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== Apollo is related to [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Psych Shawn Spencer] ==

Since [[Hyper Awareness]] runs in Apollo's family, that explains Shawn's ability to detect evidence

* {{color|red|O}} Shawn's [[Hyper Awareness]] comes from the extensive training his dad put him through.

* {{color|red|OBJECTION!}} Shawn's [[Hyper Awareness]] comes from the extensive training his dad put him through.

** {{color|red|H}} Perhaps Shawn had the [[Hyper Awareness]] before the training, and his dad trained merely to improve the ability.

** {{color|red|HOLD IT!}} Perhaps Shawn had the [[Hyper Awareness]] before the training, and his dad trained merely to improve the ability.

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== Phoenix actually is part spirit medium. ==

This explains why is is able to hear Mia, even though he hasn't trained in Kurain or elsewhere.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Acording to T&T, only women can become spirit mediums!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Acording to T&T, only women can become spirit mediums!

** '''''{{color|red|T}}''''' The original poster never claimed that Phoenix ''was'' a spirit medium, just that he could be ''part'' spirit medium! He could still be male with spirit medium blood flowing through his veins, allowing him to use the Magatama, and see/hear Mia without her being channeled.

** '''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' The original poster never claimed that Phoenix ''was'' a spirit medium, just that he could be ''part'' spirit medium! He could still be male with spirit medium blood flowing through his veins, allowing him to use the Magatama, and see/hear Mia without her being channeled.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' You mentioned that he needs spirit medium blood to use the magatama, but Edgeworth uses it at one point!

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' You mentioned that he needs spirit medium blood to use the magatama, but Edgeworth uses it at one point!

** Gah! ''...How did they...?'' Very well, I concede that point. However, that still doesn't explain why Phoenix can see Mia without being a spirit medium, unless he ''is'' part (and ''only'' part) spirit medium!

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' T&T says that only women can possess spiritual power, which means that he can't even be part spirit medium!

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' T&T says that only women can possess spiritual power, which means that he can't even be part spirit medium!

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Saying that "only women can possess spiritual power" and that "Phoenix could be part spirit medium" are not mutually exclusive! Let's say that a spirit medium gives birth to a son. That son (though not possessing any sort of "power") would still be part spirit medium, correct? The WMG is saying that perhaps Phoenix has the blood of a Kurain medium flowing through his veins, giving him the brief ability to see Mai at the end of PW:AA. (This could work especially well if you take into account the fact that many legends of ghosts include those who haunt the living to bring those who wronged them to justice.) Phoenix is ''not'' a spirit medium, we accept that fact as true. But, if he has spirit medium blood flowing through his veins, ''and'' (maybe) Mia stuck around to bring her murderer to justice, it's possible that the two coupled together allowed Phoenix to see Mia without anyone else summoning her.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Saying that "only women can possess spiritual power" and that "Phoenix could be part spirit medium" are not mutually exclusive! Let's say that a spirit medium gives birth to a son. That son (though not possessing any sort of "power") would still be part spirit medium, correct? The WMG is saying that perhaps Phoenix has the blood of a Kurain medium flowing through his veins, giving him the brief ability to see Mai at the end of PW:AA. (This could work especially well if you take into account the fact that many legends of ghosts include those who haunt the living to bring those who wronged them to justice.) Phoenix is ''not'' a spirit medium, we accept that fact as true. But, if he has spirit medium blood flowing through his veins, ''and'' (maybe) Mia stuck around to bring her murderer to justice, it's possible that the two coupled together allowed Phoenix to see Mia without anyone else summoning her.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ...Ha! In the bleak darkness of despair, we all see shadows of those we hold closest. If you insist that this glimmer of yearning was something more, then let's see some {{color|orange|e}}!

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ...Ha! In the bleak darkness of despair, we all see shadows of those we hold closest. If you insist that this glimmer of yearning was something more, then let's see some {{color|orange|evidence}}!

*** Um... Please forgive me, but I do not have evidence, merely a question. If all it was was Phoenix seeing her because it was the "bleak darkness of despair", then why is it that Godot is able to see (or, at the very least, ''sense'' her) at the end of PW:T&T Case 4? Is he having a shared hallucination with Phoenix? Or is it possible that Phoenix, being part spirit medium, was maybe able to "channel" (sorry, I couldn't think of a better word for it, yes I know that it's not channeling) her spirit enough to touch the heart of Godot?

**** Phoenix never saw her in that instance, or heard her, or otherwise sensed her. This troper takes it as Godot seeing a bit of Mia in Phoenix's undying struggle towards the truth, seeing that Mia "is living on in him." This is supported by the fact that the thing that made Godot drawn to her in the first place was her belief in her clients to the bitter end. Also, Godot had demanded that Mia stay out of that particular court battle, insisting that Phoenix man up and battle alone. Plus, Mia's spirit was still residing in Pearls's body at that time.

*** '''''Witness Testimony''''' ''I think Mia is just too awesome to be stopped by something as puny as death. Phoenix is just lucky she likes him enough to bail him out again and again.'' You may now cross-examine this statement.

**** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Sorry, can I ask you to define what you mean by "awesome"? The only [[Crazy Awesome|awesome]] thing this <s> troper</s> <s> attorney</s> troper can recall is the extremely satisfying [[Humiliation Conga]] she gave to Dahlia in 3-5.

**** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Sorry, can I ask you to define what you mean by "awesome"? The only [[Crazy Awesome|awesome]] thing this <s> troper</s> <s> attorney</s> troper can recall is the extremely satisfying [[Humiliation Conga]] she gave to Dahlia in 3-5.

** In regards to the statements that only women can be Spirit Mediums, allow me to say that Pearl asked Phoenix if he studied some different technique when they first met (of course, she was very confused at what exactly a [[What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart Anyway|Lawyer Medium]] could do), possibly suggesting that there are other ways of channeling spirits besides the Kurain way.

** The above statement is extremely likely. In 2-2, Pearl indeed mentions that. Phoenix would be part spirit medium, just not part ''Kurain'' spirit medium.

** '''''{{color|red|T}}''''' During the credits of 3-5, Pearl reveals Phoenix {{spoiler|goes through the 'Special Course' at Hazakura with Maya.}} He really has no reason to, unless he just wanted to sit with Maya, {{spoiler|chanting the same thing 30,000 times.}}

** '''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' During the credits of 3-5, Pearl reveals Phoenix {{spoiler|goes through the 'Special Course' at Hazakura with Maya.}} He really has no reason to, unless he just wanted to sit with Maya, {{spoiler|chanting the same thing 30,000 times.}}

== Phoenix is [[Detective Conan (Manga)|Richard Moore]]. ==

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== The "legal system" in the games is, in fact, an aspect of the afterlife where the people are judged for their sins. ==

Though the lawyers in the system don't know it, they're in fact tasked with helping the process of judging people who have died, to decide whether they're good and go to heaven, or bad and go to hell.

* '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' If this is true, how could Edgeworth and Phoenix both be put on trial, be found not guilty, and then continue to defend/prosecute?

* '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' If this is true, how could Edgeworth and Phoenix both be put on trial, be found not guilty, and then continue to defend/prosecute?

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Because they're lawyers, and very good lawyers at that - if we're dealing with people's souls here, wouldn't the Powers That Be want to hold on to two of their most effective and scrupulous employees? {{spoiler|This could also explain Edgeworth's "suicide" note and disappearance, which turned out to only be a year-long journey of personal discovery; as well as the fact that Phoenix can fall into a freezing river, at night, in winter, from which very few bodies are ever recovered, and survive with nothing worse than some bruises and a cold. They're so valuable that they literally cannot die.}} The real question is why there are recurring defendants.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Because they're lawyers, and very good lawyers at that - if we're dealing with people's souls here, wouldn't the Powers That Be want to hold on to two of their most effective and scrupulous employees? {{spoiler|This could also explain Edgeworth's "suicide" note and disappearance, which turned out to only be a year-long journey of personal discovery; as well as the fact that Phoenix can fall into a freezing river, at night, in winter, from which very few bodies are ever recovered, and survive with nothing worse than some bruises and a cold. They're so valuable that they literally cannot die.}} The real question is why there are recurring defendants.

* Clerical Errors, after all, all [[Celestial Bureaucracy|bureaucracies]] make mistakes at times.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::mug slides into hand:: ::sips:: Then how do you explain ::close-up, speed lines background:: {{color|red|.}}

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::mug slides into hand:: ::sips:: Then how do you explain ::close-up, speed lines background:: {{color|red|...the repeated channeling of Mia Fey's deceased spirit?!}}

*** ...well? How do you explain what?

** Simple. Mia Fey... {{color|red|n}} She was simply planted into the minds of Phoenix et al to facilite their efforts, and to act as a focal point by The Powers That Be to exert their will and avoid mistrials!

** Simple. Mia Fey... {{color|red|never existed in the Celestial Bureaucracy!!}} She was simply planted into the minds of Phoenix et al to facilite their efforts, and to act as a focal point by The Powers That Be to exert their will and avoid mistrials!

** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Mia Fey is obviously still alive while everyone else is dead.

** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Mia Fey is obviously still alive while everyone else is dead.

** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' A spirit who has been summoned back to purgatory

** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' A spirit who has been summoned back to purgatory

*** She got promoted out of the game (between the flashback cases and 1-2) and was used as a "trial by fire" for Phoenix to prove he was ready. She can still give him help, but only cryptic, practically useless hints (there are rules about this sort of thing). Perhaps every lawyer in the game has a "spirit" helping them. Fransiska could have her father, Edgeworth, maybe his father, Godot might have Mia as well, and Apollo? He has Phoenix. He doesn't need a spirit aid.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' The defense has yet to explain one basic flaw in his reasoning, namely that Phoenix Wight was put on trial before he became a lawyer!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' The defense has yet to explain one basic flaw in his reasoning, namely that Phoenix Wight was put on trial before he became a lawyer!

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Simple: Phoenix died, was put on trial, and the almighty deities who control the system found potential in Wright and made him an attorney.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Simple: Phoenix died, was put on trial, and the almighty deities who control the system found potential in Wright and made him an attorney.

* This particular trope amuses me, in part, because it can also be argued to be rather close to the original Jewish plot of the Book of Job. (For those unaware: in the traditional Jewish viewpoint, it is far less of a bet between God and Satan and rather a case of ''humanity itself'' being put on trial--with Job being the defendant/defense attorney representing humanity as a whole, God being the judge, and [http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=S=270 ha-Satan being the prosecuting attorney]--right down to using curses as "cross examination", using Job's best friends as a form of attempted witness against the defense, and so on.)

** Some modern (Christian) Biblical researchers even have pointed out [http://www.physorg.com/news75128924.html Satan has a traditional characterisation not unlike Miles Edgeworth] before his [[Heel Face Turn]]--an overzealous prosecuting attorney willing to do ''anything'' to win a case.

*** ...And Edgeworth wears red, the traditional colours of Satan/hell/devils/etc.

** And this pretty much makes this trope officially [[Older Than Feudalism]].

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' What are the murder victims then?

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' What are the murder victims then?

*** People who are still alive.

*** Spirits who are undoubtly going to heaven or hell?

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* There was an ad in Japan for the first DS remake where all the characters had voiceovers for their text, except in one scene where Phoenix and Maya started making the usual bip-bip-bip noise of text appearing instead, and Edgeworth got mad about it. Since they could still understand each other, this makes it pretty clear that they can "read" the text.

** In a Japanese ad for the fourth game, everyone has voice acting except for Apollo, who has to speak in text-and-beeps. Everyone can understand him ''and'' is aware of the beeping...

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' When Sal Manella uses the word 'R0xx0rz,' Maya thinks he's saying 'Rocksores' which only makes sense if she only heard it out loud. Come to think of it, the same concept is actually used as evidence during a trial: the Maggie/Maggey issue.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' When Sal Manella uses the word 'R0xx0rz,' Maya thinks he's saying 'Rocksores' which only makes sense if she only heard it out loud. Come to think of it, the same concept is actually used as evidence during a trial: the Maggie/Maggey issue.

** Maya may just have been unfamiliar with the word. She's not exactly a character one would expect to be fluent in 1337-speak, and could have been trying to "translate" it without having any idea what it meant.

** As for the Maggie/Maggey evidence, this actually becomes a piece of [[Fridge Brilliance]] when you realize that the defendant who makes this mistake is ''missing his glasses''! As for Gumshoe...well, he IS Gumshoe. He probably just didn't read the picture very carefully.

*** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' The person in question lost the glasses when the murder occurred. Before that, he still had them, so he would have had no problem reading the textbox, meaning [[Fridge Brilliance]] is not a valid option in this case!

*** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' The person in question lost the glasses when the murder occurred. Before that, he still had them, so he would have had no problem reading the textbox, meaning [[Fridge Brilliance]] is not a valid option in this case!

== The series takes place in a totalitarian dictatorship; the trials are just for show ==

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We never see Manfred Von Karma's trial, which makes sense because the focus is on defense attorneys. For the purposes of this theory, however, we shall assume that it takes place in the gap between [[WMG/AA 3|AA 3]] and [[WMG/AA 4|AA 4]], Von Karma clearly having enough legal skill to tie up the courts for that amount of time. Some of the clues Phoenix finds in [[WMG/AA 1|AA 1]] seem the result remarkably sloppy cover-up, especially for a [[Magnificent Bastard]] of Von Karma's character... but that's because the evidence is faked! [[Xanatos Gambit]] time! At his eventual trial for murder, Von Karma proves that the evidence Phoenix submitted during the first trial are forgeries, simultaneously getting an acquittal, and forever soiling Wright's reputation as a lawyer. Only foolish fool foolishness would lead one to believe that they could go up against a Von Karma without repercussions.

* A tip of the Attorney Badge to xdelicious, who's Phoenix Wright [[Xanatos Gambit]] submission inspired this theory.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' The troper responsible for the [[Xanatos Gambit]] entry is baffled by this. It's clearly stated in the fourth case of ''[[Apollo Justice Ace Attorney (Visual Novel)|Apollo Justice Ace Attorney]]'' that the false evidence was presented in a trial which von Karma had nothing to do with... unless one considers {{spoiler|Kristoph Gavin}} to be von Karma's apprentice.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' The troper responsible for the [[Xanatos Gambit]] entry is baffled by this. It's clearly stated in the fourth case of ''[[Apollo Justice Ace Attorney (Visual Novel)|Apollo Justice Ace Attorney]]'' that the false evidence was presented in a trial which von Karma had nothing to do with... unless one considers {{spoiler|Kristoph Gavin}} to be von Karma's apprentice.

*** Well, they certainly have a shared tendency to [[Disproportionate Retribution|overreact]].

** Not to mention that Trials and Tribulations makes it clear that von Karma is deceased.

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== Ema Skye is hot. ==

Don't deny it. Its better than the other theories here....

* '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Ema Skye the stand-in for Maya, or Ema Skye the detective? Choose your answer carefully.

* '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Ema Skye the stand-in for Maya, or Ema Skye the detective? Choose your answer carefully.

** Let's see. The problem is, she's kind of a bitch in Apollo Justice...

*** TAKE THAT! But the other one is sixteen.

**** Objection! 16 years is too old for lolicon!

**** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Have you SEEN Mia!?

**** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Have you SEEN Mia!?

**** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' You honor, the purpose of this inquiry is not to determine "Is Ema Sky hotter than Mia Fey?" but rather "Is Ema Skye hot?". Mia's hotness, while smokin', has no relevance to the case at hand! If the opposition wishes to claim Mia's hotness holds some relevance to the case of Ema's hotness, I must ask they prove it... with {{color|red|e}}!

**** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' You honor, the purpose of this inquiry is not to determine "Is Ema Sky hotter than Mia Fey?" but rather "Is Ema Skye hot?". Mia's hotness, while smokin', has no relevance to the case at hand! If the opposition wishes to claim Mia's hotness holds some relevance to the case of Ema's hotness, I must ask they prove it... with {{color|red|evidence}}!

**** ''''''{{color|red|T}}''''' Phoenix (or you the player, whichever you prefer) has been with both, Ema and Mia at some point during his career. Phoenix has only worked with Ema on one case and that was when she was a hyper spunky 16 year old (thus not being legal in some parts of the world) while Mia was in her 20s before she died and even after death, she is summoned back many times to help Phoenix in his cases. As mentioned before, Ema, nearly 7-10 years later, has become a cold ice queen unless you bribe her with Snackoos or a fingerprint duster. Not to mention she can be somewhat flaky. Mia, however, can not only retain her "goods" while being channeled, but she always has something to help you out with and has a much nicer personality. Between a smart and smokin' woman and another woman who stuffs her face whenever you even annoy her, the defense proposes that Mia is an easier fish to catch compared to Ema!

**** ''''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' Phoenix (or you the player, whichever you prefer) has been with both, Ema and Mia at some point during his career. Phoenix has only worked with Ema on one case and that was when she was a hyper spunky 16 year old (thus not being legal in some parts of the world) while Mia was in her 20s before she died and even after death, she is summoned back many times to help Phoenix in his cases. As mentioned before, Ema, nearly 7-10 years later, has become a cold ice queen unless you bribe her with Snackoos or a fingerprint duster. Not to mention she can be somewhat flaky. Mia, however, can not only retain her "goods" while being channeled, but she always has something to help you out with and has a much nicer personality. Between a smart and smokin' woman and another woman who stuffs her face whenever you even annoy her, the defense proposes that Mia is an easier fish to catch compared to Ema!

**** ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::''Smirks, wags finger'':: Nice try, rookie. But look back. What have you proven? 'Mia Fey is a very nice, smoking hot lady. Nicer and hotter than Ema, certainly.' ::''Slams hand on desk'':: As if anyone with eyes did not already know this! ::''Points'':: Yes, Mia IS hotter than Ema, smarter, and nicer! And if that were the purpose of this trial, you might have managed a full acquittal! But I must remind you again, the purpose of this trial is to determine 'is Ema Skye hot?', and ONLY to determine that fact! Mia Fey's hotness ::''Slams hand on desk'':: still has no relevance!

**** ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::''Smirks, wags finger'':: Nice try, rookie. But look back. What have you proven? 'Mia Fey is a very nice, smoking hot lady. Nicer and hotter than Ema, certainly.' ::''Slams hand on desk'':: As if anyone with eyes did not already know this! ::''Points'':: Yes, Mia IS hotter than Ema, smarter, and nicer! And if that were the purpose of this trial, you might have managed a full acquittal! But I must remind you again, the purpose of this trial is to determine 'is Ema Skye hot?', and ONLY to determine that fact! Mia Fey's hotness ::''Slams hand on desk'':: still has no relevance!

**** Urk! (I thought I was on the right track...? Damn, I don't have any other options!) The defense...the defense...

***** Phoenix...your looking at this the wrong way. Don't ask why she isn't hot...point out evidence that only exists because she isn't...wow. Is that her? [[Ho Yay|And I thought Lana was hot...]]Nevermind, Wright. Your on your own on this one.

**** Phoenix Wright!!! You foolishly foolish fool! Only an idiot would not think of a night with Ema once laying eyes on her I mean...was that out loud? Shut up, lets go home Adrian.

**** No fisher brags about any fish but the one that got away, Trite. Ema is not nearly so objectionable as you claim. The unavailable ice queen angle is still quite attractive. Or would you really ::slams mug on desk:: {{color|red|.}}

**** No fisher brags about any fish but the one that got away, Trite. Ema is not nearly so objectionable as you claim. The unavailable ice queen angle is still quite attractive. Or would you really ::slams mug on desk:: {{color|red|...turn down Franziska Von Karma as well?!}}

**** ...! Godot! ::slams hand on desk:: I must ask you not to bring up Wright's relationship with Franziska! For...er..personal reasons.

** The defense would like to propose that Detective Skye is, indeed, a stone-cold fox, if you manage to snap her out of her bitchiness. As evidence, he would like to present various pieces of forensic investigation equipment, which make her instantly more personable. If you date her, bring a fingerprinting kit.

** I find her young self cute as heck, and for her older self, the ice queen types normally annoy me, but something her attitude is funny (QUIET, SNACK TIME) and her happy go lucky self can come out every so often, generally with the aid of scientific crap

* ORDER! (bangs gavel) We're here to discuss if Ema Skye can be considered "hot". We aren't discussing if she's the hottest thing in the series, just does she qualify. Any more bickering about irrelevant topics will result in penalties!

** ''''''{{color|red|T}}''''' Ema is definitely hot. ::''holds paper sheets in his hand while hitting them, triumph music starts playing'':: She was asked to provide security in The Gavinners concert, even though she publicly dislikes Klavier, such a band surely has the power (both as celebrities and as law officers) to have any member of the police staff they requested. On top of that, there weren't any groupies waiting in the Gavinners' dressing room. given all this evidence, one can assume that one or more of the Gavinners had the intention of performing actions of questionable nature with the detective. ::''Slams hand on bench'':: And why would someone have this intentions? ::''Points finger''::Because she is indeed hot!!!

** ''''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' Ema is definitely hot. ::''holds paper sheets in his hand while hitting them, triumph music starts playing'':: She was asked to provide security in The Gavinners concert, even though she publicly dislikes Klavier, such a band surely has the power (both as celebrities and as law officers) to have any member of the police staff they requested. On top of that, there weren't any groupies waiting in the Gavinners' dressing room. given all this evidence, one can assume that one or more of the Gavinners had the intention of performing actions of questionable nature with the detective. ::''Slams hand on bench'':: And why would someone have this intentions? ::''Points finger''::Because she is indeed hot!!!

*** (Gasp!) Mr. Nick! How dare you do that to Mystic Maya! (Slap)

** What's going on in this thread, pal?

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== Kay Faraday is hot. ==

She charmed a national ambassador who's twice her age within hours, made even [[Whip It Good|Franziska]] and [[Badass|Detective Badd]] show softness with her, somehow convinced Edgeworth to not immediately dump her somewhere when they first met despite how annoyingly [[Genki Girl|Genki]] she has, and later managed to drag him off to the Allebaht/Babahl embassy events when he just wants to take it easy after spending the previous day investigating '''three''' murder cases at a pace that made [[Twenty Four|24]] seem sedate. [[Canon Sue]]? Perhaps. But still indisputably hot.

* ''''''{{color|red|E}}''''' ::points:: Obviously, Kay Faraday has stolen your heart.

* ''''''{{color|red|EUREKA!}}''''' ::points:: Obviously, Kay Faraday has stolen your heart.

* ''''''{{color|red|N}}''''' This is all circumstantial Mr. Prosecutor! This old pack ain't gonna run with weak reasoning like that. You know what I'm talking about? Proof!

* ''''''{{color|red|NOT SO FAST!}}''''' This is all circumstantial Mr. Prosecutor! This old pack ain't gonna run with weak reasoning like that. You know what I'm talking about? Proof!

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::points:: Your honor! Without proof, that statement is nothing more than a personal opinion, and won't do in court! ::slams desk:: All that it proved was that Kay Faraday is a charming young lady, which doesn't prove that she's 'hot'! I am forced to ask for some {{color|red|e}}!!

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::points:: Your honor! Without proof, that statement is nothing more than a personal opinion, and won't do in court! ::slams desk:: All that it proved was that Kay Faraday is a charming young lady, which doesn't prove that she's 'hot'! I am forced to ask for some {{color|red|evidence}}!!

* ''''''{{color|red|T}}''''' In Turnabout Ablaze, she stood next to a burning building! That would make her very hot! While it is impossible to prove that she is hot through opinion... :desk slam: You can certainly prove it with fact! In fact, since she has been closer to the largest fire in the series than the above witnesses... I submit to the court that Kay Faraday is the hottest girl in the series!

* ''''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' In Turnabout Ablaze, she stood next to a burning building! That would make her very hot! While it is impossible to prove that she is hot through opinion... :desk slam: You can certainly prove it with fact! In fact, since she has been closer to the largest fire in the series than the above witnesses... I submit to the court that Kay Faraday is the hottest girl in the series!

** ''''''{{color|red|N}}''''' Sorry, pup, but this wolf isn't gonna bite. Just 'cause she was standing ''near'' a fire, doesn't mean anything if you're trying to prove she's 'hot'. But if that's your line of thinking... ::close up, speed lines:: Then I guess everyone involved in that case is potentionally hot?!

** ''''''{{color|red|NOT SO FAST!}}''''' Sorry, pup, but this wolf isn't gonna bite. Just 'cause she was standing ''near'' a fire, doesn't mean anything if you're trying to prove she's 'hot'. But if that's your line of thinking... ::close up, speed lines:: Then I guess everyone involved in that case is potentionally hot?!

*** ::head scratch:: Well... yes. Can you name a single person in that case who wasn't hot?

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::slaps paper:: Are you implying that everyone in that case was hot? :slams hands on desk: There is just one thing off in your logic. ::points:: What about the people who were in the other building? ::close up and speedlines:: What about Oldbag?!?!

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::slaps paper:: Are you implying that everyone in that case was hot? :slams hands on desk: There is just one thing off in your logic. ::points:: What about the people who were in the other building? ::close up and speedlines:: What about Oldbag?!?!

** (Barges in) Mr, Edgeworth, sir! We just got a report back from the boys in the lab, and it says Kay's very short skirt is more than a little titillating! I think this might be enough to prove she's hot, pal!

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Kay Faraday is a pettanko with no real sex appeal! Plus, while not making a comparison to the hotness of other Ace Attorney females (such as in the Is Ema Skye Hot WMG), the fact is, the player has been exposed to way hotter, and as such, Kay Faraday and her mild attractiveness should leave no impact on the player. Thus, she shouldn't be considered hot. (On the subject of her younger self being adorable, however...)

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Kay Faraday is a pettanko with no real sex appeal! Plus, while not making a comparison to the hotness of other Ace Attorney females (such as in the Is Ema Skye Hot WMG), the fact is, the player has been exposed to way hotter, and as such, Kay Faraday and her mild attractiveness should leave no impact on the player. Thus, she shouldn't be considered hot. (On the subject of her younger self being adorable, however...)

** ''''''{{color|red|N}}''''' You refer to the precedent set by the Ema Skye WMG. However, it was established there-- and thus stands true here-- that ''only OBJECTIVE hotness matters!'' Furthermore, in addition to her still having a chance to [[She Is All Grown Up|fill out a bit more]], breast size is only one aspect of perceived hotness! I submit for your consideration her incredibly short skirt.

** ''''''{{color|red|NOT SO FAST!}}''''' You refer to the precedent set by the Ema Skye WMG. However, it was established there-- and thus stands true here-- that ''only OBJECTIVE hotness matters!'' Furthermore, in addition to her still having a chance to [[She Is All Grown Up|fill out a bit more]], breast size is only one aspect of perceived hotness! I submit for your consideration her incredibly short skirt.

*** We accept her skirt into evidence and concede on the matter of Objective Hotness. Ah, but lest you forget the rest of her outfit, her ugly rubber boots nullify the hotness of her legs and short skirt. While you could be looking at a whole lotta leg or some fetish-y Zettai Ryouiki, these abominations of footwear stare you right in the face. You cannot concentrate on a ruffling skirt when those things catch your eye. Furthermore, Kay has no fashion in any sense of the word. Her ensemble does her body a disservice. Her scarf does a fine job of covering up her neck and collar bone and any other sexy elements. Her outfit in general looks terrible, and her face is an awfully generic "mischevious face", offering no unqiue appeal. Now if you wish to suggest that Kay is hot au natural or in other clothing, without her joke of an outfit, I may have to reconsider.

