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What constitutes fair use

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Goo Monster (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. That's a carryover from TVTropes, and I'm not completely sure it applies here. I'll bring this up on the moderators' forum (offsite) - I could be wrong about our rules, after all.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

I would also be interested in bringing back the image 'exorcism reversal' as a trope image if that is alright. ( Exorcism reversal is http://www.twogag.com/archives/1241 except the middle panel is missing and making the remaining images be top to bottom instead of left to right). I still have the edited version on my computer.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It's restored... and I added the licensing information to the page for you.

If it's still an unused file the next time I look at files with names starting with E, it'll be deleted as an unused file - so you have a day or two in order to use it somewhere.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Let's wait until I hear back from the other mods, please.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

I was thinking the "all rights reserved" in the image I linked too bit might be relevant and was hoping you could bring it up at the same time.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I've heard back from other mods. To quote Labster:

TVT was assuming "we didn't know it was copyrighted" was an excuse (it isn't).

We're dropping that clause from our guidelines and replacing it with something that actually conforms to copyright law.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

File:Wingman waiter.png has the all 3 of the panels as the comic page it came from. Is that a breach of "use limited excerpts"?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Good question... I believe that a single strip from an ongoing web comic is an excerpt from the work rather than an entire work, so I'd make a layman's guess and say it's okay. @Looney Toons, you know copyright law at least as well as I do - what do you think?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm no expert, honestly, just well-enough informed to know my own rights as a creator. But I think your argument is valid. The individual strip is certainly copyrighted, but I think "quoting" it in its entirety is safe.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

How does one go about making a list that can be hidden or fully collapsed separately from a work/creator tropelist?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I believe the only way we have to do that here is to make a footer template. Take a look at Template:Academy Award Best Actor for an example.

Once the template is made, add it to the page just like any other template. It doesn't have to be a footer.

EDIT: There might be another way. Pinging the code experts for input: @Labster @GethN7

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Right, I remember now, I've done navboxes for when I admin'd a wiki previously.

But yeah, I think there's definitely another way.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Navboxs are the best option. There are some extensions on MediaWiki for collapsing other elements of the page (we use one @Labster created for hiding page sections on demand, but I'd use navboxes and similar items for collapsible lists.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Alrighty, navboxes it is then. Thank you all.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Alright, I'll try it. Thank you.

Want to restore Gethbot?

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GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Gethbot is fully functional and can assist with bot jobs if you want some help.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Don't know whether we have anything that needs a bot run - I've cleaned up the lists that I know about using Special:MassEditRegex. It might be worth having a bot available, though. Let me sleep on it...

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Sure, take all the time you need.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

And my decision is... to toss this into the other bureaucrats' laps, because I can't come to a decision on it. @Labster @Looney Toons

Protip on Template:Related

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GethN7 (talkcontribs)

It's a bit buggy and honestly it's implementation here is terrible since we don't have CirrusSearch, so I recommend removing it from all pages that use it. Thankfully, it should only be transcluded to a few dozen pages at best.


Since I'm just a regular guy here now, I can't bot edit the examples, and given how it's implemented, you'll likely want to edit the pages manually to remove all uses of it, typically at the ends of pages.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

hello! from the Tatis Net.

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Summary by Robkelk

We did not have a Discord when this question was asked. We still don't have an official Discord, but there's an unofficial one linked from the Home Page.

Anti Sinistram AZ (talkcontribs)

does this site have a discord?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No, there's no Discord server officially associated with the wiki.

Anti Sinistram AZ (talkcontribs)

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Summary by Robkelk

Troper was right, mod was wrong. Fixed.

Carlb (talkcontribs)

A question about edit: the sequence of the Great Lakes doesn't look correct. Duluth (Superior) should be at the top and Kingston (Ontario) should be at the bottom. Carlb (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

You're right! Thanks for catching that.

Summary by Robkelk

File has been deleted, overwritten, deleted again, and protected.

Dmehus (talkcontribs)

It seems to be an intermediary caching issue between me and Miraheze's servers, as RhinosF1 and paladox have checked everything with their servers, or it could, potentially, be a MediaWiki-related software issue as I have encountered this on English Wikipedia, but I'm wondering if you might want to try something. Instead of overwriting the image with the a black thumbnail (which I, and potentially other Canadians, can't see as we still see the overwritten image), would you be able to try deleting the page(s) and creation protecting the titles limited only to administrators on this wiki? Or is there a specific reason why you prefer to simply overwrite the image? Not sure of your local procedures, but this, I suspect, may be a workaround.

Cheers,
Doug

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

@Dmehus, the file is now deleted and protected so that only admins can upload a file with that name. If you can still see it, then it may be your ISP that's caching the file - I'm in Ottawa so it isn't an issue with anything at the international border.

Dmehus (talkcontribs)

@Robkelk Thanks...I suspect it was either an intermediary caching issue or a caching issue within MediaWiki somewhere (have had a similar issue on English Wikipedia). This was a good workaround as now I indeed see the file is deleted and protected and cannot view any histories, earlier revisions, and the like.

Ah, didn't know you were in Canada as well. My ISP is Telus and I'm in Kelowna.

Burying the hatchet

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Summary last edited by Robkelk 12:34, 20 February 2020 9 months ago

Nobody but robkelk gets to close topics on this talk page.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

I apologize for how I've talked to you and for how I handled things in the past. Whether you forgive me or not, I will try to keep things civil with you going forward and should I get my mod status back, I will keep myself working within the limits Geth asked of me and I agreed to.

