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-- New user message (talk) 11:18, 26 June 2014 (BST)


Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Robkelk/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

RRabbit43 (talkcontribs)

Can you provide me with auto-protection?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Why would you ask that, might I ask?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It doesn't matter.

First, All The Tropes does not have an "auto-protection" capability.

Second, everyone who contributes to this wiki, from the longest-standing bureaucrat/administrators to the newest members, agrees that their contributions can be "edited mercilessly and redistributed at will" - we remind people of that in the text under every page edit box.

So... no, I can't provide anyone (including myself) with auto-protection.

Reply to "Request"
Summary by Robkelk

Somebody wanted to change a User page that didn't belong to him. Denied.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)

At the top of the page, can you remove the |en|en-5|fr-0, put a slash at the back of the word "babel", and do the same to UserWiki:Robkelk, but this time add the word "User:Robkelk" at the back of the slash? Thanks/Merci.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

All material on my User page is there for a reason.

Why are you editing my User page without my permission, and without consulting me first? You have not gone through even the lax change management process we have here on ATT (i.e., asking first), so I have no idea what you are trying to do here.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
I want you to replace {{babel|en|en-5|fr-0}} with {{/babel}}. Thanks/Merci!
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

No. There is no template named "/babel" on All The Tropes, so doing what you request would break my User page.

I ask you a second time (I will not ask a third time): Why are you editing my User page without my permission, and without consulting me first? This edit that you want made appears to me to be page vandalism.

EDIT: And I see that you have created a page in my User space without my permission. I am deleting that page immediately.

RE_EDIT: And it has been brought to my attention that you edited UserWiki:Robkelk without my permission or knowledge, as well. Official Moderator Warning: STOP EDITING USER PAGES THAT DO NOT BELONG TO YOU.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
OK, I will stop editing pages that don't belong to me.
OK, je vais arrêter de modifier les pages qui ne m'appartiennent pas.
De acuerdo, dejaré de editar páginas que no me pertenecen.
OK, deixarei de editar páginas que não pertencem a mim.
Iii (talkcontribs)

Can you email the author about the article of his fanfiction. If you tell the author, he could link the ATT article to his page, giving his fans an easy way to collect tropes. I sadly can't email him myself, because my gmail won't let me mail people outside of my school district. His email is here: jones554@hotmail.com

Iii (talkcontribs)

I ment "Monster Girl Saga"

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Sorry, but I don't have time to email every fanfic writer in the world, and it wouldn't be fair for an admin to email only some fanfic writers. This is something that would be best done by people like you - there are plenty of free email services that you can use that aren't gmail.

Reply to "Monster Girl Quest"
DocColress (talkcontribs)

It was done because it was a double of a topic that was already on the page and the comment on it was hidden so I or no one else could even read what it was originally about anyway. It was not done out of malice towards a comment or a disregard for the rules, so please reconsider going overly harsh on me for it.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

If you want me to be start being "overly harsh", just say so. But say it in the main thread, please.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

No, I want you to not be overly harsh.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I am not being overly harsh. I am doing what I can to protect the wiki as a whole.

Do you honestly not understand why I am upset with the actions you have been taking? Do you honestly not understand how those actions affect the entire wiki?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Only because you're suddenly seeing me as a danger to the wiki when I just want the same thing as you do and we can easily compromise on this issue. I'm keeping my word to not delete any comments to Talk pages past that one double entry on the Legend Of Zelda CM Page Talk Page. Just check the Ace Attorney CM Page Talk Page. (I'm not too familiar with the series, so I'm leaving it for someone else to reply to if they wish.)

Not entirely since it's mainly been about one trope rather than the entire wiki.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I see that you don't understand.

Please read All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff, especially Rule #1 and Rule #2. If you do want the same thing that I do, then you want to follow both the spirit and the letter of those rules and all of the other rules on that page.

We agreed to follow those rules when we became admins. If one admin can't be trusted to keep his word, then the other admins fall under suspicion as well. When you break the rules, you put Geth's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put Looney Toons's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put Labster's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put QuestionableSanity's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put LulzKiller's reputation at risk. And possibly of the least importance, when you break the rules, you put my reputation at risk.

And if the admins can't be trusted, what does that say about the wiki? When you break the rules, you put the reputation of the entire wiki at risk. Thus, this is about the entire wiki.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

I have a reputation? XD

Seriously though Doc, I recommend that you chill down and then understand that we're doing this because we don't want to be draconian.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

All anyone needed to do was cover those rules to me the first time I ever broke them. My deleting of comments went on for a while, so if it took this long for anyone to speak up, we quite frankly all deserve two weak suspensions for having done our jobs poorly.

I do understand why you're doing this, but I don't agree with boosting my sentence from one week (which I'd thought was agreed upon) to two weeks because you all completely misinterpreted and are misrepresenting my reasons for deleting a double of a topic in one Talk page. The hidden comment that was there was not the reason I removed it - it wasn't about "deleting evidence" or that sort of thing. If anything, my mistake is that I gave that no thought at all, but that needn't warrant two whole weeks of having my admin rights taken from me. I care about this wiki as much as you guys do, so please just stop seeing me as your enemy? :(

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

If I thought you were an enemy, I would have pushed hard for permanent removal of your admin and posting rights. I didn't do that.

Don't forget that I was the one who suggested dropping the time from two weeks to one week in the first place, because nobody had talked with you about the rules previously. It was only after my suggestion of leniency that you made the topic deletion that looked like you were continuing to ignore the rules - and that's when I withdrew the suggestion of leniency.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Well now you know that I wasn't meaning to ignore the rules because the topic I deleted happening to have a hidden comment had nothing to do with my reasons for deleting it. So shouldn't my time frame of suspension be dropped back to one week?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I can only make suggestions. My suggestion is that you stick it out for the two weeks - it isn't forever.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Yeah, that's the whole rest of the month. April will be my time for a new start.

DocColress (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The main page can only be edited by someone who is logged in - you asked me to set the page that way months ago.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

So how does someone not logged in edit any of the pages?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If I'm understanding your question properly -- I may not be -- we restricted the Complete Monster pages so that only logged-in users could edit them, to minimize the random drive-by spewing. Anonymous users can edit any page on the wiki that isn't specifically denied them, just like logged in users. It's just that the CM pages are denied them.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Oh. Do you think we ought to take a chance at undoing that decision?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Well... you're the guardian at the gate for CM. If you want to take the risk, we'll unrestrict as few or as many pages as you want us to. Come to that, when your temporary demotion ends, you should be able to do the same at your discretion.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Hmm. Maybe we should hold off on the decision until that time comes.

Reply to "The recent deletion"
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Where do we actually say anonymous accounts can't request deletions? I mean, for deleting the content you were justified in that microban, don't get me wrong, but I see nothing wrong with someone putting the delete banner at the top of a page, even if they're anonymous.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Oops. You are correct, and I was wrong.

Reply to "Say, Rob..."

EZ Wikipedia Template Copying

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GethN7 (talkcontribs)
  1. Open up Wikipedia page in edit view
  2. Go to bottom, copy names of all templates you wish to copy (include "Template:" in the names)
  3. Paste all these in the Special:Export box on another page on Wikipedia (open new tab for this)
  4. Make sure "include templates is checked" (will add subtemplates automatically)
  5. Save the XML file it spits out somewhere.
  6. Use Special:Import here to import that XML file of templates here (may time out, so redo it a few times if the file is really large)
  7. Go to page you need to see template on, purge cache and check to see if it looks right.
  8. If so, the page will look right, recent changes will report what you imported.
  9. Celebrate!
Reply to "EZ Wikipedia Template Copying"
DocColress (talkcontribs)

When do you think you'll be making your next update to all pages?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I have no idea. If there's something you want to update, don't wait for me.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

No, I mean general updates to pages. Like the locks on the Complete Monster pages you did.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I do those as they're needed, on no set schedule.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Alright. Also, how come your user name is in blue while mine is in red?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Doc, you need to actually put content on your user page, it's blank right now.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

I'll be sure to do that soon. What sort of content is recommended?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Look at my page for an example, or anyone else's

A short bio on yourself or just the word "Hi!" will do if you want to turn the link blue.

Reply to "Please tell me"
DocColress (talkcontribs)

For the lock you put on the CM trope for non-registered users. That might help issues.

Reply to "Thank you!"

Unused redirects may have inbound links

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Damian Yerrick (talkcontribs)

You deleted the redirect Lupin the Third, which pointed to Lupin III, with the summary "Unused redirect". Does ATT yet have a guideline for when to delete redirects that have no wicks but may have inbound links? If not, I'll raise the issue in Wiki Talk.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

We don't yet have any guidelines for deleting unused redirects.

In this particular case, since the creators, the translating companies, the press sites, and the online stores all use "Lupin III", not "Lupin the Third", I thought it safe to delete the redirect.

Damian Yerrick (talkcontribs)

One thing TVT's modded PmWiki offers, unlike MediaWiki, is basic statistics on Referer values.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Three's got to be a MediaWiki extension or plug-in that does that... I should go look one of these days.

Reply to "Unused redirects may have inbound links"

Plz keep category tags like "Category;Page" on "Category:Page", as redundant as it seems, I haz reasons

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GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Short version: Serves to make doing certain bot jobs easier.

Reply to "Plz keep category tags like "Category;Page" on "Category:Page", as redundant as it seems, I haz reasons"