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Dear Robkelk, Welcome to All The Tropes!

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-- New user message (talk) 11:18, 26 June 2014 (BST)

Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at User talk:Robkelk/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-31.

Please inform GethN7 that I just sent a message to him.

Ecclytennysmithylove (talkcontribs)

Because I'm in a very sad mood and I'm waiting for his reply.

Reply to "Please inform GethN7 that I just sent a message to him."
Funbreaker (talkcontribs)

Howdy, I noticed in the recent changes that my userpage somehow got put under "User:Retardado". What's up with that, and how did that happen in the first place?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Somebody did a malicious move of your User page. I moved it back and tempbanned the user who did it - but it looks like the user came back with a different account and moved your User page again. The hosts of our wiki banned the second account before I could.

I'm going to put your User page back, and set it so it can't be moved except by an administrator.

Reply to "User name redirect"
2hadow (talkcontribs)

Hi there! I'm 2hadow. I'm interested in anti-vandalism work.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
2hadow (talkcontribs)

Somebody has been vandalizng my user page!

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

That's block-worthy. We only have two rules here, and one of them is "play nice".

The IP address has been blocked for a week.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

What can I do to help?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Right now, you can keep your eyes open for things like what just happened to your talk User page, and let us know if anything similar happens

If any of the other admins know of anything else you can do, I'm sure they'll post here.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

Thanks, but it was my user page that was vandalized, not my talk page. a

2hadow (talkcontribs)

I can help out with fixing grammar, adding refs, expand articles, welcome users, revert any spam, patrol the wiki.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Right - I've fixed that.

Looney Toons has been devoting what might be too much time to fixing the grammar of a particular contributor; I'm sure he'd appreciate the help. I expect Looney Toons will be online tomorrow and can provide details then.

2hadow (talkcontribs)

Okay. Tell him to post me a message on my talk page for me to find out on what he needs help with.

Reply to "Hello"
GethN7 (talkcontribs)
The Barnstar of Diligence
For pledging to fulfill much needed maintenance and cleanup tasks on the wiki and for such a fine start to that end, I award this barnstar to honor your efforts. Geth N7 - 20:47, 30 June 2014 (BST)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thank you! You might notice a few more Category and Laconic pages on the wiki already...

2hadow (talkcontribs)


Reply to "A barnstar for you!"
Experiment2853 (talkcontribs)

Dear Robkelk, hello, this one of your sites new users. Not necessarily to TV Tropes, but to this specific website. I am writing this message in regards to you recently re-adding a few things I deleted off the Pokegirls page, specifically the re-adding of Guilty Pleasure and the question asked at the end of Rape Is Love.

I would like to first off state that my full deleting of Guilty Pleasure was partly out of a misunderstanding of what was written on the Guilty Pleasure page, as it stated no Real Life Examples and that if a person started writing it in a way that sounded like that individual troper was stating it was a Guilty Pleasure to them, then it should be removed and potentially taken to a forum discussion page. I had also gotten some rules for the original TV Tropes and All Tropes Wiki mixed up as the former has changed it to being a "Only If A Character Uses It In-Story" trope. While I will readily admit that my reason for removing the Guilty Pleasure section completely was wrong, I do not agree with it being re-added to the front page with it still sounding like an individual troper giving reasons why they specifically find Pokegirls to be a Guilty Pleasure and I would like to ask for permission to take it to the YMMV page and change the sentence to better fit the general opinion of the fandom, as from my experience most community members of Pokegirls have admitted they enjoy the series regardless of it's ethically questionable elements.

I am a little bit more confused as to why the that one sentence from Rape Is Love ("Heh, so Rape Is Survival? What if someone uses an argument like that on a real life court?") was put back in. It's written like the start to a forum discussion page or a question being asked on an already existing forum discussion page. It does not explain the usage of the trope in regards to Pokégirls and looks like it may start a discussion on a the main page if someone decides to respond. I do understand that things are looser on the All The Tropes Wiki, I am just a little confused as to how exactly this question is relevant to the main page trope Rape Is Love in such a way that it deserves to stay.

I agree that I put forth listening to rules I either misunderstood or misapplied. I'm not here to pick a fight or start up a kerfuffle of any kind. I'm not here to remove any fun elements in the page and I agree that there is more than one way to write one. If you decide that my reasoning is unsound, then I will not make any attempt to remove or change these things from the main page, nor will I press this issue any further. I understand that you are a busy moderator and would prefer to not take up any more of your time than is necessary.

Signed, Experiment2853

Reply to "The Recent Pokegirl edits"
RRabbit43 (talkcontribs)

Can you provide me with auto-protection?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Why would you ask that, might I ask?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It doesn't matter.

First, All The Tropes does not have an "auto-protection" capability.

Second, everyone who contributes to this wiki, from the longest-standing bureaucrat/administrators to the newest members, agrees that their contributions can be "edited mercilessly and redistributed at will" - we remind people of that in the text under every page edit box.

So... no, I can't provide anyone (including myself) with auto-protection.

Reply to "Request"
Summary by Robkelk

Somebody wanted to change a User page that didn't belong to him. Denied.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)

At the top of the page, can you remove the |en|en-5|fr-0, put a slash at the back of the word "babel", and do the same to UserWiki:Robkelk, but this time add the word "User:Robkelk" at the back of the slash? Thanks/Merci.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

All material on my User page is there for a reason.

Why are you editing my User page without my permission, and without consulting me first? You have not gone through even the lax change management process we have here on ATT (i.e., asking first), so I have no idea what you are trying to do here.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
I want you to replace {{babel|en|en-5|fr-0}} with {{/babel}}. Thanks/Merci!
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

No. There is no template named "/babel" on All The Tropes, so doing what you request would break my User page.