But I ask of you please...please think things through regarding the Example Sectionectomy proposal? This trope as defined by the criteria on this Wiki means a lot to me and many others who frequently visit this Wiki because of the subpages and examples making it a worthy alternative to the TV Tropes version. If we were to nuke them all, not only would we have finally crossed a line into being no better than TV Tropes, but we'd have done so due to the actions of a single persistent ban evader who has for years been trying to bend this trope to suit her views on here, on Wikia, on TV Tropes, and any other Wiki to feature this trope. Purging the trope following her actions will send a dangerous message of validation - that if she couldn't have her way with the trope, than no one could contribute to the trope here ever again.

I'm against the proposal. As is Geth. And Lulzkiller is clearly unsure about it since there were other means of helping the trope's situation that they proposed. I implore you to please consider the years of effort and care that would be going to waste if your proposal is met. While the ATT Wikia version is fine too, the trope as it is on this site is the version of it I preferred working with and the one I enjoyed looking at more. The last thing I would ever want to see is for it to all go because of that stupid ban evader. If that happens, she wins. And that's not something that neither Geth or I are keen on seeing happen.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It's been four months... and the second thing you did with relation to me was try to close this discussion with a note saying that neither of us has forgiven the other. Maybe you never forgave me for enforcing Rule 1 of the Terms of Service and Rule 4 of the Tropers' Code, but as far as I'm concerned, there was nothing to forgive - only rules to be followed.

(The first thing you did with relation to me was to ask to be my foe. Don't ask a mod to be your foe. I've refused that request for your sake.)

Whether you "forgive" me or not is, honestly, none of my concern. You do what you want, and as long as you don't break the rules (including Rule 1 of the Terms of Service) I'll continue ignoring you.

As for the Example Sectionectomy, it's benefited the wiki immensely. The Moderation Team has had time to work on other problems instead of spending so much effort on one time sink. I'm surprised that you want the headaches of dealing with it.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Perhaps "forgive" isn't the correct word. It meant "we cannot and likely never will find each other and our positions agreeable." That's why I just couldn't find it in my heart to ask to be your friend like I could for literally every other user here. I didn't feel like being your enemy either, but "foe" was the only available option close enough to "not friend" that I had.

Good for the Moderation Team; the only price the Wiki had to pay in the process was kowtowing to a serial ban evader and purging months and years of hard work and effort from it's history. That's why I'd take the headache of dealing with that time sink even if I have to be the only person to have to do it (like I was for a while here on ATT, and things were better off for it I might add.)

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Doc, consider this the official ATT position. The excising of CM examples here is FINAL.


Second, really, you just had to use the "Foe" tag when you came back? It's a silly feature that means NOTHING anyway, it just proves you haven't moved on from four months ago. We'd disable it if it wasn't embedded in the rest of a feature we use.


Also, you are free to deal with that mess, you want to shoulder that burden. We don't, you are wasting your time expecting the hands of time to turn back.


You step on any more toes again, and this time I will have to make your block on BOTH ATT's permanent. Not out of malice to you, so don't assume I hate you, but because I must ensure we don't have more drama like four months ago.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

I already knew that. The days where ATT had anyone willing to actually manage examples on a highly subjective trope are far behind it; I wasn't doubting that for a second. It was nice while it lasted, I was proud of the work I did and have no regrets about it, but it's just not the world we live in anymore, regardless of whether or not I think there's good reason for that. This is why people will have to look to TV Tropes and The True Tropes for that rather than All the Tropes or Villains Wiki from now on.

Again, it's not that I'm looking to make an outright enemy out of anyone or get into a fight over four months ago, it's that I honestly think that if I'm welcome back to this Wiki, then Robkelk and I would both benefit if we were to deal with each other as little as humanly possible. That way, any old wounds about what happened months ago is avoided altogether.

I don't expect the hands of time to turn back. I just hope that through TTT, this simple point can be proven; it was never as hard and time consuming as you all made it out to be when you decided you didn't want to deal with an example-filled version of that trope anymore.

I understand. I think Robkelk here is the only one who'll never see eye to eye with me, and that's why I'd rather draw a line in the sand where he's concerned so that I don't step on his toes and that doesn't escalate into anything worse.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

'it's that I honestly think that if I'm welcome back to this Wiki, then Robkelk and I would both benefit if we were to deal with each other as little as humanly possible.'

Agreed. Please take this discussion to some place other than my Talk page.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

You can close this topic and mark it as resolved at any time, y'know.

Carlb (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. And there's no need to apologize; we're all human.

I need your help and I want to get better!

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Kuma (talkcontribs)

This has been difficult for me with all of this grammar being wrong in some way. I have tried my best over and over again to get better. I admit I make mistakes but it getting ridiculous to me. I will come straight that I have a form of ASD and that I beseech your help with grammar. I have tried my best to review how I got something wrong. I even have bought a year of Grammarly and used it multiple times on the site yet that isn't good enough. I don't know if it's me, the site, Grammar, different perspective or a combination of things. I want to get better at this and that I managed to make a summary that lacks grammar problems on Epithet Erased while on Marked for Failure, the summary was completely redone. If I may ask you from three examples that you have edited and said that there is a problem with the grammar. Here are the examples:

A man who has devoted most of his life to strengthening his magic and thus dubbed 'The Sage' by others.

Magic Power is something people are born with along with fauna called Magic Beast and Demon Beasts. ( I also noticed how Magic Beast isn't plural.

Magic Power is something people are born with along with fauna called Magic Beast and Demon Beasts.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hi! I spotted two different problems with your phrases.

"A man who has devoted most of his life to strengthening his magic and thus dubbed 'The Sage' by others."

That's a good start for a sentence, but it's only a start - it's a sentence fragment. You've identified who you're talking about but you haven't said what he did.

"Magic Power is something people are born with along with fauna called Magic Beast and Demon Beasts."

That's an ambiguous sentence. You can get away with using it, but somebody might misinterpret it to say that people are born with magic power, magic beasts, and demon beasts.

I hope this helps.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate this and that I can get better with the sight.