**** ''''''{{color|red|T}}''''' I will submit [http://fav.me/d2pp0ri this piece of fanart], which may not show as much skin as other females in the AA cast, but definitely shows that Kay, given the chance to grow a little older and "fill out," can definitely be one sexy Great Thief. Therefore, you must reconsider now and conclude that Kay is, indeed, hot - or at least, has the potential to be hot.

**** ''''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' I will submit [http://fav.me/d2pp0ri this piece of fanart], which may not show as much skin as other females in the AA cast, but definitely shows that Kay, given the chance to grow a little older and "fill out," can definitely be one sexy Great Thief. Therefore, you must reconsider now and conclude that Kay is, indeed, hot - or at least, has the potential to be hot.

== Edgeworth would make a hot woman. ==

* He'd certainly pull of a Tres Bien uniform better than Wright.

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' This court will not accept evidence that will mentally scar the judge!

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' This court will not accept evidence that will mentally scar the judge!

* Scar... [[Stupid Sexy Flanders|OR]] [[Attractive Bent Gender|IMPRESS]]?!

* ::Gavel bang:: No, just scar. ::Penalty::

* {{color|blue| }} Aha! I have you now, Your Honor! I move to accuse ::close up, speedlines:: the judge of murder!

* {{color|blue| (Ack! I must be on the wrong track! ... Maybe I can turn this case all around... Think outside the box...)}} Aha! I have you now, Your Honor! I move to accuse ::close up, speedlines:: the judge of murder!

== Dick Gumshoe is hot. ==

... Well, I think so anyway.

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It happens to everyone ''else'' Oldbag likes.

* By this logic, Larry Butz will ''never'' die.

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' It only happens when those that Oldbag likes are mentioned for the first time! Edgeworth's been around for three games, and he hasn't been killed!

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' It only happens when those that Oldbag likes are mentioned for the first time! Edgeworth's been around for three games, and he hasn't been killed!

** ''Yet.''

** ''Where'' was Edgeworth during ''[[Apollo Justice]]''...?

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* Yet more 'Nickwank' * tallies*

* Ezekiel finds this explanation both straightforward and logical.

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' If Ema Skye did not exist, then {{spoiler|Damon Gant would have had no hold over Lana concerning the murder of her fellow detective. The only reason he could blackmail her is because she was worried that Ema would be found guilty of that very murder!}} Or are you suggesting she's the kind of person that can turn a blind eye to injustice for the sake of her own career? {{spoiler|For that matter, without having Ema in the room as a scapegoat and a way to get an emotional stranglehold on Lana, Gant would have had no immediate reason to kill Detective Marshall, which means he wouldn't have committed the murder of Detective Goodman either. True, he might have manipulated Lana some other way, but the point is that case 1-5 ''would never have happened''.}}

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' If Ema Skye did not exist, then {{spoiler|Damon Gant would have had no hold over Lana concerning the murder of her fellow detective. The only reason he could blackmail her is because she was worried that Ema would be found guilty of that very murder!}} Or are you suggesting she's the kind of person that can turn a blind eye to injustice for the sake of her own career? {{spoiler|For that matter, without having Ema in the room as a scapegoat and a way to get an emotional stranglehold on Lana, Gant would have had no immediate reason to kill Detective Marshall, which means he wouldn't have committed the murder of Detective Goodman either. True, he might have manipulated Lana some other way, but the point is that case 1-5 ''would never have happened''.}}

* Ack! Well...what if case 5 and the SL-9 Incident never happened at all? Then {{spoiler|Gant would never become Police Chief. But perhaps he was given a chance to {{color|red|c}} so that he WAS Police Chief. But, because it is a Monkey's Paw alternate universe, him becoming the police chief also resulted in him becoming a blackmailing murderer}}

* Ack! Well...what if case 5 and the SL-9 Incident never happened at all? Then {{spoiler|Gant would never become Police Chief. But perhaps he was given a chance to {{color|red|change history}} so that he WAS Police Chief. But, because it is a Monkey's Paw alternate universe, him becoming the police chief also resulted in him becoming a blackmailing murderer}}

*** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Alternatively, in the first run through, Lana was found guilty. Over the course of the next two games, Ema realized that Phoenix Wright would be able to save her and so built a time machine to send back a note to herself telling her to go find him, thus created an altered timeline which eventually led to the Apollo Justice and Investigations plots.

*** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Alternatively, in the first run through, Lana was found guilty. Over the course of the next two games, Ema realized that Phoenix Wright would be able to save her and so built a time machine to send back a note to herself telling her to go find him, thus created an altered timeline which eventually led to the Apollo Justice and Investigations plots.

== Gant is Phoenix's father. And Apollo's. And Zak Gramarye's. ==

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== Pearl's father is Manfred von Karma. The two evils cancelled each other out and made Pearl the bastion of sweetness that she is. ==

I take your Pearls and raise it to the fact that not only is Pearl really Manfred's daughter, but Franziska von Karma is Misty (and I ''do'' mean Misty)'s daughter. Manfred vK doesn't have any 'good' children- his oldest daughter is a failure, and his wife died in childbirth. He finds that (though it goes against his nature) he misses his wife, and goes to Kurain village to channel her. Misty accomplishes this, and they end up spending... 'time' together. Later, Misty 'wakes up', and in 9 months she is pregnant. Her husband has left her by now, and she doesn't know what to do. Manfred wishes to have his wife's spirit channeled again, and he goes back to Kurain village to find that Misty is pregnant. Putting two and two together he realizes that it is possibly ''his'' child. When the child is born, Manfred vK blackmails Misty (using Maya and Mia...?) into giving him the baby. She complies, and tries to forget about it ever happening. The baby is named 'Franziska', and all is well. At least, until DL-6 when Misty vanished. He tries to ignore that she is gone, but at the same time she was the one who could contact his dead wife. He eventually tried to get someone else to channel his wife, and he got to Morgan. She had guessed what had happened to Misty, and so she agreed to channel Manfred's wife. She did not wish to actually ''channel'' her though, and instead she made sure she knew enough that she successfully faked channeling his wife. She wished for a child as a 'Take That!' against her husband who had left her, and her knowledge of Manfred vK lead her to decide that he would be a good 'sperm donor' as it were. She made sure that she hid her signs of pregnancy, and then had the baby girl early. It worked, Manfred became too busy with adding the finishing touches to perfecting Miles Edgeworth, and his daughter was becoming a prosecutor in her own right, and he missed the fact that he could have had another daughter. Morgan named her daughter "Pearl" after the way a Pearl is created when a tiny grain of sand- a seed, if you will- gets into the Oyster. She raises her child hoping that Pearl would turn out to be as ruthless as her father, however she didn't think about the impact that Mia and Maya would have on her precious.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Maya and Franziska are almost exactly the same age - both are eighteen in JFA. I suppose they could have been twins, with Manfred demanding the child that more strongly resembled him.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Maya and Franziska are almost exactly the same age - both are eighteen in JFA. I suppose they could have been twins, with Manfred demanding the child that more strongly resembled him.

** Ooh- that's even better!

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::Head shake:: Sorry, one tiny detail there contradicts one big point of Pearl's back story. The fact that her father left when she was very young. {{color|red|n}}. You're saying that Mr. Von Karma wasn't even aware of Morgan's pregnancy. In addition, it was stated that Pearl's father is {{color|red|M}}. [[Arson Murder and Jaywalking|Also, Pearl's hair is brown.]]

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::Head shake:: Sorry, one tiny detail there contradicts one big point of Pearl's back story. The fact that her father left when she was very young. {{color|red|not before she was born!}}. You're saying that Mr. Von Karma wasn't even aware of Morgan's pregnancy. In addition, it was stated that Pearl's father is {{color|red|Morgan's second husband!}}. [[Arson Murder and Jaywalking|Also, Pearl's hair is brown.]]

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' There is one way to clear this up:Morgan's 2nd husband either refused to have sex with her for whatever reason or [[Law of Inverse Fertility|had fertility problems]] so Morgan decided to cheat on him with Manfred. This most likely caused problems in Morgan's relationship leading to her husband leaving her. Also, for all we know, Manfred's hair could have been brown when he was young and Franziska's hair is dyed.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' There is one way to clear this up:Morgan's 2nd husband either refused to have sex with her for whatever reason or [[Law of Inverse Fertility|had fertility problems]] so Morgan decided to cheat on him with Manfred. This most likely caused problems in Morgan's relationship leading to her husband leaving her. Also, for all we know, Manfred's hair could have been brown when he was young and Franziska's hair is dyed.

*** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Let's remember Manfred's character here. Does he really seem like the type to have an affair with anybody? Let's also Manfred's perfection obsession. Do you really think he'd go in unprotected? In addition, he probably would keep his hair dyed if that were the case.

*** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Let's remember Manfred's character here. Does he really seem like the type to have an affair with anybody? Let's also Manfred's perfection obsession. Do you really think he'd go in unprotected? In addition, he probably would keep his hair dyed if that were the case.

**** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Who said it was consensual? Anyway, Franziska and Pearl actually have a lot in common. They've both been described as prodigies, are (in some ways) more mature than you'd expect from people their age, and physically assault people(especially Phoenix Wright, both of them even knock him out on one occasion each) without any attempt to punish them in any way.

**** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Who said it was consensual? Anyway, Franziska and Pearl actually have a lot in common. They've both been described as prodigies, are (in some ways) more mature than you'd expect from people their age, and physically assault people(especially Phoenix Wright, both of them even knock him out on one occasion each) without any attempt to punish them in any way.

* An attempt to put this theory in a legible story format can be found [http://loracarol.deviantart.com/art/PW-Crack-Theorem-157058204 here]. It's a little easier to read than the mass of text above. X3

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== Misty Fey is Miles Edgeworth's mother. By this same logic Gregory Edgeworth is Mia and Maya's father. ==

Miles mother is never mentioned in canon and the Fey's father is mentioned only in passing. So what if the other is the missing parent of each family? Say Misty and Gregory fell in love with each other. Mia was born, but they realized they had a problem when Miles was born. Kurain's inner family politics is vicious and the Branch Fey families are not afraid to use anything or person to their advantage. There is also the fact that Kurain is not all that friendly towards men. In order to protect and give Miles a normal life, Gregory covered up all connections he had with Misty so they could never use his son as a pawn. Misty and Gregory still secretly kept in touch with each other and visited each other occasionally, later resulting in the birth of Maya. When the tragedy of DL-6 occurred, Misty knowingly went along with Gregory's lie about Yanni Yogi in order to protect their son from suspicion. The guilt of that act, as well as the shaming of the Fey family name is what drove her into self-exile. As the result of those two's efforts neither Miles nor the Fey sisters realize they are siblings.

* ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Gregory never lied about Yanni. He was deceived into thinking so by the real murderer.

* ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Gregory never lied about Yanni. He was deceived into thinking so by the real murderer.

* ''''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Gregory wasn't deceived, he simply didn't know. He was unconscious when Von Karma shot him, and his last memory was Yanni Yogi attacking him when a gunshot went off, so he assumed that Yogi shot him.

* ''''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Gregory wasn't deceived, he simply didn't know. He was unconscious when Von Karma shot him, and his last memory was Yanni Yogi attacking him when a gunshot went off, so he assumed that Yogi shot him.

** Hence the deception.

** ''''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Gregory is a smart man (he'd have to be to make a dent in von Karma) and he'd know that there would be two immediate suspects for his murder, Yanni Yogi and 'his own son, Miles'. Yanni because he attacked him, and Miles because he ''threw Yanni's gun and it discharged''. While Yanni was pursued as the prime suspect, the police ran into such a brick wall during their investigation that they resorted to using Misty Fey. But they could have just as easily turned their eyes to the only other person in the elevator, Miles. The games have shown that time and time again the court system is brutal; even self-defence is hinted to ''ruin'' the defendent's life. Gregory would know this, and that would be a powerful motivator to say it was Yanni--a likely candidate anyway, to remove any chance of suspision turning to his son.

** ''''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Gregory is a smart man (he'd have to be to make a dent in von Karma) and he'd know that there would be two immediate suspects for his murder, Yanni Yogi and 'his own son, Miles'. Yanni because he attacked him, and Miles because he ''threw Yanni's gun and it discharged''. While Yanni was pursued as the prime suspect, the police ran into such a brick wall during their investigation that they resorted to using Misty Fey. But they could have just as easily turned their eyes to the only other person in the elevator, Miles. The games have shown that time and time again the court system is brutal; even self-defence is hinted to ''ruin'' the defendent's life. Gregory would know this, and that would be a powerful motivator to say it was Yanni--a likely candidate anyway, to remove any chance of suspision turning to his son.

* I wrote about this at length some time ago on CR. Whether or not Edgey was an illegitimate child is up to debate, but it ''was'' possible for Gregory to have had some sort of relationship with Misty. As the Master of Kurain, infighting directed at Misty's immediate family would have been particularly intense, and we know already that Fey men often leave due to the structure of the Fey family and the fact that men have no place in the Kurain tradition, so it's not unlikely that Gregory left Misty and took Miles with him to protect him from the family's power complex. The possibility that Gregory and Misty had some sort of connection is made more likely when we consider Misty's involvement in DL-6: having a spirit medium aid a murder investigation was a first, and it carried with it the enormous risk of ruining the reputation of both the police department and the Kurain Channelling Technique. Misty wouldn't have had a lot of reason to help out unless she had a personal connection to the case, which she would have had if Miles was her son. Fast forward to the present, and we see that Edgeworth also bears quite a physical resemblance to the Feys, to the point where his and Young Mia's "shocked" animations are identical. He is also, notably, able to use the Magatama despite his fervent disbelief in it and his lack of guidance by someone who knew how to use it.

* Just to add fuel to this fire, it is also possible that Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth are {{color|red|b}}, or possibly {{color|red|c}}! If Phoenix is, in fact, the son of a Spirit Medium, then it is possible he is also related to the Feys. His own father may have had a brief affair with Misty Fey, or it is even possible that Morgan Fey herself is Phoenix's mother, with a second, unknown man being his father. This is supported by his ability to use the Magatama and hear Mia's voice without her first being channeled, and their ability to use the...'''''{{color|red|S}}'''''

* Just to add fuel to this fire, it is also possible that Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth are {{color|red|brothers}}, or possibly {{color|red|cousins}}! If Phoenix is, in fact, the son of a Spirit Medium, then it is possible he is also related to the Feys. His own father may have had a brief affair with Misty Fey, or it is even possible that Morgan Fey herself is Phoenix's mother, with a second, unknown man being his father. This is supported by his ability to use the Magatama and hear Mia's voice without her first being channeled, and their ability to use the...'''''{{color|red|SUPER OBJECTION!!!}}'''''

== Phoenix Wright is [[Batman]]. ==

Think about it. He realized that his days as an active superhero were over, and decided to protect the innocent in another way - as a defense attorney. He had to change his name, of course, or else he'd be too conspicuous. On top of this, has anyone else noticed that despite complaining about the bills and yet not taking on many jobs, that Phoenix oddly manages to keep his house rented and pays for Maya's appetite? As Batman, he'd have his fortune to mooch off of. To top it off, it's obvious that the spikes in his hair are simply a result of him hiding his old Batman spikes in it to use as backup weapons.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Batman can actually ''drive''.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Batman can actually ''drive''.

** Phoenix could be faking an inability to drive as part of his cover-up.

* Phoenix has a house?

* You know, I can easily see many Batman characters fitting in to the Pheonix Wright universe. Seriously. Picture a courtroom battle between Phoenix Wright and Two-Face. So easy!

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Bruce Wayne is in his late 30s - early 40s while Phoenix is in his mid 20s in his own arc, and in his early 30s in Apollo Justice.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Bruce Wayne is in his late 30s - early 40s while Phoenix is in his mid 20s in his own arc, and in his early 30s in Apollo Justice.

* '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' What if this WMG has it backwards, and in fact he was Phoenix Wright ''then'' Batman?

* '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' What if this WMG has it backwards, and in fact he was Phoenix Wright ''then'' Batman?

== Apollo's father is still alive. ==

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* When a Prosecutor from Germany visits LA, he or she is treated with extreme deference, and may be assumed to be familiar with the US legal system... perhaps because the US and German legal systems are now one and the same. The same goes for German rock stars.

** The US and German legal systems aren't one and the same. You can become a lawyer at a younger age in Germany.

** ''''''{{color|red|O}}''''' That is because is in the Germans best interest to have more GERMAN law enforcers , ergo they allow them to become prosecutors at a younger age

** ''''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' That is because is in the Germans best interest to have more GERMAN law enforcers , ergo they allow them to become prosecutors at a younger age

* And most tellingly, given that this is LA, where are all the minorities? There aren't any.

* Except for the Japanese. Aha.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' If this is so, explain how Dee Vasquez, Juan Corrida, and Diego Armando not only ''exist'', but were able to become successful at their respective jobs? Also, I'm not sure what Damon Gant is, but he is ''certainly'' neither white nor Japanese!

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' If this is so, explain how Dee Vasquez, Juan Corrida, and Diego Armando not only ''exist'', but were able to become successful at their respective jobs? Also, I'm not sure what Damon Gant is, but he is ''certainly'' neither white nor Japanese!

*** There's a simple answer for this, and it also helps explain why the Nazis won. Remember that message Germany tried to send to Mexico during [[WW 1]], encouraging them to attack the US? In this AU, they got it. And followed it.

** That may be so, but the defense would like to point out that during the Holocaust, there was also rampant persecution of homosexuals. Explain the continued existence of ''half the damn cast.''

*** In this AU, [[Ho Yay]] is outlawed. That's why there aren't any explicitly established homosexuals in the cast. Not even Jean.

**** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Jean flirts with and only tolerates flirting from male characters! Combine this with the decor of his restaurant and his eccentric dress, and you have no other explanation but homosexuality!

**** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Jean flirts with and only tolerates flirting from male characters! Combine this with the decor of his restaurant and his eccentric dress, and you have no other explanation but homosexuality!

**** He's French illegal immigrant. In AU's, everything is possible.

** Game 3 case 1 mentions both the Union Jack and "stars and stripes" still exist, how would this be if the Nazis took over?