I ask you a second time (I will not ask a third time): Why are you editing my User page without my permission, and without consulting me first? This edit that you want made appears to me to be page vandalism.

EDIT: And I see that you have created a page in my User space without my permission. I am deleting that page immediately.

RE_EDIT: And it has been brought to my attention that you edited UserWiki:Robkelk without my permission or knowledge, as well. Official Moderator Warning: STOP EDITING USER PAGES THAT DO NOT BELONG TO YOU.

Davey2010 (talkcontribs)
OK, I will stop editing pages that don't belong to me.
OK, je vais arrêter de modifier les pages qui ne m'appartiennent pas.
De acuerdo, dejaré de editar páginas que no me pertenecen.
OK, deixarei de editar páginas que não pertencem a mim.
Iii (talkcontribs)

Can you email the author about the article of his fanfiction. If you tell the author, he could link the ATT article to his page, giving his fans an easy way to collect tropes. I sadly can't email him myself, because my gmail won't let me mail people outside of my school district. His email is here:

Iii (talkcontribs)

I ment "Monster Girl Saga"

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Sorry, but I don't have time to email every fanfic writer in the world, and it wouldn't be fair for an admin to email only some fanfic writers. This is something that would be best done by people like you - there are plenty of free email services that you can use that aren't gmail.

Reply to "Monster Girl Quest"
DocColress (talkcontribs)

It was done because it was a double of a topic that was already on the page and the comment on it was hidden so I or no one else could even read what it was originally about anyway. It was not done out of malice towards a comment or a disregard for the rules, so please reconsider going overly harsh on me for it.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

If you want me to be start being "overly harsh", just say so. But say it in the main thread, please.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

No, I want you to not be overly harsh.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I am not being overly harsh. I am doing what I can to protect the wiki as a whole.

Do you honestly not understand why I am upset with the actions you have been taking? Do you honestly not understand how those actions affect the entire wiki?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Only because you're suddenly seeing me as a danger to the wiki when I just want the same thing as you do and we can easily compromise on this issue. I'm keeping my word to not delete any comments to Talk pages past that one double entry on the Legend Of Zelda CM Page Talk Page. Just check the Ace Attorney CM Page Talk Page. (I'm not too familiar with the series, so I'm leaving it for someone else to reply to if they wish.)

Not entirely since it's mainly been about one trope rather than the entire wiki.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I see that you don't understand.

Please read All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff, especially Rule #1 and Rule #2. If you do want the same thing that I do, then you want to follow both the spirit and the letter of those rules and all of the other rules on that page.

We agreed to follow those rules when we became admins. If one admin can't be trusted to keep his word, then the other admins fall under suspicion as well. When you break the rules, you put Geth's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put Looney Toons's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put Labster's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put QuestionableSanity's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put LulzKiller's reputation at risk. And possibly of the least importance, when you break the rules, you put my reputation at risk.

And if the admins can't be trusted, what does that say about the wiki? When you break the rules, you put the reputation of the entire wiki at risk. Thus, this is about the entire wiki.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

I have a reputation? XD

Seriously though Doc, I recommend that you chill down and then understand that we're doing this because we don't want to be draconian.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

All anyone needed to do was cover those rules to me the first time I ever broke them. My deleting of comments went on for a while, so if it took this long for anyone to speak up, we quite frankly all deserve two weak suspensions for having done our jobs poorly.

I do understand why you're doing this, but I don't agree with boosting my sentence from one week (which I'd thought was agreed upon) to two weeks because you all completely misinterpreted and are misrepresenting my reasons for deleting a double of a topic in one Talk page. The hidden comment that was there was not the reason I removed it - it wasn't about "deleting evidence" or that sort of thing. If anything, my mistake is that I gave that no thought at all, but that needn't warrant two whole weeks of having my admin rights taken from me. I care about this wiki as much as you guys do, so please just stop seeing me as your enemy? :(

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

If I thought you were an enemy, I would have pushed hard for permanent removal of your admin and posting rights. I didn't do that.

Don't forget that I was the one who suggested dropping the time from two weeks to one week in the first place, because nobody had talked with you about the rules previously. It was only after my suggestion of leniency that you made the topic deletion that looked like you were continuing to ignore the rules - and that's when I withdrew the suggestion of leniency.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Well now you know that I wasn't meaning to ignore the rules because the topic I deleted happening to have a hidden comment had nothing to do with my reasons for deleting it. So shouldn't my time frame of suspension be dropped back to one week?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I can only make suggestions. My suggestion is that you stick it out for the two weeks - it isn't forever.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Yeah, that's the whole rest of the month. April will be my time for a new start.

DocColress (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The main page can only be edited by someone who is logged in - you asked me to set the page that way months ago.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

So how does someone not logged in edit any of the pages?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If I'm understanding your question properly -- I may not be -- we restricted the Complete Monster pages so that only logged-in users could edit them, to minimize the random drive-by spewing. Anonymous users can edit any page on the wiki that isn't specifically denied them, just like logged in users. It's just that the CM pages are denied them.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Oh. Do you think we ought to take a chance at undoing that decision?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Well... you're the guardian at the gate for CM. If you want to take the risk, we'll unrestrict as few or as many pages as you want us to. Come to that, when your temporary demotion ends, you should be able to do the same at your discretion.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Hmm. Maybe we should hold off on the decision until that time comes.

Reply to "The recent deletion"
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Where do we actually say anonymous accounts can't request deletions? I mean, for deleting the content you were justified in that microban, don't get me wrong, but I see nothing wrong with someone putting the delete banner at the top of a page, even if they're anonymous.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Oops. You are correct, and I was wrong.

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