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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I've seen "gay" still used as an umbrella term among lesbians and people of various other sexualities on Twitter - while I'm not inclined to die on this particular hill, I feel like there's a "One True Way"-ism at play here.

On that note, you don't always have to completely undo the entire edit - both of those only bother me slightly, but that's still way more of an issue than the usage of "homosexual" in the article (which again, I'm perfectly happy to leave alone).

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

Is there any way to block someone here? Because frankly, Norm is really getting on my nerves.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Blocks are at a wiki level only, as far as I can tell... and he hasn't done anything that's banworthy yet. You'll just have to learn to ignore him the Usenet way - don't read his posts.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Sadly, we admins don't have that option.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I noticed you deleted the file I was gonna use for the 2015 film's page - that's completely fine, given I got terminally sidetracked midway through trying to work on the page, and I'm only sending this message to explain the late "Thanks" I just gave for it. I'll reupload the image once I've gotten everything else about the page in order and actually saved the edits. o7

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I;ve restored the file - no need to re-upload it.

And, just so one of the other mods doesn't delete it, I'll put it onto the page now.

This is kind of grey

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SmileyB (talkcontribs)

I know images can be a touchy subject but while i can't claim the image (I have read the policy but still a bit grey with what I have here) i want to use as my own. It was made in the 1950s, the artist is dead, and it was made to public service (in schools and such). What's the word on this. Should I alter it a little before uploading as my own? What do I do? I'll send the image and you can be the judge.

I want to use it for the Values Resonance page. https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2017/08-AUG/Superman_American_599fc05023f332.03698933.jpg

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I personally feel like that'd be Fair Use, but don't take my word for it - Rob can likely provide a more definitive answer.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Copyright law in the USA in the mid-20th century has always been a bit of an odd bird - normally, one has to check whether an image fell out of copyright or the copyright was renewed, and if the artist is dead, how long ago did she or he die. But in this case, we have a clue: Superman is in the image, and DC Comics has historically been pretty good about keeping their copyrights. I'd mark this as Fair Use.

I added Anakin Skywalker as a single page but have trouble linking

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SmileyB (talkcontribs)

I added the link bars to Anakin Skywalker but when I try to save it gives me this error message

[e14e8826fb96ea63182cca2a] 2021-01-27 22:49:30: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"

What's up? I save the Anakin page so i hope that's OK. I just need to be able to link things.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

The changes LT made should also indicate how significantly major characters are handled in terms of sub-paging.

SmileyB (talkcontribs)

Thanks for your help. i appreciate it.

I am very OCD about seperating catagories

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SmileyB (talkcontribs)

I was on the star wars character page and it seems cluttered in that it's so long. Is it allowable for me to separate the protagonists, antagonists, and other characters into separate pages by category. Is it also possible to give certain characters their own page because they are so popular and tend to have lots written about them for the sake of simplicity.For example giving Darth Vader his own page and making pages for things like The Sith Order, Jedi Order, and Other force users and beings.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Amazingly enough, I just made a similar proposal to the other moderators two weeks ago - the only reason that I haven't done this yet is a lack of time. Feel free to make subcategories - just please put each category into the parent category.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If I may offer a bit of advice, create your pages and move content into them before deleting anything from the original page. We had someone a year or so back who decided to do something similar for another work, and started by completely blanking the original page and creating a dozen or so blank subpages, then stopping there for a while. We weren't happy with what appeared at the time to be vandalism, and when we finally got it straightened out, it still took the guy literally months to finish the job.

SmileyB (talkcontribs)

I'll start by just organizing the character page. On an aside. I just did it but I keep getting a database error. i save my changes into a word file. Should I send it. It's not saving my changes for review.

Can you do an edit pass?

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Kuma (talkcontribs)

Hello Robkelk, sorry to bother you but I wish to request edit passes the Trope Workshop pages or at least for one of them? Thank you for reading my message and have a delightful day.

Regarding Transcripts

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I know @Looney Toons tends to be fairly stringent regarding copyright, and in any case I'm asking you (and him, hence the tag) just to be sure: What's the Official ATT Stance™ on copying transcripts from other sites such as a dedicated Wikia or tvshowtranscripts.ourboard.org? I wanted to do a few recaps for something else from scratch when the question came to mind.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

We can use anything that's licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution, or specifically put into the public domain. Please be sure to cite your source...

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

But of course. Just making sure to cover my bases is all!

Post moderation - anti-spam measure

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

(Everybody who's affected gets this boilerplate for transparency's sake - even the person sending them out.)

Hello!

You probably already notice the site message at the top of the page. As a result of the Great Miraheze Spam Flood that affected multiple wikis in December 2020, we have instituted moderation of posts. Most people's edits and image uploads will not appear immediately, the way that they would on Wikipedia... but yours will. This is a privilege (given for consistently good edits and being a Troper in good standing), not a right.

This privilege comes with a responsibility: You also have Moderation rights. Whenever somebody makes an edit that requires moderation, it will appear at Special:Moderation until somebody with Moderation rights either approves or rejects it. Please pitch in when there are posts waiting for moderation. I trust that only spam will be rejected. 😀

What constitutes fair use

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Goo Monster (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. That's a carryover from TVTropes, and I'm not completely sure it applies here. I'll bring this up on the moderators' forum (offsite) - I could be wrong about our rules, after all.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

I would also be interested in bringing back the image 'exorcism reversal' as a trope image if that is alright. ( Exorcism reversal is http://www.twogag.com/archives/1241 except the middle panel is missing and making the remaining images be top to bottom instead of left to right). I still have the edited version on my computer.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

It's restored... and I added the licensing information to the page for you.

If it's still an unused file the next time I look at files with names starting with E, it'll be deleted as an unused file - so you have a day or two in order to use it somewhere.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Let's wait until I hear back from the other mods, please.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

I was thinking the "all rights reserved" in the image I linked too bit might be relevant and was hoping you could bring it up at the same time.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I've heard back from other mods. To quote Labster:

TVT was assuming "we didn't know it was copyrighted" was an excuse (it isn't).

We're dropping that clause from our guidelines and replacing it with something that actually conforms to copyright law.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

File:Wingman waiter.png has the all 3 of the panels as the comic page it came from. Is that a breach of "use limited excerpts"?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Good question... I believe that a single strip from an ongoing web comic is an excerpt from the work rather than an entire work, so I'd make a layman's guess and say it's okay. @Looney Toons, you know copyright law at least as well as I do - what do you think?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm no expert, honestly, just well-enough informed to know my own rights as a creator. But I think your argument is valid. The individual strip is certainly copyrighted, but I think "quoting" it in its entirety is safe.