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* So what does this mean regarding the fact that he lost the badge in game 4?

* He has ED?

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' The witness's statement is... clearly faulty, Your Honor.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' The witness's statement is... clearly faulty, Your Honor.

** The Answer's obvious. He woke up one morning, with a bad hangover. And his penis was missing again. This happens all the time--it's detachable.

*** This had ''better'' be unrelated to Missile eating all the hotdogs.

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== The events of the ''[[Ace Attorney (Visual Novel)|Ace Attorney]]'' games happen in a distant future of the ''[[Discworld (Literature)|Discworld]]'' universe. ==

In the ''[[Discworld (Literature)|Discworld]]'' books, it is frequently stated that one-in-a-million chances happen nine times out of ten. Most of the events and circumstances surrounding Phoenix's cases are one-in-a-million chances. Phoenix is a descendant of Granny Weatherwax, which is why he's so good at making up [[Ass Pull]] explanations that end up being right (and it also would explain a lot about his personality and actions in Apollo Justice). The reason why magic and non-humans don't exist any more is simply because people stopped believing in them. (Hey, it works for the anthropomorphic personifications, as proven in ''[[Discworld (Literature)/Hogfather|Hogfather]]''.)

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Clearly the candidate for being Granny Weatherwax's descendant is Damon Gant. I submit to you as evidence his ability to ''stare into your soul!''

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Clearly the candidate for being Granny Weatherwax's descendant is Damon Gant. I submit to you as evidence his ability to ''stare into your soul!''

** Mustrum Ridcully seems like a better candidate for Damon Gant's ancestor than Granny Weatherwax.

** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Esmerelda Weatherwax is clearly established to have gone straight from being the Maiden to being the... Other One without ever meeting the technical requirements to be the Mother! Therefore, it is {{color|red|i}}!

** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Esmerelda Weatherwax is clearly established to have gone straight from being the Maiden to being the... Other One without ever meeting the technical requirements to be the Mother! Therefore, it is {{color|red|impossible that anyone is her descendent}}!

== Phoenix will become a Godot-esque character ==

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== The games are designed to spawn memetic mutation. ==

I hold as evidence that the collective writers here have, on several occasions, slipped into character, or at least used the various catchphrases from the games. This also tends to occur in just about any Ace Attorney-related thread [[Neo Silver Thorn]] has ever read. As such, it leads me to believe that the games are, in fact, an experiment in memetic mutation that Capcom is performing on the gaming community.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' I object! That was...damn it.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' I object! That was...damn it.

** ''::bows::'' Your honor, the prosecution would like to thank the defense for proving its point.

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His mind-reading is less than developed, but he does have the ability to project thoughts to others. This explains how come his partner ''du jour'' can always read his blue 'thought' text. Not only that, it explains exactly what he does when he presents evidence or profiles. He doesn't show an object or a photograph; instead, he plants an image of the object or person into his target's mind. Since Apollo studied Phoenix's cases and his signature attorney style, he also studied telepathy and learned to project thoughts in the same manner.

* On the other hand, the blue text could just be Phoenix talking to himself, like in an aside or soliloquy in a play. Given the script-like nature of characters' speech, it's not that far of a leap, and his partner's proximity to him would allow him to privately share certain thoughts.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}'''''] In the first game, third case, Edgeworth answers to the blue text a few times, and then Phoenix says something among the lines of ''How does he know what I'm thinking?'' and then Edgeworth answers this. But not with ''I don't. You're just talking to yourself.'' Because the blue text is not Phoenix talking to himself.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}'''''] In the first game, third case, Edgeworth answers to the blue text a few times, and then Phoenix says something among the lines of ''How does he know what I'm thinking?'' and then Edgeworth answers this. But not with ''I don't. You're just talking to yourself.'' Because the blue text is not Phoenix talking to himself.

== The prosecutors do not actually have the authority to cut Gumshoe's pay. ==

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== Maya will appear in the next game... ==

And it'll be what inspires Phoenix to taking up defending again. As we know, it is almost tradition for the girl to be accused of/related to a murder, and such if she made a return, it would almost be inevitably because of such a thing. Phoenix would have Apollo try and defend her to the best of his ability, all the while trying to get his badge back - we know that such a thing apparently doesn't take too long if its recognised that you have experience, hence why Godot seemed to come out of nowhere. Phoenix will then make an epic [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment with his classic objection, and will take over the case for Apollo.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' It is more likely that Phoenix would make his [[Big Damn Heroes]] Objection while not being a defense attorney. Think about it: so many non-attorney characters have made objections and saved the trial. It'd actually be much harder for Phoenix to object and try to overtake Apollo's role as the defense attorney, because, as evidenced in AJ case 4, defense attorney switching takes place outside of court. Phoenix has better luck saving Maya as a random bystander bursting into the courtroom then a licensed DA.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' It is more likely that Phoenix would make his [[Big Damn Heroes]] Objection while not being a defense attorney. Think about it: so many non-attorney characters have made objections and saved the trial. It'd actually be much harder for Phoenix to object and try to overtake Apollo's role as the defense attorney, because, as evidenced in AJ case 4, defense attorney switching takes place outside of court. Phoenix has better luck saving Maya as a random bystander bursting into the courtroom then a licensed DA.

== Maya Fey is bulimic. ==

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Based on the first three posts in [http://www.pwmusical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1248 this] thread.

* Is is [[Squick|surprisingly plausible]]. I think I need to [[Brain Bleach|go lie down]] for a little bit...

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Part of the testimony in that thread has a clear contradiction! See the final post at the bottom of the page [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=945812&topic=53704168&page=3 here].

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Part of the testimony in that thread has a clear contradiction! See the final post at the bottom of the page [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=945812&topic=53704168&page=3 here].

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Your contradiction holds no water, as shown [http://www.pwmusical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1248&p=41244&hilit=rebuttal# p41244 here]

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Your contradiction holds no water, as shown [http://www.pwmusical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1248&p=41244&hilit=rebuttal# p41244 here]

* And here's another something linking Thalassa to Leto, which the poster seems to have missed: Leto is goddess of "being unseen." Who, pray tell, was ''blind'' for a while?

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* In ''Apollo Justice'' Ema didn't actually flunk out of forensic school, she chose to come back to help Kay as a detective.

** That's why she's acting as security at the Gavinners concert, she's really watching for {{spoiler|evidence of the cocoon smuggling ring}}.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}'''''! {{spoiler|Kay specified girls of around the same age}}. Replace Klavier with Maya Fey. She would act as the defense attorney with Kay as the prosecutor. Kay said she wanted {{spoiler|the second Yagaratsu to be a team of three attractive women}}. With two previous [[Wild Mass Guessing]] devoted to discussion of how Kay and Ema are hot and considering [[Gag Boobs|Maya's sister]], [[She Cleans Up Nicely|this could work.]]

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}'''''! {{spoiler|Kay specified girls of around the same age}}. Replace Klavier with Maya Fey. She would act as the defense attorney with Kay as the prosecutor. Kay said she wanted {{spoiler|the second Yagaratsu to be a team of three attractive women}}. With two previous [[Wild Mass Guessing]] devoted to discussion of how Kay and Ema are hot and considering [[Gag Boobs|Maya's sister]], [[She Cleans Up Nicely|this could work.]]

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Maya never meets Ema or Kay. Replace Maya with Franny. {{spoiler|The Yatagarasu needs three skillsets. Kay provides the infiltration and uses Little Thief, Ema is the investigator who covers up evidence and uses her mad science skillz, Franny controls the courts and uses her Interpol contacts to find the information for Kay to steal.}}

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Maya never meets Ema or Kay. Replace Maya with Franny. {{spoiler|The Yatagarasu needs three skillsets. Kay provides the infiltration and uses Little Thief, Ema is the investigator who covers up evidence and uses her mad science skillz, Franny controls the courts and uses her Interpol contacts to find the information for Kay to steal.}}

*** I vote for Ron DeLite being the third, personally. (You can't tell me he isn't pretty enough or girly enough! Not without lying.)

* Personally, I always thought it would be Kay, Maya and Trucy. The three sidekicks from each each arc, coming together as one. Kay would provide Little Thief, Maya would provide spiritual aid, and Trucy would provide her magical prowess.

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== Quercus Alba is related to [[Final Fantasy V|ExDeath]]. ==

He is clearly a human-shaped tree.

* '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' I'm more than fairly certain Alba wasn't created from a thousand evil souls being sealed into a tree. But I applaud your reference of the evil tree.

* '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' I'm more than fairly certain Alba wasn't created from a thousand evil souls being sealed into a tree. But I applaud your reference of the evil tree.

** Quercus Alba is the exact inverse of Exdeath: he is a thousand evil trees sealed into a man.

== The main character of the next game will be The Judge, with a bailiff as his partner. ==

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== Kay will next show up in her own Investigations style game ==

Where she as Edgeworth's successor(and maybe part of the new Yatagarasu on the side) takes Edgeworth's investigative role and goes to trial unlike ''Edgeworth Investigates''. Having to deal with a competitive and lecherous Klavier, a older and even more bumbling OVER PROMOTED Chief Gumshoe, a surly and bitter Ema (who '''doesn't''' like that Kay actually managed to reach her dream) and goes up against Apollo and others such as older more disgusting Grossman. One case will be against a newly reinstated Phoenix defending Maya, which will be unwinnable, because Phoenix as his new [[The Chessmaster|Chessmastery]] self will the universe's resident [[The Ace|Ace]].

