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Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Robkelk/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

So, what else do ya want me to do with this page? All I did was fix and cleaned up the page a bit. I figured that I can fix stuff a bit, like add them to the catagories, but the rest confuses me. I didn't add more examples, all I did was update the ones we have right now, I dunno who would do that.

Thanks for fixing the parts that I can't do, Robkelk. :D

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

We're trying to get rid of the page altogether, turning it into a category that the software can keep updated instead of spending people's time on it.

If you could add the category "Twelve-Episode Anime" to some of the pages that are still listed on this page, that would help a lot.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

Okay. I didn't know ya guys were trying to get rid of it altogether. Did I do something wrong? Of course, I can add the examples that are currently on the page to the categories.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

No, you didn't do anything wrong. No worries.

Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

So, what's this "Request to Comment"?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The one about the CVT? That's something that our wiki host is doing - nothing to worry about unless you're interested in the technical side of wikis. (If you are interested in the technical side, then please go and take a look at it.)

Reply to "Twelve-Episode Anime"
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I just took care of it.

Reply to "Check the forum log"
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

"You removed the "context" tag from an example without providing context." "You replaced a date with the word "recent", thus requiring either rollback or the addition of the "when" tag to have somebody come in and add the date back in." "You replaced "Category:Japanese Language" (which exists) with "Category:Useful Notes/Japanese Language" (which does not exist)."

I'm not inclined to disagree that most of my edits were of a stylistic bent, but I distinctly remember NOT touching *any* of those sections when making the actual edits. Odds are I wasn't paying attention while poking around the history section and accidentally used an earlier revision as the base. I apologize for the confusion, especially if what I described is the case.

On the note of "editing troubles", the Visual Editor notification keeps showing up repeatedly anytime I edit a page, even though I've long since made my first edits on this wiki. Any idea what the hangup might be there?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I've tried editing older versions of pages myself; I can see how easy it is to do that. Thanks for replying.

As for the editing trouble, you aren't the only one getting the visual editor popup all the time - @Looney Toons has the same problem. He knows better than I do what the status is there.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No, I don't. I still have no clue. I guess I need to file another ticket on Phabricator now that I know it's not just me.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Update: I did file a ticket, the Miraheze staff offered a solution, I tried it and it didn't work... and then an hour later the popup disappeared for me. Are you still affected by it, @Umbire the Phantom?

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Nope, it's no longer showing up, @Looney Toons, thank you for that.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You're welcome.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

And thank you for taking the lead to get this fixed, LT.

Reply to "Re: Pronoun Trouble"
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Got a message notification while editing, went to my page and saw nothing. Left me suitably puzzled, so I went into the history only to find (and subsequently undo) this here. I have no idea if this was some roundabout form of passive-aggressive snipe at me, or...

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Update on that: the user who made the edit seems to be continuing the conversation I was having with the currently-blocked anonymous editor prior and seems to be taking what's more or less the same stance, as shown here. The only reason I point that out is because they may or may not be the same person, which might constitute block evasion if I recall correctly (hopefully I'm wrong on that).

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. If this is block evasion, then we now know who the poster is; if it isn't, then there is more than one person who has that opinion.

Either way, IMHO an opinion about a creator belongs on the page about that creator, not on a page about one of his works. I've added a note to the page reminding everyone that it's a page for the comic, not for the writer.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Sure, it's mostly just a note to double check if that's the case, and if it isn't they hey ho. Either way I'll keep note of that for future reference.

Reply to "Weird edit"
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Greetings, I have a question regarding setting up recap pages for a long-running series, exactly what would be the proper means of formatting it? I have an idea of what it would look like already, but lack the boilerplate knowledge and general familiarity with this particular wiki likely required to get the desired end result.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The easiest way to format a new Recap page is to let the wiki do it for you. If the boilerplace for a Recap page isn't pre-loaded for you when you begin to edit the page, select "Recap subsection" from the drop-down menu of boilerplates at the top of the Create Page screen, then select the Load button. (Note that this will erase anything that is in the edit box.) The boilerplate that loads has instructions embedded in it.

EDIT: Please also note that a one-line summary is not a recap. Somebody who has never seen or read the series should be able to use the Recap to figure out at least the broad strokes of what happens in the episode.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I'm familiar enough with TVT to have an understanding of the general workings of how to create a specific kind of page, and I've perused the Style Manual and the like on here enough to know the important differences. I just wasn't sure if there was a recap boilerplate, let alone one that supported subsections for each episode and such.

