville]]'' was doing its own Superboy storyline, and the reactions of the respective Supermen to the existence of Superboy [[Happily Adopted|could not]] be more [[That Thing Is Not My Child|opposite]].

** In "Bereft," Robin wakes up without his memories of the last six months, and yells "In ''September''?! What happened to March?" "Bereft" was the last episode aired before the six month hiatus... in March. "Targets" didn't officially premiere until... ''September.''

** Miss Martian tells Superboy to "Stop behaving like a character in a 70s Sitcom" during "Alpha Male", then several episodes pass, and during "Image", {{spoiler|this is shown to be [[Hypocritical Humor]] as we learn that her entire personality and appearance is based around that of a 70s Sitcom character.}}

* [[Ho Yay]]: [[Young Justice (animation)/Ho Yay|Has a page for it.]]

* [[Idiosyncratic Ship Naming]]: Spitfire (Wally/Artemis), Chalant (Dick/Zatanna), Freshness (Dick/Wally), Traught (Dick/Artemis), and Christmas Arrow (Roy/Artemis or Roy/Ollie), to name a few.

** Mainly revolves around the show's line-up: 1) Robin and Kid Flash being Dick Grayson and Wally West, respectively, as opposed to Tim Drake and Bart Allen, and 2) the fact that Aqualad is [[Affirmative Action Legacy|a new person to hold the title of Aqualad, who happens to be black]]. In addition, [[Broken Base|fandom has divided itself into mainly two camps]]--one defending the appropriateness of the title in spite of it not being an adaptation and the other criticizing it--to the extent that [[Word of God|the creator]] stepped in to [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=866 clear up the issue].

** Complaints about the marketing being sexist for focusing more or less exclusively on the male characters have also been common, and lead to many an argument online.

** Season 2's drastic Time Skip.

** The shipping, and the amount of [[Pandering to the Base]] it inspired. Half the fandom loves it because they feel it makes sense, given the character's age. The other half (primarily the [[Periphery Demographic|older fans]]) loathe it because they feel [[Romantic Plot Tumor|it distracts from the rest of the plot.]]

** [[Troubled but Cute|Superboy]], very quickly. Superboy/Aqualad, Superboy/Miss Martian, Superboy/Artemis, Superboy/Black Canary.

** Heck, ''anyone'' in this show basically plays this trope straight. Aqualad and Miss Martian aren't entirely spared.

* [[Like You Would Really Do It]]: One of the problems with {{spoiler|"Failsafe"}}. In the opening thirty seconds, [[Green Lantern|Green Lanterns]] Hal Jordan and John Stewart are vapourised without warning. That would be pretty unbelievable in itself, but then in the ''next'' thirty seconds so are [[Captain Atom]], [[Shazam|Captain Marvel]], [[Martian Manhunter]], [[Superman]] and [[Batman]]. Yeah, sure.

* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: The Light may be this to some, but the one with the most awesome moment so far may be Vandal Savage. You know, the guy who {{spoiler|brainwashed the entire Justice League and got them to bow down to him.}}

* [[Memetic Badass]]:

** Aqualad developed into this over the course of season one.

** Sportsmaster, due to [[wikipedia:Outline of sports|the implications of his name.]]

** The [[Buffy-Speak|words Robin creates]] by removing prefixes (such as "whelmed" and "aster" from the words overwhelmed and disaster).

** Superman will take his pie to go. [[Mundane Made Awesome|*dramatic background music*]]

* [[Memetic Sex God]]: Roy. It helps that he's voiced by [[Crispin Freeman]].

** Nightwing is this by default.

** The Light technically crossed it before the series even began. The finale reveals that {{spoiler|they kidnapped Speedy and cloned him more than three years ago. The Roy Harper we've been following in the series was a clone and part of their plan, which even he didn't know. Not only that, the real Roy somehow lost an arm (either lost in battle when they caught him, or by amputation after, which would be even worse). They then take the original Roy with them alongside Match when covering their tracks from Cadmus following the events of the episode.}}

** {{spoiler|Queen Bee is revealed to have killed Garfield Logan's mother purely out of spite, if the Light's overall moment isn't enough to push her over the line. Seeing Beast Boy so broken shows how horrible she truly was.}}

* [[Narm]]: The show has its moments, though they don't happen often.

** As of Season 2, Blue Beetle has become increasingly 'Narmy', however most of his fans seem to think of it as a [[Narm Charm]]

** Joker gassing the firefighters through the giant plants, or when he takes an interest in Robin while carrying an absurdly huge knife.

** "Failsafe" is an entire episode of it. [[It Got Worse|And it keeps. Getting. Worse.]]

** The series as a whole, particularly the first season, is viewed as such by some ''[[Teen Titans (animation)|Teen Titans]]'' fans since it covers similar ground but is generally [[Darker and Edgier]] and "less fun", depending on how "fun" is defined. However, that [[Lighter and Softer]] series ended in 2006, long before it was "replaced".

** It's also been viewed as such for ''[[Justice League (animation)|Justice League (Unlimited)]]'' by those who prefer to see the grown-ups over the young 'uns. However, like ''Teen Titans'', that series already ended way back in 2006.

** Bizarrely, {{spoiler|Aqualad's [[Face Heel Turn]]}} and {{spoiler|Ms. Martian's new penchant for [[Mind Rape]]}} are appreciated by some fans as finally giving them some character depth.

