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Lines starting with an asterisk "*" make new bullet points; lines starting with a hash "#" make numbered lists. <small>''More info: [[Help:Lists]]''</small>
''Italics'' and '''boldface''' are handled the same way as TV Tropes -- two single quotes (<code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code>) to turn italics on and off, and three single quotes (<code><nowiki>'''</nowiki></code>) to turn boldface on and off.
Quotes use the quote template, like this: <code><nowiki>{{quote|quote text|author or character|work name}}</nowiki></code> -- but anything after the quote text is optional. So you can put in the full version like <code><nowiki>{{quote|Now is the winter of our discontent.|Shakespeare|Richard III}}</nowiki></code>,<ref>You can add links to the Quote markup. For example, <code><nowiki>{{quote|Now is the winter of our discontent.|[[Shakespeare]]|[[Richard III]]}}</nowiki></code></ref> or go with something really short like <code><nowiki>{{quote| Here's Johnny!}}</nowiki></code>. <small>''More info: [[Help:Templates]]''</small>▼
▲Quotes use the quote template, like this: <code><nowiki>{{quote|quote text|author or character|work name}}</nowiki></code> -- but anything after the quote text is optional. So you can put in the full version like <code><nowiki>{{quote|Now is the winter of our discontent.|Shakespeare|Richard III}}</nowiki></code>,<ref>You can add links to the Quote markup. For example, <code><nowiki>{{quote|Now is the winter of our discontent.|[[Shakespeare]]|''[[Richard III]]''}}</nowiki></code></ref> or go with something really short like <code><nowiki>{{quote| Here's Johnny!}}</nowiki></code>. <small>''More info: [[Help:Templates]]''</small>
And finally, if you need to mark an spoiler, put it in a spoiler template, like: <code><nowiki>At the end of [[Citizen Kane]], we find out that {{spoiler| Rosebud is the name of his sled}}.</nowiki></code><ref>This trope is called [[It Was His Sled]], since everyone has known the spoiler ending for like 50 years already.</ref>▼
▲And finally, if you need to mark an spoiler, put it in a spoiler template, like: <code><nowiki>At the end of ''[[Citizen Kane]]'', we find out that {{spoiler| Rosebud is the name of his sled}}.</nowiki></code><ref>This trope is called [[It Was His Sled]], since everyone has known the spoiler ending for like 50 years already.</ref>
Those few things will deal with about 80% of the markup on the wiki -- check out [[Help:Editing]] for more when you need to know it. [[Help:Formatting]] provides the best overview.
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<big>'''''TL;DR: Don't.'''''</big>
==== Copying text from TV Tropes: ====
'''''You can only legally do this if it's your own edits, or the edits of people who have specifically granted you permission to post it here as CC-BY-SA 3.0.''''' TV Tropes uses the incompatible CC-BY-NC-SA license for edits after June 2012, so we can't use those. See [[All The Tropes:Copyrights]] for more details.
What is legal, and kosher here, is copying Wikipedia to get an article started. It's certainly not going to be a good article from our point of view, since we'll need to make it [[More Dakka|much much tropier]]. But it's a lot better than staring at a white screen with no words; starting to write is always the hard part. If you do copy from any source, be sure to note it in the edit summary field (or page text).
==== Copying how TV Tropes does things: ====
Being consistent with TV Tropes is ''never'' a consideration for what All The Tropes chooses to do. [[If I Wanted X, I Would Y|If we wanted to do things the TV Tropes way, we would have never forked from them in the first place.]]
All The Tropes has its own style and its own way of presenting information. We prefer to use page categories, not list pages. We require license information on images (and have a very-long-term project going to put license information on the images that we inherited from TV Tropes at the time of the fork). We allow original works in User sandbox pages, but not in the main article space. And, possibly most importantly, we encourage the creation of [[Analysis]] subpages and [[Mechanics of Writing]] pages, so that people can actually use all of this data to create new stories.
=== Creating New Pages ===
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* Titles with any characters except "#" (and, in a few cases near the beginning of the name, ":") -- and custom titles that don't work can sometimes still be achieved with <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> markup.
* Links can have formatting embedded in the link text -- no coding three or more links just to have an emphasized word in the middle of a pothole.
* Categories allow you to add a page to an index while you're editing that page -- no need to create a page then make a second edit to add it to the index.
* Full access to page history, which in turn gives you...
** Easy reverts of vandalism
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* ... and plenty of bot software to help clean up the links afterwards.
Even more features are available in [[Special:Preferences|your user preferences]], like spoilers that are revealed when you move your mouse over them, or automatically refreshing [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]]. And if there's any feature you want that we don't have, there's a good chance that we can find it in the huge MediaWiki community, or code it up ourselves. Feel free to ask on the forums. The worst that can happen is we say "sorry, we can't figure out how to do that", and the best that can happen is that you get the feature that you want.
And of course, we have lots of [[Help:Editing|Help with Editing]] pages.
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But what it does mean is that yes, we have all of the [[Porn Tropes]] and [[Lolicon]] works, because we have [[Title Drop|''All'' The Tropes]]. We believe in [[All The Tropes:Academic Freedom|Academic Freedom]]: the idea that if you engage in honest [[All The Tropes:Literary Criticism|Literary Criticism]], you shouldn't have to worry that the subject you're talking about is [[Banned in Australia|forbidden]]. You should have confidence that if you want to talk about tropes, works or creators, your work is valued and on-topic.
=== Moderation ===
Alas, as a result of the Great Miraheze Spam Flood that affected multiple wikis in December 2020, we have instituted moderation of posts. Your edits and image uploads will ''not'' appear immediately, the way that they would on TV Tropes. This isn't censorship - we only reject spam and edits that are blatantly in violation of the [[All The Tropes:Terms of Service|Terms of Service]]. It will ''not'' be used to prevent edits that a mod disagrees with. (If it ''is'' used that way, call us out on it! [[All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff|We're not supposed to do that]], and [[All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here|you won't get banned simply for disagreeing with the mods]].)
A small number of people are exempt from this anti-spam measure. This is a privilege given to them for consistently good edits and being a Troper in good standing, not a right - it has to be earned, and it can be removed if the Troper decides to go rogue or starts ignoring the [[ATT:Style Guide|Style Guide]] or other [[:Category:Wiki Policy|wiki policies and guidelines]]. It takes a while to even be considered for this privilege, but, hey, it's something to aim for.
=== A More Creative Focus ===
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What this doesn't mean is that [[troper]]s are allowed to ramble on in pages. Content should be either entertaining or educational<ref>Ideally, content should be both entertaining and educational, but we know this isn't an ideal world.</ref> -- if it's neither, it's good to cut.
This does, however, mean that some of the tropes have different names here. Another one of our goals is to help people actually use tropes in their own stories - we have a section all about [[:Category:Mechanics of Writing|the mechanics of writing]] to help writers both new and experienced. Part of our working toward that goal is a ... not an intolerance of, but a preference to avoid [[Esoteric Trope Names]]. If you use an esoteric name, sometimes you'll still get where you expect to end up (for example, "Cowboy Bebop at his Computer" redirects to [[Media Research Failure]]), but sometimes you won't (for example, "Red Baron" goes to the person, not to [[Sobriquet]]). What this means to you is that sometimes you'll need to double-check that a link to an in-joke trope name actually goes where you expect it to go.
=== Happiness is no longer mandatory ===
Dissent is okay. Telling [[All The Tropes:Contact us|the ATT administrators]] that they're [[Idiot Ball]]-carrying [[Baka]]s on the wiki is okay. Sometimes the administrators will even admit in public that they were wrong. (Going out of your way to insult the administrators - or anybody else - instead of making a point about the topic being discussed is just rude, though.) We want a community where everyone is allowed to express an opinion. If the admins messed up, we want to know about it! <small>More Info: [[All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff]]</small>
=== No Permabans At the Whim of a Cranky Admin ===
We have [[All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here|guidelines for why bans are applied and for how long]], and we hold ourselves to them. (Or rather, we hold each other to them.) You will never find your account permanently shut down because you posted something that an admin took offense to. That doesn't mean there are no permanent bans -- but you will never get one for just one post or edit<ref>Unless it's spam or vandalism, of course.</ref>, and admins are ''forbidden'' from lashing out at users for petty reasons. You have to ''work'' at getting a permanent ban here, and go out of your way to justify it to the staff. (Sadly, there have been a few people who made the effort.)
Also, if you think an admin banned you unfairly, call us out on it! ''You specifically have the right to [[All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff|tell us when we're not following our own rules]].'' Contact [[All The Tropes:Contact us|another admin]] and tell us why we made a mistake. We'll listen, and if you can convince us that the admin who banned you was being cranky, the ban will be shortened or removed. (However, if you did something that puts the entire wiki at risk, such as posting a pornographic image, you probably won't get the ban shortened.)
And if for some reason you choose to leave the wiki over a disagreement with the staff, we will ''not'' lock your account or any other crap like that. We're All The Tropes, we don't do that kind of stuff here.
=== No Advertising ===
[[TV Tropes/The Situation|The Situation]], [[TV Tropes/The Second Google Incident|The Second Google Incident]]...
There are a variety of reasons for leaving the TV Tropes Mothership. [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks]], a desire to see occasional [[Natter]] when it was actually interesting, [[Revenge]], curiosity at us crazy folks who decided to [[Start My Own|Start Our Own]] wiki. Either way, there's [[You Are Not Alone|a place for you here]]. Our founding administrators' own reasons for leaving are detailed on [[All The Tropes:Why Fork TV Tropes|Why Fork TV Tropes]], but you don't have to share our values. All you need is a desire to create and improve pages about creative works and the tropes used therein. (At least one administrator never had an account on TV Tropes.)
=== Some Tropes have different names ===
There are a few tropes on TV Tropes (and here) that have ... let's call them [[Esoteric Trope Names]]. In-joke names are fun, but they aren't really useful on a wiki that's (trying to be) a resource for writers and writing. So we've given some of the old tropes new names, and tropes that were created after mid-2012 aren't guaranteed to have the same names as the equivalent tropes on [[The Other Tropes Wiki]].
Basically, unless the trope name is [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin]], it's best to double-check that where you think you're linking to is where you're really linking to. ("This! Is! Sparta!" Well, no, it isn't - we call that trope [[Punctuated! For! Emphasis!]])
For some reason, "Red Baron" is a frequent victim of this. Our page [[Red Baron]] is about the man called the Red Baron. What TV Tropes calls "Red Baron", we call [[Sobriquet]], which is the real-world name for those nicknames.
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