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Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Robkelk/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

Burying the hatchet

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Summary last edited by Robkelk 12:34, 20 February 2020 1 day ago

Nobody but robkelk gets to close topics on this talk page.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

I apologize for how I've talked to you and for how I handled things in the past. Whether you forgive me or not, I will try to keep things civil with you going forward and should I get my mod status back, I will keep myself working within the limits Geth asked of me and I agreed to.

But I ask of you please...please think things through regarding the Example Sectionectomy proposal? This trope as defined by the criteria on this Wiki means a lot to me and many others who frequently visit this Wiki because of the subpages and examples making it a worthy alternative to the TV Tropes version. If we were to nuke them all, not only would we have finally crossed a line into being no better than TV Tropes, but we'd have done so due to the actions of a single persistent ban evader who has for years been trying to bend this trope to suit her views on here, on Wikia, on TV Tropes, and any other Wiki to feature this trope. Purging the trope following her actions will send a dangerous message of validation - that if she couldn't have her way with the trope, than no one could contribute to the trope here ever again.

I'm against the proposal. As is Geth. And Lulzkiller is clearly unsure about it since there were other means of helping the trope's situation that they proposed. I implore you to please consider the years of effort and care that would be going to waste if your proposal is met. While the ATT Wikia version is fine too, the trope as it is on this site is the version of it I preferred working with and the one I enjoyed looking at more. The last thing I would ever want to see is for it to all go because of that stupid ban evader. If that happens, she wins. And that's not something that neither Geth or I are keen on seeing happen.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It's been four months... and the second thing you did with relation to me was try to close this discussion with a note saying that neither of us has forgiven the other. Maybe you never forgave me for enforcing Rule 1 of the Terms of Service and Rule 4 of the Tropers' Code, but as far as I'm concerned, there was nothing to forgive - only rules to be followed.

(The first thing you did with relation to me was to ask to be my foe. Don't ask a mod to be your foe. I've refused that request for your sake.)

Whether you "forgive" me or not is, honestly, none of my concern. You do what you want, and as long as you don't break the rules (including Rule 1 of the Terms of Service) I'll continue ignoring you.

As for the Example Sectionectomy, it's benefited the wiki immensely. The Moderation Team has had time to work on other problems instead of spending so much effort on one time sink. I'm surprised that you want the headaches of dealing with it.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Perhaps "forgive" isn't the correct word. It meant "we cannot and likely never will find each other and our positions agreeable." That's why I just couldn't find it in my heart to ask to be your friend like I could for literally every other user here. I didn't feel like being your enemy either, but "foe" was the only available option close enough to "not friend" that I had.

Good for the Moderation Team; the only price the Wiki had to pay in the process was kowtowing to a serial ban evader and purging months and years of hard work and effort from it's history. That's why I'd take the headache of dealing with that time sink even if I have to be the only person to have to do it (like I was for a while here on ATT, and things were better off for it I might add.)

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Doc, consider this the official ATT position. The excising of CM examples here is FINAL.


Second, really, you just had to use the "Foe" tag when you came back? It's a silly feature that means NOTHING anyway, it just proves you haven't moved on from four months ago. We'd disable it if it wasn't embedded in the rest of a feature we use.


Also, you are free to deal with that mess, you want to shoulder that burden. We don't, you are wasting your time expecting the hands of time to turn back.


You step on any more toes again, and this time I will have to make your block on BOTH ATT's permanent. Not out of malice to you, so don't assume I hate you, but because I must ensure we don't have more drama like four months ago.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

I already knew that. The days where ATT had anyone willing to actually manage examples on a highly subjective trope are far behind it; I wasn't doubting that for a second. It was nice while it lasted, I was proud of the work I did and have no regrets about it, but it's just not the world we live in anymore, regardless of whether or not I think there's good reason for that. This is why people will have to look to TV Tropes and The True Tropes for that rather than All the Tropes or Villains Wiki from now on.

Again, it's not that I'm looking to make an outright enemy out of anyone or get into a fight over four months ago, it's that I honestly think that if I'm welcome back to this Wiki, then Robkelk and I would both benefit if we were to deal with each other as little as humanly possible. That way, any old wounds about what happened months ago is avoided altogether.

I don't expect the hands of time to turn back. I just hope that through TTT, this simple point can be proven; it was never as hard and time consuming as you all made it out to be when you decided you didn't want to deal with an example-filled version of that trope anymore.

I understand. I think Robkelk here is the only one who'll never see eye to eye with me, and that's why I'd rather draw a line in the sand where he's concerned so that I don't step on his toes and that doesn't escalate into anything worse.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

'it's that I honestly think that if I'm welcome back to this Wiki, then Robkelk and I would both benefit if we were to deal with each other as little as humanly possible.'

Agreed. Please take this discussion to some place other than my Talk page.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

You can close this topic and mark it as resolved at any time, y'know.

Carlb (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. And there's no need to apologize; we're all human.

Carlb (talkcontribs)

A question about edit: the sequence of the Great Lakes doesn't look correct. Duluth (Superior) should be at the top and Kingston (Ontario) should be at the bottom. Carlb (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

You're right! Thanks for catching that.

hello! from the Tatis Net.

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Anti Sinistram AZ (talkcontribs)

does this site have a discord?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

No, there's no Discord server officially associated with the wiki.

Anti Sinistram AZ (talkcontribs)

k

I need your help and I want to get better!

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Kuma (talkcontribs)

This has been difficult for me with all of this grammar being wrong in some way. I have tried my best over and over again to get better. I admit I make mistakes but it getting ridiculous to me. I will come straight that I have a form of ASD and that I beseech your help with grammar. I have tried my best to review how I got something wrong. I even have bought a year of Grammarly and used it multiple times on the site yet that isn't good enough. I don't know if it's me, the site, Grammar, different perspective or a combination of things. I want to get better at this and that I managed to make a summary that lacks grammar problems on Epithet Erased while on Marked for Failure, the summary was completely redone. If I may ask you from three examples that you have edited and said that there is a problem with the grammar. Here are the examples:

A man who has devoted most of his life to strengthening his magic and thus dubbed 'The Sage' by others.

Magic Power is something people are born with along with fauna called Magic Beast and Demon Beasts. ( I also noticed how Magic Beast isn't plural.

Magic Power is something people are born with along with fauna called Magic Beast and Demon Beasts.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hi! I spotted two different problems with your phrases.

"A man who has devoted most of his life to strengthening his magic and thus dubbed 'The Sage' by others."

That's a good start for a sentence, but it's only a start - it's a sentence fragment. You've identified who you're talking about but you haven't said what he did.

"Magic Power is something people are born with along with fauna called Magic Beast and Demon Beasts."

That's an ambiguous sentence. You can get away with using it, but somebody might misinterpret it to say that people are born with magic power, magic beasts, and demon beasts.

I hope this helps.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate this and that I can get better with the sight.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Far be it from me to complain about cheesecake, but while removing two blatantly photoshopped images, I noticed a certain lack of "quality control" on some of those pages (i.e. whoever linked some of those has a real funny idea of what constitutes a "monokini"). Any suggestions on how to approach that without coming across as "nannying"?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I think I came up with something: the "examples" that you removed weren't examples of the trope. I've added cleanup tags to both pages reminding people (including the anonymous poster) what the tropes actually are.

Let's see whether that works.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Right on.

Summary by Robkelk

One page was unprotected, and the person who requested the unprotection ended up blocked. Other posts in this thread are the same arguments that have in the past damaged the wiki - let's not go down that road again.

WalrusGuy (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

As I have time, but it isn't a high priority.

In the meantime, you can gain confirmed rights (and be able to edit the CM pages) by editing other pages on this wiki.

WalrusGuy (talkcontribs)

Thanks. BTW I saw that Soto from Ice Age is in the Examples that should not be seen here list for Western Animation, the argument being "His actions don't go beyond standard villainy, and is motivated by revenge for family he'd lost to human hunters." I disagree with this. wanting to eat a baby alive is well above standard villainy, and the fact that he's very abusive to his surviving pack members (going so far as to threaten to cannibalize Diego if he fails to deliver said baby), raises the question of whether he genuinely cared for his pack or just saw their deaths as blows to his ego. With that said I feel he should be removed from the non-examples list.

WalrusGuy (talkcontribs)

In the meantime can you just unlock the Dreamworks page?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Sure... and done.

WalrusGuy (talkcontribs)

How about the Arkhamverse, Marvel Animation and Marvel Films pages?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Oh yeah, this was THAT ban evader/vandal...

Soto is a non-example because of the reasons stated. And I'm a bit disheartened that you'd given her what she wanted with the Dreamworks page without stopping to question this person's identity and true intentions.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Who hurt you, Doc? Who made you so paranoid?

And a difference of opinion is not vandalism.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

THAT ban evader/vandal whose edits that you feel ought to have been tolerated is who hurt me and made me so paranoid, if you must know.

That person wasn't just adding opinions, they were also deleting opinions that didn't agree with their own. They've always been very self-important regarding what they think makes a CM and what doesn't, and unlike me, they don't have any regard to the actual criteria for qualifying an example - they're just pure "my way or the highway" all the time.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Rob, I can confirm Doc is right, they are a ban evader.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Did somebody forget to block the IP address when the user was banned here? I know that's an extra step, but it's only one additional checkbox on the Block User page - folks need to remember to do that when blocking users on All The Tropes.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I do that by default. Most of these morons abuse proxies and VPNs anyway.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

LulzKiller got it before I could.

Thanks for the heads-up.

How do I change the text color on the wiki?

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RabidTanker (talkcontribs)

Because I wanted to say that one of my games lists recolored enemies with an red "R" but I can't find the feature that colors the text.

Derivative (talkcontribs)

Can you link to the example?

RabidTanker (talkcontribs)
Derivative (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I usually brute-force it with HTML and CSS. (div style="color:red")red text(/div) , replacing the parenthesis with angle brackets (less-than and greater-than signs) results in

red text

.

There's probably a more elegant way to do it. EDIT: And LulzKiller knows what the more elegant way is.

RabidTanker (talkcontribs)

Thanks

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the followup edits on that page, and sorry if I made things difficult in trying to correct the other anon's changes.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

No worries - your work here is appreciated by me at least.

Beta Log 86 (talkcontribs)

Say, I'm trying to promote my works but not getting such luck...

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I can't really help you there, other than putting the "other viewpoints are requested" banner at the top of the pages for your works. Asking for other viewpoints requires asking for people to read your works, after all.