*** {{spoiler|Aqualad is a [[Fake Defector|double agent]] for the good guys.}} What now?

* [[The Scrappy]]: Any member of the team, specifically if they aren't one of the first nine from Season 1. {{spoiler|ESPECIALLY Lagoon Boy. Poor guy gets hate for everything, from his catchphrase to his Atlantean abilities (he's constantly being compared to Aqualad) to the fact that he's now dating M'gann}}

** The writers may be aware of this, most of the other characters treat him like they would a really obnoxious and annoying co-worker.

** Miss Martian and Superboy making out... while still disguised as brother and sister. Would it have been so hard for Conner to give Megan some sort of warning so she could drop the disguise ''before'' she and Superboy played tonsil hockey? Icicle Jr. has this ''exact'' reaction in-universe.

** In "Image", a recording shows Superboy losing in a sparring match against Black Canary and then as a reward for almost winning {{spoiler|she kisses him and they start making out. Sure, it's M'gann in disguise but...}}

* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]:

** In spite of the fact that the series itself is ''not'' an adaptation of the ''Young Justice'' comics, quite a few fans of the comics aren't happy with the creative team's decision to alter the identities of characters from the comics of the same name. ([http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=866 Weisman's take on the issue].) Some fans' complaints are incredibly petty, such as people complaining that Superboy is [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?|wearing cargo pants instead of jeans]].

** The Season 2 [[Time Skip]] gets a lot of this for [[Nothing Is the Same Anymore|changing almost everything]].

* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character]]: {{spoiler|Ocean-Master. He was the least featured member out of of the original seven members of "The Light", and whilst it is known that he is secretly posing as Aquaman's ally as Prince Orm by DC fans and from reading the tie-in comic, those who are only following the show will have no idea that Orm and Ocean-Master are one in the same. In between seasons 1 and 2, he has been "disgraced" and replaced by Black Manta, who was already featured in an episode.}}

** The show at one point had a tie-in toyline at the [[McDonald's]] burger chain. All four male members of Young Justice were included in the line, as were Superman and Batman. Guess who was excluded from the line? You guessed it, Miss Martian and Artemis. To add insult to injury, they were replaced by Black Manta and Captain Cold, the latter of whom hadn't even had a speaking role on the show yet.

** The ''Young Justice'' Halloween costumes only feature Robin, Kid Flash, and Superboy -- the three white boys. The two girls on the team and the black boy are left out.

** In "Beneath", Dick is explaining to Batgirl, Wonder Girl, Miss Martian, and Bumblebee that he put together an all-female team to investigate Queen Bee because her persuasion abilities don't work as competently on women as they do on men. Batgirl then asks Dick if he would've "felt the need to justify an all-male squad for a given mission?" At which point the rest of the squad gives Dick a dirty look and sheepishly asks "there's no right answer to that, is there?" When he logs out, Batgirl quips that Queen Bee's not the only one who can mess with men's minds, and the team laughs. Batgirl felt that Dick was being sexist when he was explaining that the team had a logical advantage against Queen Bee that a team of male members wouldn't, and was simply explaining in an intelligent manner that they had an advantage. Batgirl acted as a [[Straw Feminist]] and had no reason to jab at Dick. This was a [[Funny Aneurysm]] moment for most fans who laughed the first time, then realized what happened and felt Batgirl was being stupid.

*** It's possible that she ''thought'' he was being sexist when he wasn't. This can be justified in her case as a misunderstanding, but doesn't stop the [[Unfortunate Implications]].

** The little G-gnomes fall under this.

** Megan's {{spoiler|true form falls under this. Despite being a 'hideous' White Martian?}} You ''still'' want to hug and comfort her due to her genuine sweet personality. Doesn't hurt that she's a full on [[The Woobie|Woobie.]]

* [[Villain Sue]]: To some fans, the Light as a whole is starting to become this: almost all episodes end with a "[[The Untwist|twist]]" revealing that 1) the villain from this episode (even if he appeared to be an independent villain at first) was working for them, and 2) The apparent defeat the protagonists inflicted them end up at best retarding them a little, at worst went as they planned and allows them to go further in their grand scheme. Even when the heroes undid the damage the Light dealt in the season 1 finale (which had been brewing for all of season 1, and actually had been pulled off), they just went ahead to "[[Wham! Line|Phase 2]]", and they still have yet to be completely defeated.

* [[Wangst]]: Some of Superboy's angry [[Large Ham|overreactions.]]

** Brent Spiner as [[The Joker]] is one in a long list of strange casting choices for Mr. J.

*** On a similar note: [[Kevin Michael Richardson]], an otherwise excellent voice actor, as the voice of [[Green Lantern]] John Stewart as opposed to [[Phil LaMarr]], who practically ''defined'' the character in ''[[Justice League (animation)|Justice League]]'', and who was already voicing for the show. The fact that he also voices [[Doctor Fate]] and Mal Duncan with more or less the same voice doesn't help, either.

** [[Blue Beetle]]. He opens his mouth and his [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] status is immediately thrown out the window.

** Miss Martian in "Welcome to Happy Harbor" and even more so in "Failsafe". [[Up to Eleven]] in {{spoiler|Image.}}

** Artemis in "Homefront".