* '''{{color|red|O}}''' Isn't it because law is hindered and can't always bring about truth the reason that Kay becomes the Yatagarasu? One would think she'd find being the Yatagarasu more valuable than being a lawyer, and invest her full time in it. Plus, Kay comes across as a kleptomaniac even outside of stealing 'the truth', considering how she's always talking about stealing everything in sight (or even intangible things like lines and jobs).

* '''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''' Isn't it because law is hindered and can't always bring about truth the reason that Kay becomes the Yatagarasu? One would think she'd find being the Yatagarasu more valuable than being a lawyer, and invest her full time in it. Plus, Kay comes across as a kleptomaniac even outside of stealing 'the truth', considering how she's always talking about stealing everything in sight (or even intangible things like lines and jobs).

== Shi-Long Lang really is a werewolf. ==

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I haven't seen all of the cases yet (I'm still working my way through the second game) but the only other people I see who can make a claim to this are Larry Butz and Lotta Hart, and they both are selfish [[Butt Monkey|butt monkeys]] who keep on getting in your way. Maybe they're just less evil.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::desk slam:: I-5 gives us {{spoiler|Colias Palaeno}}, with closed eyes 90% of the time but turns out to be a really nice guy. Further, after {{spoiler|Quercus Alba}} undergoes [[The Reveal]], his eyes hardly stay closed throughout the rest of the case! ::point:: This clearly contradicts your hypothesis!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::desk slam:: I-5 gives us {{spoiler|Colias Palaeno}}, with closed eyes 90% of the time but turns out to be a really nice guy. Further, after {{spoiler|Quercus Alba}} undergoes [[The Reveal]], his eyes hardly stay closed throughout the rest of the case! ::point:: This clearly contradicts your hypothesis!

* Kinda justified, because by the last case of the most recent game people are bound to pick up on something like that subconsciously, and I can't be the only one who thought that the game was trying to make me hate Palaeno.

== Calisto Yew is Kay's mother ==

I have no proof for this other than {{spoiler|this would be another [[Lost|Faraday]] threatened by their mother}}.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Assuming her cited age in I-4 is correct ({{spoiler|it wouldn't be the only thing she's made up}}), she [[You Fail Biology Forever|would have been twelve when Kay was born]]! A clear contradiction!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Assuming her cited age in I-4 is correct ({{spoiler|it wouldn't be the only thing she's made up}}), she [[You Fail Biology Forever|would have been twelve when Kay was born]]! A clear contradiction!

** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Assuming that {{spoiler|Shih-Na's age is correct then Calisto could be any age. The age of one fake persona should have no relevance on the age of the actual person.}} Ergo, the previous statement is based on false evidence and is circumstantial at best!

** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Assuming that {{spoiler|Shih-Na's age is correct then Calisto could be any age. The age of one fake persona should have no relevance on the age of the actual person.}} Ergo, the previous statement is based on false evidence and is circumstantial at best!

*** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Where's your evidence of {{spoiler|Shih-Na's age}}? It clearly says in {{spoiler|her profile "Age: ??"}}!

*** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Where's your evidence of {{spoiler|Shih-Na's age}}? It clearly says in {{spoiler|her profile "Age: ??"}}!

** Byrne and Tyrell only met Calisto after the KG-9 incident, Tyrell says that she knew Kay sice she was born, there was no reason at all for Byrne or anybody to hide that Calisto was his wife or Kay's mother and finally {{spoiler|Kay obviously knows who her mother was, seeing as she went to live with her relatives after his father's death, and nobody really knew Calisto all that well seeing as nobody figured that she wasn't Cece's sister until much later}}, there is just no way she could be her mother.

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== Daryan Crescend is a member of [[The Syndicate|the smuggling ring]] from ''Investigations'' ==

It's been a while since I played ''Apollo Justice'' so please bear with me, but I don't think we ever got to know his motive for smuggling the cocoon out of Borginia other than that "he was a greedy [[Jerkass]]" (I'd like to think that Machi's motive for helping him was because of Lamiroir, though). This would explain a lot, especially since the ending for AAI implies that the ring is still alive, except with a new leader.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::slams desk:: We know full well that his reason for the smuggling was ::close-up, [[Speed Stripes|speed lines]]:: {{spoiler|to obtain a cure for the Chief Justice's son}}!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::slams desk:: We know full well that his reason for the smuggling was ::close-up, [[Speed Stripes|speed lines]]:: {{spoiler|to obtain a cure for the Chief Justice's son}}!

** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Who says it can't be both reasons? He needed the cocoon {{spoiler|for the Chief Justice's son}}, but who's to say that he didn't work with the Syndicate to complete his goal?

** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Who says it can't be both reasons? He needed the cocoon {{spoiler|for the Chief Justice's son}}, but who's to say that he didn't work with the Syndicate to complete his goal?

*** '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Where's your evidence that... ::[[Giving Someone the Pointer Finger|points]]:: ...anyone other than Crescend {{spoiler|and Machi}} was involved in the smuggling? ::slams desk:: Your only basis for this claim was the apparent lack of motive... ::close-up, speed lines:: ...which has already been proven false!

*** '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Where's your evidence that... ::[[Giving Someone the Pointer Finger|points]]:: ...anyone other than Crescend {{spoiler|and Machi}} was involved in the smuggling? ::slams desk:: Your only basis for this claim was the apparent lack of motive... ::close-up, speed lines:: ...which has already been proven false!

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::desk slam:: Being a member of the smuggling ring requires that the smuggling ring still exists at the time! However, according to the testimony of one Miles Edgeworth during the closing sequence, with the help of information from {{spoiler|Quercus Alba}} as uncovered in court... ::pointing:: {{spoiler|large-scale operations were begun to clean up the ring}}! Further, he refers to... ::desk slam, close-up, speed lines:: {{spoiler|the demise of [the] smuggling ring}}! That is indisputable testimony that the smuggling ring no longer exists!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::desk slam:: Being a member of the smuggling ring requires that the smuggling ring still exists at the time! However, according to the testimony of one Miles Edgeworth during the closing sequence, with the help of information from {{spoiler|Quercus Alba}} as uncovered in court... ::pointing:: {{spoiler|large-scale operations were begun to clean up the ring}}! Further, he refers to... ::desk slam, close-up, speed lines:: {{spoiler|the demise of [the] smuggling ring}}! That is indisputable testimony that the smuggling ring no longer exists!

== Snackoo is a euphemism ==

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** Percieve/Healing Touch, for one. The over the top [[Serious Business]] in both professions, for another. Plus, they both have a touch of Magic Realism (Percieve, Healing Touch, GUILT (admit it, it's clearly a MAGIC DISEASE), Channeling...)

** Operation=Trial, Angie=Maya, Prosecutor's Office=Delphi, GUILT=forged evidence, Hands Of Asclepius=von Karmas, Press=Scalpel, Present=Forceps, Advance Text=Antibiotic Gel...

** I have {{color|red|e}} Look at [http://www.legaljuice.com/objection.jpg this] and [[http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Cevian/Phoenix

** I have {{color|red|evidence!}} Look at [http://www.legaljuice.com/objection.jpg this] and [[http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/Cevian/Phoenix

== Wearing an attorney's badge gives the user limitted time control capabilities. ==

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== Edgeworth is becoming the Ace Attorney equivalent to [[Sherlock Holmes]] ==

He's got the detective skills, extensive knowledge in many fields, and has learned the benefits of keeping a [[The Watson|Watson]] around the place. He may quit being a prosecutor to help the helpless, or do some investigating on the side with Gumshoe in tow.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Watson is actually competent!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Watson is actually competent!

* Besides, this troper thinks Phoenix would make a better Watson.

* Personally, I think it's more like [[Detective Conan (Manga)|Conan]] and Kogoro, or at least Takagi.

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== Maggey Byrde is related to Glen Elg ==

It's not often you find two characters in this fandom that share the same traits such as bad luck, [[In the Blood|unless....]] But seriously. Maggey fell from several floors of her apartment building and ''survived.'' At the time, I bet her parents didn't chalk it up as the start of her natural disasters of luck, but as one parent neglecting her. This keeps happening over and over in different ways and boom! They're fighting like crazy and eventually divorce and one parent takes Maggey and the other remarries and has Glen, who also has it in his genetic coding to be cursed with bad luck.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' The whole crux of your argument is your theory that Elg was born after Maggey's parents were divorced, and that Glen is the child of a later marriage from one of them. You seem to forget that... {{color|red|G}}. By quite a few years in fact!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' The whole crux of your argument is your theory that Elg was born after Maggey's parents were divorced, and that Glen is the child of a later marriage from one of them. You seem to forget that... {{color|red|Glen Elg is older than Maggey!}}. By quite a few years in fact!

== Quercus Alba wasn't speaking in gaming terms metaphorically ==

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== Phoenix Wright is responsible for every single one of Winston Payne's failures ==

When Phoenix isn't involved in the case, he actually does quite well. Note that every single case we see him fail involves Phoenix, even when Phoenix is not the main character. We see him win the trail against Maggey Byrde, and he would have won the trial against Luke Atmey if Phoenix had not intervened.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Both of those cases had the defense... ''trying to lose!!'' I hardly think that counts!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Both of those cases had the defense... ''trying to lose!!'' I hardly think that counts!

* Well, he was known as the Rookie Killer. How could that name have come about if he wasn't a good prosecutor? Phoenix just throws him off of his groove.

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* He was originally Billy Bob Johns, the most pathetic magician ever. He tried to join Troupe Gramarye in order to improve and become the world's greatest magician. He got too cocky and tried an escape act that seriously injured him, ashamed to see his wife and son ever again he honed his magic to become a stage-magician under a new name, but became a [[Jerkass]] to hide the grief of his wife's death and losing track of his son.

'''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Mr. Galactica would have been [[You Fail Biology Forever|EIGHT]] when Apollo was born.

'''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Mr. Galactica would have been [[You Fail Biology Forever|EIGHT]] when Apollo was born.

== Franziska Von Karma will be the protagonist of the next investigations. ==

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* So her kidnapping in game 2 (she was starved) must have been absolute ''hell'' since she was channeling Mia several times...Damn. You. Matt. Engarde.

'''''{{color|red|O}}''''' That might not be the case! The physical changes themselves could be the cause of this! Radically changing a person's appearance would take massive amounts of energy, requiring ''A lot'' of food to keep up with the energy demands!

'''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' That might not be the case! The physical changes themselves could be the cause of this! Radically changing a person's appearance would take massive amounts of energy, requiring ''A lot'' of food to keep up with the energy demands!

== Colias Palaeno in Ace Attorney Investigations was in on the smuggling ring. ==

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== The mysterious voice in the Gyakuten Kenji 2 demo, who calls Edgeworth by his first name is either Gregory Edgeworth (channeled by a medium) or Phoenix Wright. ==

Nobody else would have a reason to call him "Reiji/Miles". Also, it would for both of them make sense to ask Edgeworth {{spoiler|if he is sure that he wants to stay a Prosecutor, or if he'd rather return to his "old" dream and become a Defense Attorney after all.}} For Gregory, the reason why he would ask his son this is obvious. And for Phoenix, it would make sense as well, seeing how {{spoiler|Edgeworth himself asked Phoenix a rather simmilar question a year prior, making it a Meaningful Echo.}} Of course, the voice could also be Mikagami Hakari, A.K.A. [[Fan Nickname|"Judgette"]], but one has to wonder why this hyper-formal woman would call him by his first name.

* '''''{{color|red|H}}''''' Are you referring to that new trailer for Gyakuten Kenji 2? The voice that's saying that part most definitely sounds like a man, so it's obviously not the "Judgette." Furthermore, it can't be Phoenix Wright or Gregory Edgeworth because the trailer clearly introduces a new character at those words - Tateyuki Shigaraki (the man with the brown shirt, blue tie, and hat). Apparently, {{spoiler|Shigaraki is a defense attorney who knew both Gregory and Miles Edgeworth from before DL-6, which explains why this new character refers to Edgeworth as "Reiji/Miles."}}

* '''''{{color|red|HOLD IT!}}''''' Are you referring to that new trailer for Gyakuten Kenji 2? The voice that's saying that part most definitely sounds like a man, so it's obviously not the "Judgette." Furthermore, it can't be Phoenix Wright or Gregory Edgeworth because the trailer clearly introduces a new character at those words - Tateyuki Shigaraki (the man with the brown shirt, blue tie, and hat). Apparently, {{spoiler|Shigaraki is a defense attorney who knew both Gregory and Miles Edgeworth from before DL-6, which explains why this new character refers to Edgeworth as "Reiji/Miles."}}

* '''''{{color|red|T}}''''' This may all be true, but if you take a look at the date this WMG was made, you will see that it is just a few days ''before'' the latest trailer was revealed... Ergo... {{color|red|'}}.

* '''''{{color|red|TAKE THAT!}}''''' This may all be true, but if you take a look at the date this WMG was made, you will see that it is just a few days ''before'' the latest trailer was revealed... Ergo... {{color|red|''THE TROPER HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING ABOUT TATEYUKI SHIGARAKI'S NAME OR ROLE!''}}.

== The reason why Edgeworth doesn't care about the law and only wishes to find the truth is because he hears of Wright's disbarment. ==

Because by finding out about Wright's disbarment, he would acknowledge that the law itself was imperfect and that only the truth is absolute. Of course, this troperette has no idea when [[GK 2]] takes place, so this could just be Edgey's take on things.

* ::''Taps papers. Grins.'':: '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ::''Slams desk.'':: '''''[http://aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline TAKE THAT!]''''' Phoenix's disbarment does not happen until weeks after Investigations ends!

* ::''Taps papers. Grins.'':: '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ::''Slams desk.'':: '''''[http://aceattorney.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline TAKE THAT!]''''' Phoenix's disbarment does not happen until weeks after Investigations ends!

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' Gyakuten Kenji 2 ends on April 9th 2019, a week or less away from Zak's arrest! therefore, it ''is'' possible!

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' Gyakuten Kenji 2 ends on April 9th 2019, a week or less away from Zak's arrest! therefore, it ''is'' possible!

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Just an idea- when Phoenix or Edgeworth exposes a hole in her theory, she'll draw back as if expecting them to hit her.

* It's a nice theory, but '''everyone''' does that, while Edgeworth has the same possible reason, no one else does.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}'''''' The great majority of witnesses and prosecutors simply act surprised or tense. No one actually does anything similar to Franziska's bracing and instinctively dodging in self-defense. Also, consider her behavior of whipping people into submission when irritated with them! It is a classic sign of childhood bullying or physical abuse. Therefore, we have strong evidence to suggest that ''Franziska von Karma was abused by her father!''

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}'''''' The great majority of witnesses and prosecutors simply act surprised or tense. No one actually does anything similar to Franziska's bracing and instinctively dodging in self-defense. Also, consider her behavior of whipping people into submission when irritated with them! It is a classic sign of childhood bullying or physical abuse. Therefore, we have strong evidence to suggest that ''Franziska von Karma was abused by her father!''

== Edgeworth dies at the end of his Investigations series ==

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== Doug Swallow didn't really die ==

Instead he was merely shocked unconscious. He decided that his current life had sucked so he pretended that he really was dead. He bribed some doctors into making a fake autopsy report. His decision for his new life, was to become a movie star by the name of Matt Engarde. The two look very similar to each other and even wear similar clothes. The reason Phoenix doesn't recognize him is the same reason he doesn't recognize Marvin Grossberg.

* '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' While he could have lied about his name, age and hair color, and could have become an absurdly rich TV star within 6 years, there's one thing he would have a very hard time changing: {{color|red| }}. Data says that Matt Engarde is five centimeters taller than Doug Swallow. That's nearly two inches.

* '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' While he could have lied about his name, age and hair color, and could have become an absurdly rich TV star within 6 years, there's one thing he would have a very hard time changing: {{color|red| his height!}}. Data says that Matt Engarde is five centimeters taller than Doug Swallow. That's nearly two inches.

** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' As Doug Swallow, he logically would have spent lot's of time {{color|red| }} However, as actor Matt Engarde ::close up, speed lines:: {{color|red| }} Thus explaining the height difference.

** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' As Doug Swallow, he logically would have spent lot's of time {{color|red| hunched over while working in a lab.}} However, as actor Matt Engarde ::close up, speed lines:: {{color|red| he would stand up tall to become more presantable!}} Thus explaining the height difference.

*** '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' And what of Engarde's supposedly long-lived (since childhood) rivalry with Juan Corrida? Or do you propose that Swallow and Corrida somehow met outside of the acting biz or made up a good rivalry story for publicity? (Though if the rivalry were invented, it obviously got very real very fast)? I am quite intrigued.

*** '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' And what of Engarde's supposedly long-lived (since childhood) rivalry with Juan Corrida? Or do you propose that Swallow and Corrida somehow met outside of the acting biz or made up a good rivalry story for publicity? (Though if the rivalry were invented, it obviously got very real very fast)? I am quite intrigued.

== Talented Spirit Medium automatically gain [[Ghost Trick (Video Game)|Ghost Tricks]] upon dying. ==

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{{quote| '''Mia:''' So, if she's so trustworthy...then I'm sure there couldn't possibly be any poison in here, right?<br />

'''Payne:''' Err... Well... Ummm... You see... Umm... Y-Yes...<br />

'''Mia:''' '''''{{color|red|O}}''''' ...And here comes the backpedal! Come on now, "Rookie Killer"! Show this rookie how it's done! How much trust do you really have for this woman? Are you willing to bet your life!?<br />

'''Mia:''' '''''{{color|red|OBJECTION!}}''''' ...And here comes the backpedal! Come on now, "Rookie Killer"! Show this rookie how it's done! How much trust do you really have for this woman? Are you willing to bet your life!?<br />

'''Payne:''' Gggg... Nnngh... Unnngggggh... }}

At this point, the background fades to white. This Troper imagined him timidly picking up a pill and licking it. Next thing we see, Payne's hair comes flying out. ''Physical proof'' that Dahlia Hawthorne was untrustworthy! Small wonder Payne was so shocked by the experience.