Regardless, thank you for you answer. I was thinking of tackling the Recap section for a web series or two that I watch, and since I figured it'd be an arduous task I wanted to be fully aware of any way I could meaningfully save time on that.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Fair enough. Once you've seen the boilerplate, you could copy it to a text editor and work on pages offline, then paste your results into new pages. That would save a few seconds per page, in that you wouldn't need to load the boilerplate every time.

Reply to "Question regarding recaps"

Subpage footer markup

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Summary by Robkelk

The new-subpage templates have also received the new subpage footer markup, as requested.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Say, Rob, the edits you've been making to subpages for a while, where you've been adding

:<small>Back to ''[[{{ROOTPAGENAME}}]]''</small>
{{reflist}}
[[Category:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]

Have you made this change to all the templates as well yet?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Not yet, but I should. Unless somebody else gets to them first. :)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Okay, they're done.

I also added the NOTOC tag to the WMG pages by default, the "ATT Templates" category to all of the templates, and a custom "go back" message to the Haiku templates.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Cool. Beat me to it. <grin>

Something for the future -- I've noticed that the wrong template comes up for one or two of the "create new page" dropdown menu entries. I can't remember which ones right now, but it's stuff like getting the work version of a subpage when you're doing one for a trope. We need to track those down and fix them.

Please inform GethN7 that I just sent a message to him.

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Summary by Robkelk

GethN7 has acknowledged receiving the message.

Ecclytennysmithylove (talkcontribs)

Because I'm in a very sad mood and I'm waiting for his reply.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

ETSL, we seem to be having some kind of problem with the alert and notice features of the wiki; we'll try to reach him off the wiki to let him know.

Ecclytennysmithylove (talkcontribs)

By the way, I forgot to mention that I accidentally sent him the public message when it was supposed to be a private message. So I sent the same message again to him this time in private. I don't mind if he replies to one of the two same messages.

Summary by Robkelk

This was a request for an exemption to the license that all users - from first-time posters to seasoned bureaucrats - offer their contributions under. Not possible, the way MediaWiki is coded.

RRabbit43 (talkcontribs)

Can you provide me with auto-protection?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Why would you ask that, might I ask?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It doesn't matter.

First, All The Tropes does not have an "auto-protection" capability.

Second, everyone who contributes to this wiki, from the longest-standing bureaucrat/administrators to the newest members, agrees that their contributions can be "edited mercilessly and redistributed at will" - we remind people of that in the text under every page edit box.

So... no, I can't provide anyone (including myself) with auto-protection.

Summary by Robkelk

This was an offer to help with anti-vandalism work by somebody who the wiki host service banned as a disruptive influence. No need to keep open any longer.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

Hi there! I'm 2hadow. I'm interested in anti-vandalism work.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
2hadow (talkcontribs)

Somebody has been vandalizng my user page!

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

That's block-worthy. We only have two rules here, and one of them is "play nice".

The IP address has been blocked for a week.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

What can I do to help?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Right now, you can keep your eyes open for things like what just happened to your talk User page, and let us know if anything similar happens

If any of the other admins know of anything else you can do, I'm sure they'll post here.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

Thanks, but it was my user page that was vandalized, not my talk page. a

2hadow (talkcontribs)

I can help out with fixing grammar, adding refs, expand articles, welcome users, revert any spam, patrol the wiki.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Right - I've fixed that.

Looney Toons has been devoting what might be too much time to fixing the grammar of a particular contributor; I'm sure he'd appreciate the help. I expect Looney Toons will be online tomorrow and can provide details then.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

Okay. Tell him to post me a message on my talk page for me to find out on what he needs help with.

Summary by Robkelk

This was a threat made by a user who was banned from all Miraheze wikis before the threat could be reported to them. No need to keep open any longer.

Hello, Mr. Kelk. Welcome to All The Tropes. You are allowed to make ONE exception: If you don’t block me or do anything bad to me, I will give you a prize. If you don’t you are grounded for 7 years. And let’s double it: 14. And let’s double it: 28. I can’t double it anymore, so I guess that’s almost your whole life. Thanks!

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm calling this a threat. Given other comments made by this user, his apparently carefree willingness to modify both policy documents and functional templates, and his pointless edits that "correct" native idioms used by English speakers -- as well as the air of entitled arrogance he seems to emit -- I am not inclined to offer him anything in the way of benefit of the doubt. I recommend that the next time one of his edits is out of line, he gets a long ban.

-- Looney Toons, Admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak